Panama

[goingrey]

i have two female and three male Panama growing at the moment. 29 days veg and 31 days since flipping to 12/12.
Two of the males are already finished and the pollen is stored.
The third male is still not starting to open up and looks like it takes a few more days. He just smells different than the other two males. Almost only fruity and just a very little of that typical grass odor. He has less flower, is taller and has longer inter-nodal spacing.

I was wondering if someone ever had such a panama male, that took so long to start flowering?
And if you think it's worth the wait?

Def worth the wait. Unless your plan is to breed towards faster flowering stocky plants.

What's a couple more days after a couple of months? Five plants is about 9995 plants short of enough to maintain all genetic diversity in a line. But it is 25% more than four.

 

[island_organics]

Panama in full bloom

 

[SteamPaddler]

Def worth the wait. Unless your plan is to breed towards faster flowering stocky plants.

What's a couple more days after a couple of months? Five plants is about 9995 plants short of enough to maintain all genetic diversity in a line. But it is 25% more than four.

You're right that is a logical consideration and i will def do that.
So I'm growing Panama for the first time and was wondering if that could be a sign for a specific phenotype or even more sativa-like effects?
Or, considering genetic diversity, could it be he's just slow and will have the same effects as his quicker bros?

 

[goingrey]

You're right that is a logical consideration and i will def do that.
So I'm growing Panama for the first time and was wondering if that could be a sign for a specific phenotype or even more sativa-like effects?
Or, considering genetic diversity, could it be he's just slow and will have the same effects as his quicker bros?

That's a good question. There's definitely differences in the highs between the Panama phenos, red ones being more debilitating than the green ones for example. Not sure about this tall and lanky fella vs the others. Maybe someone else knows...

In general (i.e. for many strains not just Panama), relatively tall and lanky males are kinda normal in my experience. And likewise normal for there to be differences in when they release pollen. Not sure I would read too much into it.

 

[Hmong]

last of my Panama 2014 packs, had 6 seeds left, all germed, so far 5/6 confirmed males^^
these are clones I had to make for flowering setup, as soon I saw all sacks, I trashed all the original mother plants. Last pheno cut is currently sexing, just needs one more day or two, didn't see hairs yet, though 5 months old mother, so I expect balls again...
6 out of 6 males out of my vintage ACE pack, zero girls to receive the pollen, bummer!
gonna collect the mix of all firm ones of course, but this selection is a bit saddening.

they cool males though...

 

[burningfire]

Grow & Smoke report.

Keep in mind that this was grown @ 45N so it may not have grown in the best conditions to produce the best smoke.

I had a few smoke and vape sessions with the panama and I can finally give a good impression of it. I had a phenotype that didn't have any lemon smell in it, it was similar to strawberries, like thick and dark red fruit syrup. There's absolutely no sign of inbreeding in this plant, the vigor is impressive, in a small 1 gallon pot it ended up at around 5', the root system was thick and impressive, It looked like the yield could have been impressive if grown indoors or in another climate, this is definitely a commercially viable plant.

After the cure the smell lost most of its fruity edge, there may be little cherry in the smoke but what resulted was a very dark, oily, woody smell with a slight cooling effect and funky edge. I can smell leather, myrrh and while maybe not fuel, something of the type. There's a roasted tea, chocolate, coffee exhale when vaping. I can smell the terpinolene, there's a parsnip/carrot base that comes off as fine wood.

Effects wise, it's potent, it's debilitating, very heavy in the head, dreamy, happy and relaxing, a drunken buzz. It sounds a lot like the panama red of yore. It's a bit more manageable when you vape but it's one of the dumbest buzz I've had in a long while. I'm not the biggest fan of this type of buzz but I can see the appeal and the quality in that it's not a brain freezing or sleepy buzz. If you have absolutely no responsibilities and time to kill this will set you right. I may give most of it away but I might keep some for special occasions.

 

[Hombre del mont]

double post

 

[Hombre del mont]

@burningfire , May I ask how long it's been curing? Mine took a good 6 months to show its best, but when it did, wow. Everybody who tried it loved it.

 

[burningfire]

@Hombre del mont

Under a month for drying/curing.. it may have a little further to go but it crossed that "uncured" state. That's usually 3 weeks in for most of the stuff I have experience with, it may evolve into something more. I'll try and keep this thread updated then.

What did people comment before and after that 6 months cure?

Again these were freebies I got with an order in 2020, I didn't have much luck germinating my Bangi Haze fem freebies or the Kali China fem so this was basically something to take up the empty room. It's an impressively vigorous plant. I can see someone loving it and I can see the quality but it's really not my bag but I will definitely keep enough to get blasted once in a while, if I could let go and act like a drooling idiot I might enjoy it more. I may use it to assess the CBD plants I grew, to try and gauge the potency of the CBD plants.

 

[goingrey]

@burningfire , May I ask how long it's been curing? Mine took a good 6 months to show its best, but when it did, wow. Everybody who tried it loved it.

Was it pure Panama or a hybrid like Panama Haze?

I don't remember Panama needing a long cure. Or maybe I never let them get to their best.

 

[Hombre del mont]

It was the pure. For me it was good after 1 month but far far better after 6.

I did Panama haze a while back and that took a long time in the jar.

 

[Hombre del mont]

@burningfire , I think you'll much prefer her in 6 moths time.

Most Sativas need more than just a few weeks to develop their high.

 

[Keif Cake]

@Hombre del mont is right, it can take a while, easily 2 months for anything that doesn't have indica genes in it. The Headband x Triangle Kush I recently harvested smokes and tastes wonderful as soon as it's dry enough to light, the buds will still be sticky and leaving parts of them behind on your finger. All the pure sativas I've harvested don't even want to burn good until a couple months have passed, much less give me the high I'm expecting. At 3 weeks I have to constantly relight a joint, like after every hit sometimes.

 

[burningfire]

It burns fine, I don't think you understood my report. It's just very dense in the head and stony but the potency and psychoactivity is there, I'm not sure a longer cure will change that.

 

[Keif Cake]

Ah, it appears I did. It's not unheard of for some sativas to be real stoney until a few months go by and something in cure changes the high.

 

[need4weed]

@burningfire i dont think they are listening. To me, it sounds like you got a green phenotype with the red genotype as the buzz you're describing definitely sounds like the red

 

[burningfire]

@need4weed That is my impression. It's described as dense and that is definitely what it is, it's DENSE but not anemic or cold.. a longer cure may smooth it out a bit but I don't think it will change the nature of the buzz. I pushed it a little and it doesn't get sleepy, it gets spaced out and my head felt like a pinball game, I definitely wasn't getting anything done that evening. I can 100% see someone enjoying this if they set some time aside.

 

[dubi]

Wonderful looking classic Panama Red pheno @island_organics How were her scents in late flowering ?

@SteamPaddler you will alaways find smaller and taller plants in the same strain, some faster flowering, other slower flowering, etc .... there's not an easy and fast answer to your question, since to know which are the best parental plants you need to know well all the phenos of the strain, know which traits do you like and you do't like to have some selection criteria to choose or remove. With the males is even more difficult since you cannot judge directly the quality of her flowers, so you will need to evaluate their offspring, choose males that resemble your favorite females of the strain, reverse the males to check their terpene and cannabinoid profile, resins, flower structure, etc ... as @goingrey correctly pointed out, the difference of effects between Panama phenos has been discussed in this thread in depth many times, being the red expressions much more physical and narcotic, while the green ones much more clean, energetic and motivating.

Ouch @Hmong sorry to hear it, getting 6 males from 6 Panama seeds is pretty rare but you know can happen with regular seeds, hope you still can select a very good male for further projects.

Hi @burningfire sounds like you got a Panama girl leaning to the heavy effects of the red phenos (although you didn't get a pink pistiled pheno it can also happen). Such phenos can be very intoxicating in effects, stoned out with big red eyes and lost into a heavy fog, better don't mix them with alcohol, otherwise it can knock you out heavily. And Panama can be burnt and well appreciated just with a few weeks after harvest, but better cure it for at least 3 months, although the nature of the effects of your pheno most probably won't change much as you commented.

 

[SteamPaddler]

@SteamPaddler you will alaways find smaller and taller plants in the same strain, some faster flowering, other slower flowering, etc .... there's not an easy and fast answer to your question, since to know which are the best parental plants you need to know well all the phenos of the strain, know which traits do you like and you do't like to have some selection criteria to choose or remove. With the males is even more difficult since you cannot judge directly the quality of her flowers, so you will need to evaluate their offspring, choose males that resemble your favorite females of the strain, reverse the males to check their terpene and cannabinoid profile, resins, flower structure, etc ... as @goingrey correctly pointed out, the difference of effects between Panama phenos has been discussed in this thread in depth many times, being the red expressions much more physical and narcotic, while the green ones much more clean, energetic and motivating.

Thanks @dubi for pointing that out. I see now my first idea to observe one single trait and to deduce to the whole plant was to simple. The plant finally started to show pollen at day 33 after flip and i'm still harvesting pollen today. This will be saved until the next run.
In general would you say 33 days is long or did you experience longer?
I see there are lots of things and techniques to learn.
This is my first regular run with two panama regular females. I'll probably post a picture once they're presentable.

 

[OriginalOldboy]

Hi guys!
Here you can see my first Panamas. Once the indica type and a little bit of the red type.
They were harvested after 10 and 13 weeks.
Thanks to ACE for these great genetics!

Best wishes