Perennial (multi year) Cannabis plants/strains. Anybody any proof?

[@hempy]

I believe my cousin Donald and i believe people i have known a very long time i call friends but i also believe my own eyes.

I am not sure what your argument here is now no one is saying cannabis is a Perennial so we are all in agreement on that.

We all agree cannabis can be re vegged after it has flowered even out doors as plants go by the length of sunlight if they should flower of Veg so i assume that is not the argument.

So whats left to argue about ?.

 

[Donald Mallard]

i strongly disagree that u can keep a plant outdoor using no lights to lengthen , or taking no cuttings , and keep it alive 7 years ,
annuals just dont to that , you are saying its a perennial ,, ie lives longer than 2 years ..



this is not possible without taking cuttings and using lights to lengthen the days ,
it doesnt matter what your cousin says ,if he said he kept on alive 7 years , the same plant outdoor , not using any tech, just naturally , i call bullshit , an annual just will not do that hempy ,
it defies all the laws of being an annual ,
and it is not a perennial , so what are you on about man ??

 

[@hempy]

That is your opinion but if you can do it and extend a cannabis plants life for 2 years as you said you have done why would that change on the 3rd or 4th or even fifth year ?.


Science says it can.

 

[Donald Mallard]

That is your opinion but if you can do it and extend a cannabis plants life for 2 years as you said you have done why would that change on the 3rd or 4th or even fifth year ?.


Science says it can.

no it doesnt , only hempy science says that ,
and no one believes hempy science , its for fools that cant comprehend the difference between an annual and a perennial plant..



Annual plants are plants with a life cycle that lasts only one year. They grow from seed, bloom, produce seeds, and die in one growing season. They then need to be replanted each spring. ... The term "perennial" refers to herbaceous (“green") plants since woody plants, such as trees, are perennial by definition.

 

[Donald Mallard]

now stop please ,
you have no idea what you are on about ,
stop posting in here , its like you are trolling me ,
move along and go and annoy someone else man ..

 

[@hempy]

now stop please ,
you have no idea what you are on about ,
stop posting in here , its like you are trolling me ,
move along and go and annoy someone else man ..

You don't like being wrong do you Donald and your the one trolling me get a Grip.

 

[Donald Mallard]

You don't like being wrong do you Donald and your the one trolling me get a Grip.

nope i was in this thread ,

invited by the op a while back ,, you can check it out ,



and i dont mind being wrong ,
but im not in this debate ..



now please go and annoy someone in another thread ..

and stay away from me man ...

 

[MAHA KALA]

now please go and annoy someone in another thread ..

and stay away from me man ...

slap that bitch haha

 

[Roms]

^^
Ok the cannabis isn't a true woody plant and it is considered as annual and as herbaceous and not perennial. However its lignin levels are important and significant, that's why with good conditions we can reveg a plant outdoor multiple years or make true trees over 3 meters high! So it encourages to think it's not quite a herbaceous otherwise it would be theoretically not possible to reveg it outdoor or make crazy trunks! Well not perennial but also not annual? There is a problem to be solved there! ???

(We have not yet understood everything about cannabis and the heart of the questioning should also especially moves on the "sativa" and the "indica" ancestors with the mankind around i think. Nowadays pure indica or pure sativa are endangered and the modern hybridization completely distorts the deep understanding of their respective properties imho).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woody_plant
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plante_ligneuse

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lignin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lignan

 

[Donald Mallard]

im interested in how long it can live via cuttings also roms ,
what is the oldest cutting in existance , probably 20 + years surely ,
thats a long time for an annual to be around i guess ,



also in the end , what makes them degrade and die , or can the go on for 50 years if fresh healthy cuttings are continually taken and maintained , kept free of disease etc ,



it would be interesting to see how long one plant can go outdoors also planted in the ground and reveged using lights to extend the days and kept warm enough to keep it healthy , will the roots die off ? what will happen after the first season and into the second one , will it loose vigor , do the roots give up and one needs to start a new cutting ??



there certainly are more questions to be answered , well for me anyhow ...



i wonder if one isolated those hybrids you speak of , some where indicas grow ,
some where sativa grows ,(ie tropical zones and places like afghanistan etc) what would they turn out like 20 years later ,
would you end up with the tropical ones looking more sativa through the pressure of selection by the environment , and the other becoming more indica due to the climate they were exposed too ,
since they all started at one point in the same place , i guess its possible the climate\environment will have a big influence on them and changes over 20 years might be quite drastic ... i dunno , but i guess this is how they have ended up becoming so different over time in the first place ... ???

 

[Nexus7]

Perhaps we should be discussing not if but how we can make Cannabis into long-lived perennial variety?

From what I have seen in my relativity short amount of time growing is that Cannabis is an extremely hardy and adaptable plant with a high level of plasticity.

I have no doubt Cannabis could be made into a perennial type (if it hasn't already) or similar if one really wanted.

Personally I would start by getting the right parental stock. An Indica with good frost resistance, a pure tropical Sativa that never seems to want to finish flowering and an auto-flowering variety.

I would then hybridize these and grow them outdoors and force them to stay alive through the winter by use of pruning, greenhouse, supplementary lighting etc.

After keeping these plants alive for a few seasons I would select the plants that seems to be most suitable and make seed with them and grow out the resulting seed in the same manner as the parents. Hopefully through epigenetics (gene silencing) mechanisms the progeny will have some level of adaptability to perennialism.

After doing this for a few generations I would then test out the seed by removing the greenhouse and any supplementary lighting and see if it can adapt to a perennial life cycle.

 

[Roms]

im interested in how long it can live via cuttings also roms ,
what is the oldest cutting in existance , probably 20 + years surely

One that comes to mind the Steve's SPG +20y easy, maybe 30 i don't know? Quasi the same for the Exodus's Cheese Skunk!

thats a long time for an annual to be around i guess ,

i wonder if one isolated those hybrids you speak of , some where indicas grow ,
some where sativa grows ,(ie tropical zones and places like afghanistan etc) what would they turn out like 20 years later ,
would you end up with the tropical ones looking more sativa through the pressure of selection by the environment , and the other becoming more indica due to the climate they were exposed too ,
since they all started at one point in the same place , i guess its possible the climate\environment will have a big influence on them and changes over 20 years might be quite drastic ... i dunno , but i guess this is how they have ended up becoming so different over time in the first place ... ???

First of all the "indica" appeared thanks to acclimatization at very high altitude, (less atmospheric pressure dwarfs plants), this took place in the Hindu Kush probably (?) When, good question, several thousand years maybe? And for this kind of plant and climatic conditions it's totally impossible to maintain dormancy and plant alive from one year to the next, high negative temperature etc. So the indica appeared thanks to the human help imho.

it would be interesting to see how long one plant can go outdoors also planted in the ground and reveged using lights to extend the days and kept warm enough to keep it healthy , will the roots die off ? what will happen after the first season and into the second one , will it loose vigor , do the roots give up and one needs to start a new cutting ??

Ya it's all about pure sativa trees around the equator and tropics to be focus on...

Anyway the grower must be very attentive and located at a good altitude to limit humidity during the rainy season. Using the ramial chipped wood will help the roots system btw... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramial_chipped_wood

Any ideas Donald where to do this kind of experience? For the genetic i can share our Jamaican Lambsbread, a good candidate i imagine.

 

[mexcurandero420]

im interested in how long it can live via cuttings also roms ,
what is the oldest cutting in existance , probably 20 + years surely ,
thats a long time for an annual to be around i guess ,

There is still OHz x Skunk#1 cutting from 30+ years old still alive in Holland.Smokes very nice, after curing a bit incense.

 

[Donald Mallard]

One that comes to mind the Steve's SPG +20y easy, maybe 30 i don't know? Quasi the same for the Exodus's Cheese Skunk!

First of all the "indica" appeared thanks to acclimatization at very high altitude, (less atmospheric pressure dwarfs plants), this took place in the Hindu Kush probably (?) When, good question, several thousand years maybe? And for this kind of plant and climatic conditions it's totally impossible to maintain dormancy and plant alive from one year to the next, high negative temperature etc. So the indica appeared thanks to the human help imho.



Ya it's all about pure sativa trees around the equator and tropics to be focus on...

Anyway the grower must be very attentive and located at a good altitude to limit humidity during the rainy season. Using the ramial chipped wood will help the roots system btw... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramial_chipped_wood

Any ideas Donald where to do this kind of experience? For the genetic i can share our Jamaican Lambsbread, a good candidate i imagine.
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that rcw looks like good mulch , would be nicely aerated and i think your right the roots would benefit greatly from it ,



for the experiment of keeping a plant alive in the ground at a tropical location for several years by altering day hours to reveg her , i agree it would have to be high ground to avoid root rot during the monsoon ,

good draining soil , the side of an extinct volcano would probably be perfect ,


ive gardened on one before , u could hold a running hose into a hole and the hole would never fill up with water ...



i think the only problems on a long term plant in the ground will be the health of the root system and perhaps the stalk/stem ,
they used to go quite gnarly looking for us at our jungle patch ,
and start to look ancient , one wonders how well they would be carrying nutrients etc once they age too much and get really woody and pithy ...

i bet in the hills of jamaica there would be a perfect place for the experiment and it would suit that lambsbread nicely ,
when can you leave rom>?? hahahaha ..

There is still OHz x Skunk#1 cutting from 30+ years old still alive in Holland.Smokes very nice, after curing a bit incense.

id say some of nevils cuts would have some age under their belt by now too mex ,
+30 years is very a very respectable lifetime for a plant that typically only lasts 12 months maximum in nature ...

 

[Roms]

i bet in the hills of jamaica there would be a perfect place for the experiment and it would suit that lambsbread nicely ,
when can you leave rom>?? hahahaha ..

^^ 7764 km from here, and by sailboat transat sweet dreams thx!
Ya jungle mountain spot with water source nearby and idéal exposure.

 

[Donald Mallard]

looks ideal roms ,
and a nice place to hang out with some plants for sure man ....

 

[romanoweed]

.I have only seen seeds or clones that when planted outdoors in S calif in the ground say in Dec grew, started to flower because of the short photoperiod, and then by april-May regenerated veg because of the daylight hours increased
-SamS

@Sams did you ever see a equatorial Strain staying in Flower longer than April/May? I saw it on Instagram . Someone got a Thai to halfway finish Flowering, started in March. Was super low yeald tho.

 

[Donald Mallard]

Perhaps we should be discussing not if but how we can make Cannabis into long-lived perennial variety?

From what I have seen in my relativity short amount of time growing is that Cannabis is an extremely hardy and adaptable plant with a high level of plasticity.

I have no doubt Cannabis could be made into a perennial type (if it hasn't already) or similar if one really wanted.

Personally I would start by getting the right parental stock. An Indica with good frost resistance, a pure tropical Sativa that never seems to want to finish flowering and an auto-flowering variety.

I would then hybridize these and grow them outdoors and force them to stay alive through the winter by use of pruning, greenhouse, supplementary lighting etc.

After keeping these plants alive for a few seasons I would select the plants that seems to be most suitable and make seed with them and grow out the resulting seed in the same manner as the parents. Hopefully through epigenetics (gene silencing) mechanisms the progeny will have some level of adaptability to perennialism.

After doing this for a few generations I would then test out the seed by removing the greenhouse and any supplementary lighting and see if it can adapt to a perennial life cycle.

sounds like a cool and interesting project ,
but i really dont think you are going to change an annual to a perennial doing this ,
but you might get some nice pot out of it nevertheless ,


by taking cuttings and extending the day lengths , we have turned cannabis into a plant that can be grown over and over , when the original plant we took the cutting from would be long dead ,
i think thats as good as it gets , it certainly works for us...

 

[Nexus7]

sounds like a cool and interesting project ,
but i really dont think you are going to change an annual to a perennial doing this ,
but you might get some nice pot out of it nevertheless ,


by taking cuttings and extending the day lengths , we have turned cannabis into a plant that can be grown over and over , when the original plant we took the cutting from would be long dead ,
i think thats as good as it gets , it certainly works for us...

Well it was more a hypothetical project (for others to try) as I don't see a whole lot of benefit in creating a perrenial variety for my needs.

I have pretty mild winters here so am personally more interested in developing a strain to grow over the winter months. So far it's been a successful experiment

Seeds were germinated mid-late May, flowering iniatiated late June and harvest was mid to late August. Yields were low and flowers were airy but suprisingly with a decent level of trichomes and nice aroma.

I left some lowers to see if the plant would survive over the winter. They still look "alive" but don't appear to be growing. It's already warmed up here and equinox is just a few weeks a way so hopefully we'll see some new growth soon

 

[Mimpi Manis]

You said:

Perhaps we should be discussing not if but how we can make Cannabis into long-lived perennial variety? From what I have seen in my relativity short amount of time growing is that Cannabis is an extremely hardy and adaptable plant with a high level of plasticity. I have no doubt Cannabis could be made into a perennial type (if it hasn't already) or similar if one really wanted. Personally I would start by getting the right parental stock. An Indica with good frost resistance, a pure tropical Sativa that never seems to want to finish flowering and an auto-flowering variety. I would then hybridize these and grow them outdoors and force them to stay alive through the winter by use of pruning, greenhouse, supplementary lighting etc. After keeping these plants alive for a few seasons I would select the plants that seems to be most suitable and make seed with them and grow out the resulting seed in the same manner as the parents. Hopefully through epigenetics (gene silencing) mechanisms the progeny will have some level of adaptability to perennialism.

After doing this for a few generations I would then test out the seed by removing the greenhouse and any supplementary lighting and see if it can adapt to a perennial life cycle.

In the mid 70's, we met some Irish and English travellers. We invited them to stay (four in all) in the unused sleepout area of our sharehouse. They had just spent quite a few months in Goa on the West Coast of India. I always remember them recounting the story of a local they visited, who had in his front yard a 'marijuana tree'. They said it was enormous and had 'a trunk like a tree'. The local guy said it had been growing for 'some years'. Given the way the plant looked, they believed him.

Who knows? But like it was said previously; it's a remarkably 'plastic' plant. Anything is possible I suppose? I do remember we were all pretty taken with this story... and insisted they recounted it more than a few times. In case they missed out a few juicy details. Sounded like Nirvana to a bunch of deprived heads in the 70's! Lj.

PS: Down on the beach, apprently it was mostly hash. With some much desired Kerala 'Cobra Grass' arriving in town occasionally. Most of it conveniently available from your friendly hotel host. Thems were the days.