PANAMA A5 HAZE , NEVILLE'S HAZE,.... 12/12 GROWING

[Cheech87]

So today, she got a bigger pot (15L) with Plagron RoyalMix and was watered well with Voodoo Juice, Tarantula, and Piranha, with a pH of 6.2. I want to repot it again when it has started flowering and the stretch is over, but of course, only if necessary.

 

[Cheech87]

Here she is again, she has grown well for the short time. I have a few fungus gnats and have already ordered predatory mites and nematodes; it's not very bad. Can't stand them. I have the temperatures a bit higher because of the sativas; they are doing too well. I have to wipe them out

My Neville Haze grows very special, very long arms. I have topped them, but I think that was not so good. What do you say?

 

[Cheech87]

Today, I inoculated my plant with nematodes and also introduced predatory mites to combat the few fungus gnats. My plants are thriving without any issues so far. The Panama A5 Haze doesn't have a specific odor yet, while the Neville Haze emits a distinct spicy aroma when you rub the stem.

 

[kro-magnon]

I'm surprised by the leaves shape on those plants with such a high % of sativa in their blood, I know they will change once the flowering will begin but I thought those hybrids would have narrower leaves straight after gemination.
I can't see pre-flowers, is there some sign of flowering or not yet ? The plants have now more than a month, no?
When I do seeds straight in 12/12 I can see the first pre-flowers around day 20/25 but that's with hybrids with much faster flower cycle than the plants you have there of course.
Good luck with run I'm curious to see how big those plants can get with a straight 12/12 light regimen.
When I do my own seeds I like to test them with 12/12 from day 1, it's a good way to test a larger population than a typical veg and flower grow.

 

[Cheech87]

@kro-magnon
Thanks
Yes, that's what I thought, but I only germinated one seed of each, so there are certainly phenos with thinner leaves right from the start.
She is now 1month and 2 days old
The preflowers are not fully developed and no stigmas that show up you can only see that they will come soon.
I believed that she is already slightly in the stretch the Panama a5 Haze
Let's see how it goes.
I plant this variety because I'm looking for the smell of incense

 

[Cheech87]

They have grown well, but now it's getting tight in the tent. They haven't received any fertilizer yet. They are now sexually mature, with the first pre-flowers appearing. I would say that from now on i can count the flowering days. They are under a 12/12 light cycle, but I've now adjusted the light to 11/13.

 

[Cheech87]

I don't think I'll have enough space to keep everything

I've already taken one out today.
But it's going to stay that way now - the adventure is about to start

The fungus gnats are slowly disappearing so the predatory mites are doing their job

 

[Cheech87]

Welcome to my jungle tent 🫣
It's pretty full and there's still no end in sight.
Everything is growing very well for me so far the Panama a5 haze is very strong in terms of health never lets the leaves droop
The neville haze is a bit more sensitive the leaves are slightly curled does anyone have an idea what it could be plant looks very healthy from the color. So I rule out nitrogen overfertilization, could it be that the air flow is too strong because of the fans?

Ph 6.2
Ec 1.2
Temp 24 c°

 

[nick11]

@kro-magnon
Thanks
Yes, that's what I thought, but I only germinated one seed of each, so there are certainly phenos with thinner leaves right from the start.
She is now 1month and 2 days old
The preflowers are not fully developed and no stigmas that show up you can only see that they will come soon.
I believed that she is already slightly in the stretch the Panama a5 Haze
Let's see how it goes.
I plant this variety because I'm looking for the smell of incense

I'm always in constant search of incense smoke. Check out master kush, ssh, and bubba kush they alll leave that lingering incense smell in the air. Alot of hazes will fit the bill but not all of em.

 

[Cheech87]

I'm always in constant search of incense smoke. Check out master kush, ssh, and bubba kush they alll leave that lingering incense smell in the air. Alot of hazes will fit the bill but not all of em.

Me too, but so far I haven't had a chance to find them all through nothing:
Amnesia - Super Strains
Dark phoenix - greenhouse seeds company
Super silver haze - ghsc
Super lemon haze -ghsc
....
But I already have these in the fridge and haven't tried them yet:
Amnesia haze - Soma seeds
Dankincense F2 - connoiseur genetics
Jack black - Sweet seeds
Ghost train haze #1 - raredankness

....
And the list goes on but so far I just haven't had a chance because it says in every variety in the description that it should smell like incense but no luck yet
Thought it was the fertilizer or something else they are all good nothing where you could say that sucks but unfortunately no incense smell am a bit disappointed but maybe it's also because I can only grow 4 plants and because of the small number of plants the chance is also smaller
But I have also discovered other very special smells like the big buddha cheese or hawaiian snow does not smell like incense but also very specific and very strong recognizable unique smell so i found also positive things when looking for ůincense.

When this grow is finished I wanted to try dankincense F2 from Connoiseur genetics

 

[Hmong]

Welcome to my jungle tent

welcome to Sativa growing

does anyone have an idea

the way you present your report/pics, it is really hard to figure out what, is what?
no description etc.
All I can see is green mush, that makes it hard to help.

Sativas have a different metabolism, it's not easy to hit the correct watering, as they drink more than they eat.
Don't worry too much about health, those plants will never look as healthy again as now.
just keep your feeding constant, no experiments with EC later in flowering, just boring every time the same.
Don't worry about nitrogen at this stage, they need it all during stretch.
You say you don't feed, so nothing to worry, just let it grow

PS: fans should blow at lights, not at plants

 

[Cheech87]

@Hmong

Would like to take better photos but no space in the room it is a storage room when I stand inside I can just open the tent and stand there 🫣
I could take it out but then everything would stink and the neighbors would immediately start complaining again.

Thanks for your answer, I'm still quite unsure and a beginner with the sativas, so I'll change the fans and always thought that would strengthen the plants and produce thicker stems.
I wanted to repot them again in 2 weeks and then do nothing more and if I do I will check the ec and then fertilize on the ec of the soil that was in the bag
Apart from a little encyme and root stimulants, I'm not giving it anything at the moment.

 

[Hmong]

it's less about pics, as it is about presentation for the reader.
you can just add description after upload, so people understand what they are actually looking at. When I can read the yellow tags on a photo its easy, but if I can't see them it becomes confusing.
Just a tip, as I see this in 90% of new grow reports.

always thought that would strengthen the plants and produce thicker stems.

blowing at your plants directly, just causes more water evaporation for no effect, like a hair dryer.

there is a lot of Bro science in growing
people just repeating things to others

thicker stems for what anyway?
you are indoors, with lights from above and a net for support.
potted plants will always need support in late flowering, the hanging over is not good.

I seen people before with plants thin as pencils, unable to support their pathetic weight, just laying sideways on the soil and the fans on full speed.

Also telling me it's necessary for the thicc stems and that I know nothing, when being asked for advice on how to perform better?
can't make this shit up.

I wanted to repot them again in 2 weeks and then do nothing more and if I do I will check the ec and then fertilize on the ec of the soil that was in the bag

like I said, you wanna prevent excess nitrogen during later flowering.

transplanting will make a lot of new nutrients available at once, therefore you don't wanna make the mistake of transplanting into a "hotter" soil, meaning higher EC.

try to transplant only into a Light Mix during flowering, or else you will end up with very green plants that never seem to finish.

this is pure Sativa specific, applying to everything that flowers longer than 14 weeks.
It's a marathon flowering, not a sprint like Indica.
Things are changing slow, you need a lot of patience. Once it feels boring, you are doing great!

In your case the 15L pots are well enough! No need for transplant, your girls are small (no offense)
During flowering you can just fill up the rim with fresh soil, once the medium starts to sit down.

Much more important that you cut out all the leaf and branches, that are under the canopy and don't get any light.

 

[Cheech87]

@Hmong

Okay thanks
I will test your advice no matter what and do everything as you have explained.
What you explained to me with the ventilation also sounds logical.

And you have a lot of experience with sativas.
I have seen your albums now I can only learn from you you have already grown many varieties of this kind so I will gratefully take your advice🫡

I got my knowledge from books and then I tried to implement it, which mostly went well because then you have a few points that you can always fall back on, the basics and the rest came with time.
But as with everything you can always do it a little better and learn from other people in the end everyone takes their style.

I always remain open to learning new things that's why I like to be in this forum because you see a lot and what came out with.

I'm just new to the sativas and have to find my style so I'm grateful for every well-intentioned tip.

 

[Hmong]

I got my knowledge from books and then I tried to implement it, which mostly went well because then you have a few points that you can always fall back on, the basics and the rest came with time.

We all started from books, but today most literature is 20 years old and often they make these general statements, like circulation fans for thick stems.
The wind is important, but they never go into detail on how to actually set everything up the right way.
Most books only showing drawings or black/white fotos, which often need a lot of imagination to make sense^^

As you say, the real experience comes with time, so after 10 years of doing this I'm just sharing what I've learned.

for example: sticky traps, how are you liking them in the soil so far? sucks, right?

I don't do this anymore, I fight gnats by cutting out all undergrowth.
You don't want it constantly dark and moist down there, they thrive in that environment.
Lollipop will allow for real circulation through your canopy, fans blowing over it between lamp and plants, creating a vortex.

If you feel like it, you can later fix the sticky traps to the plants. They come with a wire, just use that to hang em around the main stem, about a hand above the soil, so they never get wet.
Gives you easy access with the ewer and you can always press the soil, without having them stick to everything.

personally I just hang em high around the lamps as an indicator, they stay mostly fresh only single insects over time. As long as this doesn't change, I know I'm save.

 

[Cheech87]

@Hmong

Exactly, they've been annoying me a few times, I've stuck to them or got full of soil again, so I tried the predatory mites and nematodes, which were very effective, as you said, the sticky traps are better only as an indicator, I've never actually had any problems with pests in this place where I now live, but only the fungus gnats, but I still think they came into the house with the soil

It's also true about the books, I wanted to buy new ones but they only say the same thing but written differently and mostly nothing about sativas

But today I moved the fans and cut away a few stems at the bottom, not too much, just the small stunted stems.

 

[Cheech87]

The Panama A5 Haze is now clearly in the flowering stage. It has grown very robustly, and I have only removed a few of the lower branches and leaves.

 

[ScythianGold]

Looking good, keep up the good work. Growing near pure or pure sativas indoors is a challenge. Make sure they don't get too rootbound if you can is my advice. Can't wait to see the flower pics.

 

[Cheech87]

The Neville's Haze has also started flowering. I am now curious to see how it will continue to develop, including the smell and structure of the buds. This variety has many phenotypes in terms of flower structure, as I have seen in various grow diaries so far.

 

[Cheech87]

My Panama a5 Haze is growing well, but again I have the problem that it turns yellow from below at the beginning of flowering as with my last grow with ka5h. The smell is this time in the direction of incense very sweet and not earthy I'm curious how it goes on with her but I think she will cause me problems again but well, I still have to practice with these varieties but I'm doing something fundamental wrong in my opinion.
Could it be that the soil is ok for growth but too heavily fertilized for flowering because everything goes well up to 3 to 4 weeks and then it starts to act up?
I fertilized my last grow in this phase and it only got worse.
And I'd rather do nothing than make more mistakes.

pH: 6.2
Tap water: EC 0.4
Temperature: 27 °C