Photoperiod and yield with autos

[wh1p3dm34t]

Absolutly no thc is not true. Forget this idea

 

[CharlesU Farley]

Absolutly no thc is not true. Forget this idea

From my understanding, as limited as it may be, autos became a thing with Nevil with a plant he found in Hungary back in the '80s. Pure ruderalis / hemp, by it's very definition, is _very_ low in THC.

So to get a plant to flower without altering its photoperiod, it just doesn't make any sense to me to start with a pistillate or a staminate plant, that produces almost _no_ psychoactive components... unless of course you're outdoors and in the far northern or southern hemispheres and need a quick maturing plant.

 

[wh1p3dm34t]

Ruderalis =/= hemp, and breeding is an art, if we can keep thc under 0.3 % we can raise it as well in any cultivars..

 

[Spaventa]

far north and outdoors.

Bingo. They open up the possibility of outdoor grows in the UK. The questions about indoor help understand how different day length affect outcomes. Outdoor guerilla is what I really have in mind and the only use I might have for autos.

 

[Creeperpark]

Looks like you and I are the only ones that are in the "plants need rest, let's take care of 'em and not overwork 'em, so they'll produce the type of "high" we want to experience" side of things in this thread.

I usually stay out of these auto discussions, because I'm totally ignorant of them and will never understand why people would grow / develop them if they're not in the far north and outdoors.

That being said, with all the talk of efficiency, increasing yields, etc., I still can't understand why you would develop/breed with a hemp type geno, that has absolutely no THC content?????? That _guarantees_ you're going to cut the potential amount of total amount of THC in whatever offspring you develop, versus the potential it would have if you didn't use the auto/hemp.

But what the fuck do I know, I'm just an old dinosaur???? I run 16/8 during veg and 12/12 during flowering. Here's a shot from my tent an hour ago because I just changed the timers to switch to flowering. The plants most assuredly aren't autos but it's difficult for me to believe I could squeeze more "efficiency" or "yield" out of them, and I won't even mention topping, cutting, fimming, etc. :

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Hard to get a pic without my Velcro girl getting in the pic.

Your garden is looking good friend. I love your setup and your best friend. Both look happy.

 

[Rocket Soul]

In one of the bugbee videos he talks about that the plants don't use much of the lights energy at the end of the day. Sounds like that autos react different when they profit from 24h light.
Has anyone tried if f.e. 600w 12/12 yields the same as 300w 24h?

Likely the most relevant answer; same amount of light during different timespan is going to yield the same amount of photosynthesis, roughly. How this converts into buds may vary, also photosynthesis is likely to be somewhat more efficient at lower intensities.

 

[goingrey]

From my understanding, as limited as it may be, autos became a thing with Nevil with a plant he found in Hungary back in the '80s. Pure ruderalis / hemp, by it's very definition, is _very_ low in THC.

Even the Joint Doctor himself isn't 100% on the origins of "Mexican Rudy" that he bred the original Lowryder which started the autoflower craze with but yeah most probably it is from Nevil/The Seedbank. So it was hybridized with a THC strain already when he got it. And that was what like 20 years ago? Since then there has been constant breeding towards higher THC. With autos you can do up to 4 crops a year so theoretically could be up to 80 generations of improvement. It's not like everyone is starting with pure ruderalis, possibly damn near no one is, everyone is building on the work of others.

 

[wh1p3dm34t]

Not 20 much more, ruderalis indica, ruderalis skunk early '90s over 30 years now

 

[Loriented]

Looks like you and I are the only ones that are in the "plants need rest, let's take care of 'em and not overwork 'em, so they'll produce the type of "high" we want to experience" side of things in this thread.

I usually stay out of these auto discussions, because I'm totally ignorant of them and will never understand why people would grow / develop them if they're not in the far north and outdoors.

That being said, with all the talk of efficiency, increasing yields, etc., I still can't understand why you would develop/breed with a hemp type geno, that has absolutely no THC content?????? That _guarantees_ you're going to cut the potential amount of total amount of THC in whatever offspring you develop, versus the potential it would have if you didn't use the auto/hemp.

But what the fuck do I know, I'm just an old dinosaur???? I run 16/8 during veg and 12/12 during flowering. Here's a shot from my tent an hour ago because I just changed the timers to switch to flowering. The plants most assuredly aren't autos but it's difficult for me to believe I could squeeze more "efficiency" or "yield" out of them, and I won't even mention topping, cutting, fimming, etc. :

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Hard to get a pic without my Velcro girl getting in the pic.

Love the Doberman

 

[GreenThumbSucke]

Even the Joint Doctor himself isn't 100% on the origins of "Mexican Rudy" that he bred the original Lowryder which started the autoflower craze with but yeah most probably it is from Nevil/The Seedbank. So it was hybridized with a THC strain already when he got it. And that was what like 20 years ago? Since then there has been constant breeding towards higher THC. With autos you can do up to 4 crops a year so theoretically could be up to 80 generations of improvement. It's not like everyone is starting with pure ruderalis, possibly damn near no one is, everyone is building on the work of others.

I have several varieties of pure ruderalis that I plan on using for breeding stock. Will be breeding with pure landrace strains. My goals are long flowering sativas x ruderalis strains that autoflower but keep budding for 3+ months, and very fast, potent unique autoflowers.

My brother had great luck crossing old school lowryder x long flowering mexican landrace varieties. Started flowering 3 weeks from seed in May and kept flowering all the way into mid September. Nice potency with a huge 6 foot main cola, with 3 foot side colas. Very gorgeous, intriguing crosses.

 

[CannaZen]

Look the only difference between them is that they automatically flower regardless of daylight but some autos flower earlier or take longer than others your arguing about breed and seedlines of autos that's your question. Like how some breeds were bred for outdoors or inside or how it was relatively new 2005 and not very bred for good results because the breeding hadn't been done.

 

[cbotany]

Even the Joint Doctor himself isn't 100% on the origins of "Mexican Rudy" that he bred the original Lowryder which started the autoflower craze with but yeah most probably it is from Nevil/The Seedbank. So it was hybridized with a THC strain already when he got it. And that was what like 20 years ago? Since then there has been constant breeding towards higher THC. With autos you can do up to 4 crops a year so theoretically could be up to 80 generations of improvement. It's not like everyone is starting with pure ruderalis, possibly damn near no one is, everyone is building on the work of others.

I breed with true ruderalis, I think people assume that you're gonna half or beyond your potency, but its weird man, never works out with what you assume it will. Its really fun if you're breeding for yourself

I have several varieties of pure ruderalis that I plan on using for breeding stock. Will be breeding with pure landrace strains. My goals are long flowering sativas x ruderalis strains that autoflower but keep budding for 3+ months, and very fast, potent unique autoflowers.

My brother had great luck crossing old school lowryder x long flowering mexican landrace varieties. Started flowering 3 weeks from seed in May and kept flowering all the way into mid September. Nice potency with a huge 6 foot main cola, with 3 foot side colas. Very gorgeous, intriguing crosses.

Good luck bud, I haven't personally seen similar results, but oddities happen!

From my understanding, as limited as it may be, autos became a thing with Nevil with a plant he found in Hungary back in the '80s. Pure ruderalis / hemp, by it's very definition, is _very_ low in THC.

So to get a plant to flower without altering its photoperiod, it just doesn't make any sense to me to start with a pistillate or a staminate plant, that produces almost _no_ psychoactive components... unless of course you're outdoors and in the far northern or southern hemispheres and need a quick maturing plant.

Some pure ruderalis contains thc, cbd, cbdv, ect ect Siberia/Russia/ North Korea has some oddities, Even some plants growing in harsh indo-tibet regions are "day neutral " and contain weird amounts of active materials...

Sorry guys i know this is off the main topic, but would love to hear more about the comparison of flowering and lights!