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dubi

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pinpinthc said:
Hi Ace seed and CBG team ! :huggg:

I'm actualy growing a Panama seed and i'm realy fan of your work.
But i'have questions about this seed, my first question is about the tolerance of that seed, is it too low than the OTH ?
Then, what is the pheno which is closest to the original Panama Red of 74' ?
Then abaout my Panama, do you think I could cut the 20/25 October ? (i live in the French south in mountain).
I would take a picture of the trichome in the week end but if you've just an idea with this pics it would be nice.
And for the end, do you think that it's the early of a red pheno or just an oxydation of the pistils ?

Thanks you, pinpin :)

Ps: Sorry for my bad english lvl, i'm french...
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Welcome pinpinthc :)

Sorry for the delay in the reply, i have been quite busy lately with the end of outdoor season, and unfortunately i haven't had all the time i would like to answer in detail your questions.

Your panama doesn't look like a red pheno to me, the red expression is unmistakable when is grown outdoors, yours is a nice resinous green-white pheno, looks like it needs 3-4 weeks more of flowering since your last pics.

Hope you are having a good harvest, best wishes!
 
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Panama flowering naturally in greenhouse at 44 north.

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The greenhouse was attacked by mites this year which took out four other plants. Panama was resistant to them and has shown strong immune response and quick recovery. However now, toward the end, there is little left to eat for the mites so they have all converged on the Panama. Despite this onslaught her bud development has been excellent and chunky and the crystals are coming on powerfully. The smell is wonderful warm lemon oil incense with a dankness that dominates the greenhouse and surrounding area.
 
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chilliwilli said:
Hi folks
i´m growing some dr grinspoon from barneys right now(400w hps) and three reg panama are waiting in veg(taking clones and lill more veg) and 4 malawi fem 2

if males show they will be crossed with both.

this will be my first try on breeding so i have a lot of questions to panama males and don´t know where to beginn

how long till pollen shows normaly and should i use the first pollen or collect the whole lifecycle(will be hard but i think i can manage)?

if more males show what should i look for?
like later flowering males will make later flowering(? and more potent ?) offsprings.

what known dominant traits can i expect from panama in the offspring generation?

thx willi
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Hi willi,

Panama males usually show first pollen after 3-4 weeks of flowering. It doesn't matter whether you use pollen from first sacs or from later ones, as long as the females are pollinated in their right time.

Male selection is a deep topic itself and different breeders have different approach.

Flower all the males till the end in the same conditions, choose the healthiest ones, with bigger flowers, with stronger aromas, try to find resins on the male sacs at the end of flowering, rub stems and flowers to capture smells, avoid hermie plants, etc ... you can select based on growing traits or appearance only when you are VERY familiarized with the line, the true about male selections comes only when you test the offspring.

Panama usually produces hybrids with huge vigour, high yields, very high resin production, great sativa aromas, high potency, moderate flowering times .... other traits (like concrete aromas, pink pistil, etc ....) depend a lot on the panama pheno/s you are using for breeding.
 
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Bear_Riot said:
Panama flowering naturally in greenhouse at 44 north.

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The greenhouse was attacked by mites this year which took out four other plants. Panama was resistant to them and has shown strong immune response and quick recovery. However now, toward the end, there is little left to eat for the mites so they have all converged on the Panama. Despite this onslaught her bud development has been excellent and chunky and the crystals are coming on powerfully. The smell is wonderful warm lemon oil incense with a dankness that dominates the greenhouse and surrounding area.
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Amazing Panama Bear Riot :tiphat: Real nice resinous pheno

I'm glad to see you still keep the genetics in clone form for future grows. The GD plant from the 70s is a beast too. Your greenhouse looks wonderful this year!
 
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shots of the red pheno. this plant was truly a beast from start to finish - very vigorous and shot well above the other two phenos.

the red pheno is pretty heavy to me, and i'm a bit disappointed as i was looking for a lighter, clearer effect. after a couple of sessions, i feel burned out and get that familiar indica body crush. not as bad as a lot of hybrids, but i can't say that panama is too far off at all from 80%-90% sativa dom hybrids. when consumed, the high onset is fairly fast and i feel the sativa, but it disappears fairly quick and i get that heavier, confused/dazed feeling. not very fun.

that's just me tho - everyone is different. i myself can't handle indicas or even sativa dom hybrids at all and they really put me out and in a shitty mood when i smoke/vape them. i was really expecting more from panama, and i'm only able to grow once a year. i guess you really can't expect much from a 9-11 week strain even if it is pure sativa.

the green pheno is better, but still not quite what i'm looking for. i guess to get that really super clean, euphoric, happy effect from those bright, light green fluffy soft buds you need to look to pure hazes or thais. i'm looking towards guatemala next year, because super long flowering strains are out of the question in the midwestern united states. what do you think dubi - is guatemala a big step up from panama and not far off from hazes or thais?

i've had a few nice strains from dealers in the past that i knew had some kind of light, smooth indica mixed in but was still very sativa in effect. happy and very clear. i'm really confused as to how this works if panama is 100% pure sativa, but i've gotten cleaner effects from stuff like bc pink kush that is 60% indica. it looked exactly like this and is prob from the same batch: http://i.imgur.com/6qw8oZ8.jpg

that stuff was super smooth and a bright, light green - very exotic and tropical looking. can anyone point me in the direction of a similar strain, but more sativa (like 80%-90%)? anything that mimics the effects of very long flowering hazes and thais, if it even exists.

something like this http://i.imgur.com/UBJbLVF.jpg

i'll post some shots of the green pheno, and the even more narcotic shorter flowering pheno soon.
 
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i honestly think i'm sensitive/allergic to cbn or cbd (whichever one gives the narcotic effect), or just afghani in general. i guess if i were allergic i'd break out in hives and the like which never happens, but i'm def sensitive to it. by body doesn't like it and rejects it - i can't feel it.

but like i said, i've had strains with indica strains in the past that haven't affected me that way, but they look very different from most weed we see today (even panama). the hard dense darker nuggs seem to irk me, but the soft fluffy bright green ones do me good. apparenlt it's not just all about being 100% sativa (if panama truly is).

but regardless of all of that, panama grew great and was vigorous and easy. i don't blame dubi/ace at all... i guess you win some and you lose some. hopefully i can find something next year that i like.
 
2st4this

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hi warcraft

maybe double jamican is a good choice for you
many plants have a very clean euphoric happy high.
best regards!
 
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CACTUSFLOWER said:
will somebody with more botany knowledge than me tell me if pistils form trichomes, I've heard some say yes some say no, these pistils are definitely looking crystal, maybe just in some strains like panama?
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"I don't know much about biology...", but I do know I have seen trichomes on pistils. In fact, I have a picture of a SAGE x Purple Haze Thai plant with it (Dubi does resin). It is a crummy picture, and some would say it is not good enough to be proof, but I took it, and I know what it is. The camera is at the tip of the faded red pistil, and looking down on it like the pistil could poke you in the eye. It has big resin glands on the very tip, and smaller ones down some of the length:

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Warcraft74 - I recommend Bangi Haze for a strain with not one iota of couch lock. I have a 60s Jamaican ganja (Lambsbread), from the line of one of the DoubleJam parents, that is going into flower next, if my mostly Thai plant ever ripens. I'll give reports on "The Search for Trip Weed" thread.

Hope this helps,

ThaiBliss
 
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warcraft74

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don't get the wrong impression from my review guys. panama is without a doubt a great, and very powerful strain. it's just not clear, and 'happy' like i wanted it to be. it's very strong, and it will rock your head and possibly turn it upside down. it's not so much a couch lock effect as i may have implied, but it puts your ass outta there. it puts your head outta there.
 
bwoyrude

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Hello ,
There is my last bloody panama with unusually strange effect of indica knockout =\
The smell of spices and herbal cough syrup.

 
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