Phospholipid agents used by dutch masters

[sweetestsin420]

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[shaggyballs]

dont know where i found this


A good recipe to make a homemade version of something similar to Canna Boost would be like this:

Molasses
Seaweed
Amino Acid powder
Lecithin
Vitamin B1/Riboflavin

 

[shaggyballs]

so is dutchmasters a good brand?who uses it?id like to give their full lineup a try,especially the liquid light in veg under t5s

yes good stuff!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[shaggyballs]

found this
http://www.dirtdoctor.com/newforum/root/foliar-spraying-wetting-agents-t367.html

summary

On the other side of the phospho surfactant idea is lecithin, which is a phospholipid. I can see how it might be a fair candidate, and it would seem to me to be fairly benign. Again, I suppose it could have some issues with salts in the foliar spray solution. There probably is quite a difference between water and the chemistry of a foliar spray solution.

 

[omera1]

How does this relate to Phytic Acid [see that thread in this Cannabis Botany, etc. forum]? Lecithin is an emulsifier used in many foods, and as a food supplement. Lecithin is high in Phospholipids, and very high in 2 B vitamins, Choline and Inositol. I'm considering adding it to my high P-K ACT that I apply in week 3 and 5 or 6 of 12/12. I'll probably put it in the blender with water, which will emulsify it into the water, then add it to the brew.

My question is a good example of the adage that a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing. Thanks. -granger

Supplement Facts
Serving Size: 2 tbsp. (15 g)
Servings per Container: 30

Amount Per Serving% Daily Value
Calories80

Calories from Fat70

Total Fat8 g12%†
Saturated Fat2 g10%†
Total Carbohydrate1 g<1%†
Phosphorus230 mg23%
Potassium180 mg5%
Soya Lecithin15 g*
Linoleic Acid4400 mg*
Phosphatidyl Choline3250 mg*
Phosphatidylethanolamine3000 mg*
Linolenic Acid525 mg*
Choline450 mg*
Phosphatidylinositol350 mg*
Inositol35 mg*
†Percent Daily Values are based on a 2,000 calorie diet.
*Daily value not established.

Promotes formation of acetylcholine in humans
Other Ingredients: Contains: Soy.

didn't find the connection to phytic acid. can you explain this ?

 

[Granger2]

Phytic Acid IP6 is inositol hexaphosphate.
IP6 is known as nature's master mineral chelator.

I'm wondering if lecithin brewed in ACT will yield IP6 or something that the the plants or the microherd in the medium can process into IP6. Phosphatidylinositol is one ingredient in lecithin. I'm sure there are many things in lecithin that are not listed above. -granger

 

[omera1]

ok thaks! so lecithin may combine phytic acid & phospholipids... very interesting

 

[omera1]

ok, phytin and lecithin does exactly the same. from my understanding it helps by uptaking P from soil, makes p directly available for uptake. phytin works a little better than lecithin, but they have the same effect !

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

^cool I will give this a little try

 

[mexcurandero420]

Better use the non-GMO version of lecithin, but hemp seed contains also lecithin.30 g or 1 ounce in 375 ml of water and blend it till it is hemp seed milk with amino acid and lecithin in it.

 

[shaggyballs]

http://www.saveoncitric.com/lecithin.html

 

[omera1]

@shaggyballs: did u applied it to the soil or foilar ? and what ppm ?

<200mg/l could be effective when applied to the soil.
lecithin increased fungal, and phytin bacterial growth.
this could be very interssting in p boosting !

 

[mexcurandero420]

http://www.saveoncitric.com/lecithin.html

To expensive

http://www.iherb.com/Lecithin-Liquid

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[Granger2]

http://www.iherb.com/Now-Foods-Lecithin-Granules-1-lb-454-g/16562

I'll be using granules because I fear high oil content in the liquid. The above is plenty cheap enough, possibly cheaper active ingredients. I've used it for years as a food supplement-smooties, nutirtional drinks, etc. Anyone care to speculate how much to use? Thanks. -granger

 

[omera1]

remember, you cant control ppm with the liquid because you didnt know the exact percentage share of lecithin of the solution !

 

[shaggyballs]

@shaggyballs: did u applied it to the soil or foilar ? and what ppm ?

<200mg/l could be effective when applied to the soil.
lecithin increased fungal, and phytin bacterial growth.
this could be very interssting in p boosting !

Not yet...sounds like it could be a duel purpose additive to foliar.

I was hoping for someone with more experience would chime in.

 

[omera1]

www.agrpaper.com/effects-of-lecithi...g-growth-and-chilling-resistance-in-maize.htm

 

[mexcurandero420]

The growth of plants can be improved by the addition of phospholipids to the substrate on which they are grown or are to be grown. This probably arises from a stimulation of the micro-organisms living in the substrate. The phospholipids are primarily lecithin, lecithin hydrolysate and chemically modified lecithins, generally applied as a dilute aqueous preparation in quantities of 0.5 to 30 g/m2.

http://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/WO1996012685

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[Granger2]

Mexicancurandero,
Thanks for digging this up. To translate to my operation, I would probably use 1-2 Tbl in 4.5 gal, applying 1/2 gal/plant. I will put the lecithin granules in my blender for a few seconds to emulsify it into the water, then add to ACT for processing by microherd. -granger

 

[mexcurandero420]

You're welcome.

Plant growth promotion by 18:0-lyso-phosphatidylethanolamine involves senescence delay

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