Panama

[Hmong]

Deep Chunk x Panama f1 #5
Panama Red pheno; seeded with F2; harvest @61days

here is #4 @64 days, a Panama dominant pheno.
All others are finished by now, this one still stacking today @ day 75

Now smoking those first buds, I'm really getting the Panama itch again.
Grew my remaining pack of ACE 2014 last year, but only got males^^
Saved the pollen until now and pollinated a Cheese clone with it this week.
Hope to get at least a hand full of beans out of this, to try some Cheese x Panama f1

I encourage you do try more ACE Panama pollen on other stuff, it makes for great hybrids.
Good tool to give stocky Indicas a bigger frame with more vigor & yield + added effect.

 

[dubi]

Harvest day for the Panama. She went 12 weeks on an 11/13 light schedule. I'll get her to the lab for testing in a couple weeks.
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Congrats on her harvest friend Such a beauty, easy to fall in love with her! Eager to learn about the lab results!

 

[dubi]

Like a jungle in there some Panama shots

Hi @Mattbho glad you got so far 2 green females and 2 red expressions already into flowering in late August at your latitude in southern Ontario, Panama usually starts to flower mid August here at 37ºN. Hopefully you got different, interesting expressions of your taste! Please, keep us updated during flowering.

 

[dubi]

I had to do the same thing with mine and harvested earlier than expected because of it. I think it was 2-3 entire colas I dumped to be sure. I might’ve gotten away with cutting off the infected bits but I rather dump some then risk it all. CL

So sorry to hear that I'm checking again your pictures and this pic from your 17th July post already showed botrytis if you take a look in detail. With buds big and dense like a fist, it's very important to make sure the moisture is low, and ventilation and air renovation good enough, especially during second half of flowering. And inspect plants frequently looking for any damage when buds are getting so big.

Hope the smaller-medium sized buds were not affected so you can still enjoy a good harvest.

 

[dubi]

Here she is at around 11 weeks
I had to chop a good sized cola due to early bud rot. Unfortunately some sugar leaves have started to die off within the colas. I will be chopping the whole plant tomorrow and do some autopsy on the buds in the sunlight - my bad guys … I shouldn’t be growing this type of plant this time of year inside with no dehumidifier. It sucks because im running out of smoke more and more lately due to poor conditions and lack on my part. I had to trash a different haze plant at 75 days bloom just a few days ago for the same reason.
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What a pitty you couldn't finish her til the end friend. Your Panama Goddess phenotype was doing great and yielding a lot. Temps were more or less ok, but moisture was too high for a small tent. Such things happen often when growing indoors in small spaces without air con during summer time, even in not so hot countries. Did you keep clones for future grows @chronosync ?

 

[dubi]

phenos #1 #2 #3. they got same feeding but some seems to be more picky. i forgot to write down the switch day, so they are somewhere between weeks 9-11. i think 10.
some of them have hints of strawberry but it's not clear. some have more lemon side and/or hints of some kind of cleaner.

Hi @wutwut that's exactly the range of terpenes for Panama feminized version. Panama can take lots of nutrints, but i think you pushed them too much with the feeding, less is more, meaning i prefer flwoers slightly underfeeded than slightly overfeeded. They look close to harvest in late August. Did you already harvest them ?

 

[dubi]

Wutwut they look nice and chunky! Mine are still babies basking in the sun.

Thanks for choosing Panama for this outdoor season @JonnyWeedSeed and for joinning the thread with a pic of your outdoor Panamas, much appreciated.

 

[dubi]

Deep Chunk x Panama f1 #5
Panama Red pheno; seeded with F2; harvest @61days
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here is #4 @64 days, a Panama dominant pheno.
All others are finished by now, this one still stacking today @ day 75
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Now smoking those first buds, I'm really getting the Panama itch again.
Grew my remaining pack of ACE 2014 last year, but only got males^^
Saved the pollen until now and pollinated a Cheese clone with it this week.
Hope to get at least a hand full of beans out of this, to try some Cheese x Panama f1

I encourage you do try more ACE Panama pollen on other stuff, it makes for great hybrids.
Good tool to give stocky Indicas a bigger frame with more vigor & yield + added effect.
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Lovely Hmong Charlie Garcia released more than a decade ago Panama DC and it was dynamite. If i'm not wrong this is your own cross, glad to see you following his steps, i consider both Panama and Deep Chunk as some of the best sativa and indica strains (respectively) in the world, with the right combination and selection of parent plants the F1 hybrid between both can produce an amazing sativa/indica hybrid.

Female #5 looks to me Deep Chunk dom with that purple color, type of resins and flower structure.
Number #4 is unmistakably Panama dom, quite the opposite to #5.

Cheese x Panama should be fire well done! Please, let us know how the cross turns out once you give it a try.

 

[wutwut]

Hi @wutwut that's exactly the range of terpenes for Panama feminized version. Panama can take lots of nutrints, but i think you pushed them too much with the feeding, less is more, meaning i prefer flwoers slightly underfeeded than slightly overfeeded. They look close to harvest in late August. Did you already harvest them ?

yes, they are harvested and trimmed now. smell is very strong as usual. panama is one of the loudest strain i have grown. i'm very bad at recognizing scents after drying, but curing seems to be good. it's not hay at all.

when i am growing a new pheno, i like to cut half of the plant as about 50/50 clear-cloudy and take rest of the plant as most milky as possible maybe with a few ambers.

today i tried a sample of pnm #1 after two weeks bud break. it made me smile and giggle a bit when i was walking to the gym. good weather made that euphoric feeling even better. it was so nice to take step after step under the sun. and while i was training, i had very nice flow in sets. focus was unreal. but it was very hard to try to not laugh when this first timer woman did try squatting and she did fart loudy like something did really pop out and then everyone changed their voice tone so weird . . i was battling against smile ha ha sorry but it was funny situtation ,, shit happens!

 

[Neiko]

The lab report on the Panama is back. There is a lot going on in that terpene profile. This was the bud that went to the lab.

 

[goingrey]

The lab report on the Panama is back. There is a lot going on in that terpene profile. This was the bud that went to the lab.
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And what is your subjective description of the terpene profile?

 

[Neiko]

And what is your subjective description of the terpene profile?

I'm still analyzing it but right off the bat terpenoline is really high, That explains why I like this cut. Strains that I really like tend to have that as the dominant terpene. I don't know how the shear quantity of terpenes (15) effects things but I bet it's positive. The THC # is in the mid range but I honestly don't care what that # is. It has no bearing on how it effects me. Everyone loves to know the thc % so I test that but it's the terpene profiles I get excited about. Over 2% terps is an A+.

 

[Hmong]

Charlie Garcia released more than a decade ago Panama DC and it was dynamite. If i'm not wrong this is your own cross, glad to see you following his steps

indeed, I ended up making the same cross using my Deep Chunk IBL and your Panama.
It's almost 10 years since I looked at the "Panama D.C." on the CBG website, but I never bought any.
Later they weren't available anymore and I was lucky having the same lines around, made my cross in winter '15/'16
I was especially looking to use the Panama male on the Deep Chunk female, since Charlie's regular version at the time was Panama female x Deep Chunk male and ended up very DC dominant.
He got a much better result with the Fem version, using the Panama reversed on DC.

in his words:

There were 2 relesaes done with this
Fist one used reversed Panama and DC mom but present seeds are opposite in this sense, they are F3 started from DC male and inbred panama females. Some will look like real hashplants, optimum hash yield for easy extractions
Is offered as fem only and limited release
great results Demian as usual!
best
kaiki

This was also my observation after growing the first seeds out in 2017 and comparing them to whatever pics & info I could find at the time.

It seems to me when you get the right combo of DC and sativa the high is really special. It is almost like you can choose to go back and forth from high to stoned almost at will. Plus the DC takes enough edge off the sativa so there is no hint of paranoia.

I am so looking forward to growing some of these out.

Had to go back in time for this one, wasn't easy to find the old thread, 2011 oh boii^^
For the readers who are interested, here is the LINK

I'll catch up on the other talking points later @dubi , first I need to finish the garden for today.

saludos

 

[CaptainLucky]

So sorry to hear that I'm checking again your pictures and this pic from your 17th July post already showed botrytis if you take a look in detail. With buds big and dense like a fist, it's very important to make sure the moisture is low, and ventilation and air renovation good enough, especially during second half of flowering. And inspect plants frequently looking for any damage when buds are getting so big.

Hope the smaller-medium sized buds were not affected so you can still enjoy a good harvest.

I still managed to get 7 quart sized jars of it and I think it’s going to be some grade A bud. Smells amazing . CL

 

[Ras Kali Rasta]

I'm still analyzing it but right off the bat terpenoline is really high, That explains why I like this cut. Strains that I really like tend to have that as the dominant terpene. I don't know how the shear quantity of terpenes (15) effects things but I bet it's positive. The THC # is in the mid range but I honestly don't care what that # is. It has no bearing on how it effects me. Everyone loves to know the thc % so I test that but it's the terpene profiles I get excited about. Over 2% terps is an A+.

That's fantastic! A beautifully balanced profile. Thanks so much for sharing. I've got to get some pure Panama back in my life. I bet that if you asked people to guess the THC % after sampling, almost everyone would guess higher. Potency is about a lot more than the THC number. The terpene potency is off the chart, as usual for you. Are you still running the doc buds nutrient regime?

 

[Hmong]

Female #5 looks to me Deep Chunk dom with that purple color, type of resins and flower structure.
Number #4 is unmistakably Panama dom, quite the opposite to #5.

indeed #5 shows strong Deep Chunk properties, but as you know within your Panama line there is the pungent and more compact "red" or "skunk" pheno, that has this spear bud with very high bud/leaf ratio, that also turns dark at finish. The one that only takes 10 weeks.
This pheno had red stems and veins already in Veg, and progressed colors throughout the grow.
While having the narrowest leaf of them all, excluding clearly visible Sativa blades later on #4
The rest of them had broad leafs, with huge fans (which I had to cut out early)
It ended up the tallest from the ground with the most stretch, to give you a better picture.

So I'm concluding, that the Red genes within the 2 panama males I used on DC moms, make for this kind of structure and quality. The longer flowering "lemon" type Panamas show different in the cross, their most extreme is like pheno #4.

I was trying to point out the Panama element, in terms of added structure.
The Deep Chunk dominance of the buds is just stealing the show^^
It's the first pheno that achieved my breeding goal of adding yield to the DC on an open structure.
The big colas aren't what I'm looking for necessarily, as botrytis is an issue with this cross.

structure @35 days

check those Monkey Balls @day45 !

 

[Neiko]

That's fantastic! A beautifully balanced profile. Thanks so much for sharing. I've got to get some pure Panama back in my life. I bet that if you asked people to guess the THC % after sampling, almost everyone would guess higher. Potency is about a lot more than the THC number. The terpene potency is off the chart, as usual for you. Are you still running the doc buds nutrient regime?

Over the years I've tested a good amount of strains and it seems like all my favorite strains are in that 14-18% range for THC. This Panama definitely "feels" stronger than the THC % would suggest. Yes I'm still using Doc's method, the only variation is I add about 30% cana coco to my soil mix.

 

[dubi]

Thanks a lot @Neiko for sharing your lab results from your Panama Red beauty much appreciated!
Her terpene result is pretty similar to the Panama Goddess terpene analysis posted on our website.
Some very well grown Panama individuals can test over 20 % THC (like the one from @MIGreenman). I agree with you, even those showing similar THC content like yours hit hard like very potent sativa strains over 20 %.

 

[Mattbho]

I've never grown a sativa but these seem to be taking a while to get going . Talked it over with buddy. If it comes down to it. We will wrap 3/4 of kennel in plastic to extend season or worse case ontario move them inside under a 1000w hps and 600w mh .

First is a weird leaf this is same gal that had the half green half yellow leaf .

And ill get some random flower shots today !!

 

[Shua1991]

I've never grown a sativa but these seem to be taking a while to get going . Talked it over with buddy. If it comes down to it. We will wrap 3/4 of kennel in plastic to extend season or worse case ontario move them inside under a 1000w hps and 600w mh .

First is a weird leaf this is same gal that had the half green half yellow leaf .
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And ill get some random flower shots today !!

That leaf pattern is very prominent in old school skunks, the old sativa dominant ones.