Pick a Room or build yourself?

[inreplyavalon]

Alright fellow maggers help a brother out.

I'm about to get down and dirty with a new space and since i learned most of what i know right here on icmag, its fitting i should start this thread. I have a blank canvas to design and build, and i've come to the limits of my insights. Before i break ground i want to know what you all would choose given these two options. Before I spell out the two best options i have come up with let me mention some things about the space.
(An attached GARAGE that is one 22x16x12 ft room....tall ceiling)
(and a well insulated downstairs room that is 25x15x8 ft room....Shorter ceiling)

My limiting factor is power. Its a home with a 100 amp panel. So more space than i could possibly use given the limited amount of amps. I have a 40amp circuit and a 30 amp circuit dedicated to the grow.

The way i see it is I have two general options

OPTION A:
TWO FLIPPING FLOWER ROOMS in 12ft ceiling'd garage. 6 or 7k worth of double enders in each room, each of them on for 12 hours a day. So a total of 12-14k watts flowering. These rooms would be conditioned using a lung room, sharing air between both flower rooms with a large intake and outtake fan in the lung room. I would not have enough power to use the 2ton Split AC i own.
VEG in the lowered ceiling room with 4k single ended mh1000 on movers.


OPTION B:
FLIP less lights, maybe 4 or 5k in each flower room in the garage, and use the 2 ton AC to cool and condition the lung room, and keep it sealed and run CO2. Veg room could be the same.

A third option would be to use as the flower space the lower ceiling'd room because it is insulated like a room and not a garage. But i dont want to sound too confusing(i'm sure its too late for that!!!).

So help me out and safe me some renovations!

 

[theLumberjack]

im curious what others think.

what are you planning on using for lights? do you already have equiptment that your going to use? what climate are you in? hot out? cold out?

 

[guanito]

Be careful about using out buildings.
They show up real easy on A FLIR gun.
In a garage that size I would do a room within a room.
If you're renting then it probably doesn't pay, but if you own the place I'd construct a couple of flip room in the garage with insulated ceilings - either sheetrock or plywood - instead of two tents for example.

Flip rooms are good because one can be a lung room if you circulate the air between them - for CO2 generation naturally. If you use LED's you can save on the ducting, glass cleaning, fans, etc.

In the house you could probably use tents - and use those the same way.

 

[FunkBomb]

Large tents and have available heat/ac/dehumidfier to keep temperatures and humidity at the right levels.

-Funk

 

[inreplyavalon]

I'd just about givin up on this thread, then i saw some replies. Thanks folks. I've moved along a bit from the initial post.

Lumberjack I am in the hydroponic retail business and so will be cherry picking the equipment. I want to run Double Enders and am still choosing which ones. I do a lot of business with sunlight supply so probably something they sell. Agrotek magnum double enders with glaxy ballasts maybe.

I'm going to do two flipping rooms running 5k watts of double enders in each room. The rooms will be sharing air between the two of them continuously and also sharing air with a lung room continuously. In the lung room will be a 2ton excel Split AC. and a large dehui. I will be building rooms within the garage using drywall and 2x4's. My hope is that the continuos sharing of the air between all three rooms (two flower rooms and a lung room) and the AC and dehui conditioning the air as well, will keep things relatively stable. The hot dry air in the lights on flower room will be mixing with the colder humid air in the dark flower room and causing a nice balance between the two. One can hope!

Any tips or thoughts on the plan?

Thanks!

 

[guanito]

sounds like a good plan.
interested to see the design.

 

[theLumberjack]

yea I agree, sounds like a good plan. This is similar to how my room is except i only have 2 315's in each room

 

[iTarzan]

What climate do you live in? During a cold northeast USA winter I don't think a switch box setup would not be enough heat during a normal winter.

 

[inreplyavalon]

Thanks for the vote of confidence folks.

Tarzan I live in a cold climate and this grow will be in the mountains, but i am sure the heat from a 6k watt grow can cool a dark room. If necessary by turning down the AC it will raise the temp in both the dark and light room because the rooms will be sharing air between the two of them. The dehui will also be adding heat to both rooms. I'm more concerned that my 2 ton AC wont be able to keep up with 6K DE bulbs. If not i'll just run 5K.

I have a 40 amp breaker dedicated to the grow and a 30 amp Drier outlet i will be using. I'm hoping i can run the 6k DE's and the 12.8 amp AC on the 40 amp. That puts the total amperage at 37.8 amps on the 40 amp circuit. More than the recommended 80% but what do you all think?

 

[theLumberjack]

i asked an electrician about this and he said most things are so beefed up and capable at running at above 100% that there is no need to worry about 80%.....but i still try

 

[Granger2]

With what's at stake, I would never recommend exceeding the 80% rule of thumb. Good luck. -granger

 

[dansbuds]

Thanks for the vote of confidence folks.

Tarzan I live in a cold climate and this grow will be in the mountains, but i am sure the heat from a 6k watt grow can cool a dark room. If necessary by turning down the AC it will raise the temp in both the dark and light room because the rooms will be sharing air between the two of them. The dehui will also be adding heat to both rooms. I'm more concerned that my 2 ton AC wont be able to keep up with 6K DE bulbs. If not i'll just run 5K.

I have a 40 amp breaker dedicated to the grow and a 30 amp Drier outlet i will be using. I'm hoping i can run the 6k DE's and the 12.8 amp AC on the 40 amp. That puts the total amperage at 37.8 amps on the 40 amp circuit. More than the recommended 80% but what do you all think?

run the lights off the 40 amp circuit & the rest of your equipment AC included on the 30 amp . put a small subpanel on the 30 amp line so you can split it up & have 110 volts circuits too .

 

[rykus]

I'd run 600's and fresh air and try and plug it and flip between the big rooms, maybe make the basement 22 as well and use the extra for work space ect. 1 run, upgrade services and keep her rollin!

 

[jav2043]

Great plan my only concern would be if a 2 ton could keep up with 5-6 1k DE bulb plus other equipment that produce heat. Not a big difference to upgrade to 3 ton mini split if need be. Good luck.

 

[inreplyavalon]

Its working..

Room #1

Room #2

Various flower shots from the two rooms:

 

[Granger2]

If you're not having power issues, then you done good. Good luck. -granger

 

[inreplyavalon]

well thats all relative certain breakers definitely dont want the shop vac running on them, and there was a little problem when the dryer was running during the flip. plans to swap out dryer for a gas.