dang good idea with the ppm's, would need to tally base 70 ppm into it, correct? I may have pin pointed the problem. Almost 2 embarassing. My back has been out and being a OMMP co-op grow I had one of the other growers fill in. OPS! When I watered today I noticed that the "A" bottle was less than the "B" bottle. No one is fessing up and I wish they would so to ease my mind but could be that between that and dry coco sent ppm thru the foof. F.tards anyway. Just my guess though...
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dang good idea with the ppm's, would need to tally base 70 ppm into it, correct? I may have pin pointed the problem. Almost 2 embarassing. My back has been out and being a OMMP co-op grow I had one of the other growers fill in. OPS! When I watered today I noticed that the "A" bottle was less than the "B" bottle. No one is fessing up and I wish they would so to ease my mind but could be that between that and dry coco sent ppm thru the foof. F.tards anyway. Just my guess though...
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EvilTwin
tip,
Always happens when someone else tends the garden. They aren't invested in it like you are.
On the run-off thing...yes you'll have to factor in ppm of the water your using...or better go to the store and buy a gallon of distilled.
Plants should recover fast...gonna give water for a few days though? I would.
Peace,
ET
Always happens when someone else tends the garden. They aren't invested in it like you are.
On the run-off thing...yes you'll have to factor in ppm of the water your using...or better go to the store and buy a gallon of distilled.
Plants should recover fast...gonna give water for a few days though? I would.
Peace,
ET
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Guest 18340
I find it hard to believe that all that damage is the result of missing one watering. You missed just 1 single watering?
Anyway...
You cannot over water coco. Coco will only hold X amount of water, no more. As long as you have proper drainage then the coco will be as wet as it'll ever get. Soil will turn to mud if you watered it like coco. And you would drown your roots.
What happens is people put small cuttings in a larger pot of coco and water it everyday. The roots need to grow down into the coco. To do that, you let the coco dry out a little in between waterings for a week or so. You'd be surprised how fast roots grow when the plant is looking for water.
Once roots are fully developed you can water to 100% runoff (I have done it MANY TIMES) and the plant stands tall and grows like, well, a weed.
So...PharmaCan and Citizen024 are right.
Now, since i use diferent nutes than you (I use GH flora series, lucas formula) the advise I'm gonna give you is GENERAL, but should work for you.
First, don't miss anymore waterings. I had a similar problem when I let my coco get too dry one too many times; I started getting crazy nute burns. Come to find out the salt built up quickly because the evaped water left behind alot of salt. Guys who let the GH grow drip, and dry, around the mouth of the bottle will see the salt after it dries up. Same shit happens in coco. You can water without runoff (check out Whodi's thread, thatmna has it dialed in!) but always keep the coco moist (unless they're seedlings, then you want the coco to dry out SLIGHTLY in between waterings until the roots grow down into the pot) and bring your ph up to 6.3-6.5. What that does is make more cal/mag (which should already be in the nutes you use) available to the plant.
I use the lucas formula in r/o water and once I brought my ph up to 6.3, any cal/mag defs went away.
Here's a pic I snapped just for you,
Schnazzleberry#2, Lucas veg formula (5ml/micro, 10ml/bloom) r/o water, watering to runoff everyday...Peace, Evl
Anyway...
You cannot over water coco. Coco will only hold X amount of water, no more. As long as you have proper drainage then the coco will be as wet as it'll ever get. Soil will turn to mud if you watered it like coco. And you would drown your roots.
What happens is people put small cuttings in a larger pot of coco and water it everyday. The roots need to grow down into the coco. To do that, you let the coco dry out a little in between waterings for a week or so. You'd be surprised how fast roots grow when the plant is looking for water.
Once roots are fully developed you can water to 100% runoff (I have done it MANY TIMES) and the plant stands tall and grows like, well, a weed.
So...PharmaCan and Citizen024 are right.
Now, since i use diferent nutes than you (I use GH flora series, lucas formula) the advise I'm gonna give you is GENERAL, but should work for you.
First, don't miss anymore waterings. I had a similar problem when I let my coco get too dry one too many times; I started getting crazy nute burns. Come to find out the salt built up quickly because the evaped water left behind alot of salt. Guys who let the GH grow drip, and dry, around the mouth of the bottle will see the salt after it dries up. Same shit happens in coco. You can water without runoff (check out Whodi's thread, thatmna has it dialed in!) but always keep the coco moist (unless they're seedlings, then you want the coco to dry out SLIGHTLY in between waterings until the roots grow down into the pot) and bring your ph up to 6.3-6.5. What that does is make more cal/mag (which should already be in the nutes you use) available to the plant.
I use the lucas formula in r/o water and once I brought my ph up to 6.3, any cal/mag defs went away.
Here's a pic I snapped just for you,
Schnazzleberry#2, Lucas veg formula (5ml/micro, 10ml/bloom) r/o water, watering to runoff everyday...Peace, Evl
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Guest 18340
Take a 1 gallon pot and fill it with soil, pour 5 gallons of water thru it. Now reach in and grab a handful, you got a mess of mud in your hand. Squeeze it. No water comes out. Mud squishes thru your fingers.
THAT is over watered soil.
Same scenario, only use coco instead of soil. Squeeze. Whats that? Water came out? Hmm. Open your hand. Nice ball of coco you got now. Put your ear close to it. Sound familiar? Like rice crispy's. Thats the sound of the coco expanding.
Put the coco back in the pot. Now pour 100 gallons of water thru it. Go ahead and grab another fist full and squeeze. Now open your hand. Amazing how that coco ball expands right before your eyes.
Now, tell me again how you can over water coco and I'll keep making silly analogy's to point out that coco will only hold an X amount of water, no more. As long as you have proper drainage, you're good to go.
Soil can be over watered. It can be broken down by water to the point where you cant even catch any soil with a strainer.
Still don't believe me huh? Take a 5 gallon pail, no drain holes. Scoop a beer cup of dirt into it and pour in 4 gallons of water. Mix it real nice. Now, go get a strainer from the kitchen. (Tell your wife you'll buy her another one) Go ahead and try and scoop out some dirt with the strainer. Whats that? All you're getting is perlite?
Ok, same scenario, only dump in a cup of coco. Now, scoop it out. Yeah, theirs a lot of pieces in there so you'll be awhile. Bring a spliff with you. Eventually you get every piece out.
Now, tell me how you can over water coco?
THAT is over watered soil.
Same scenario, only use coco instead of soil. Squeeze. Whats that? Water came out? Hmm. Open your hand. Nice ball of coco you got now. Put your ear close to it. Sound familiar? Like rice crispy's. Thats the sound of the coco expanding.
Put the coco back in the pot. Now pour 100 gallons of water thru it. Go ahead and grab another fist full and squeeze. Now open your hand. Amazing how that coco ball expands right before your eyes.
Now, tell me again how you can over water coco and I'll keep making silly analogy's to point out that coco will only hold an X amount of water, no more. As long as you have proper drainage, you're good to go.
Soil can be over watered. It can be broken down by water to the point where you cant even catch any soil with a strainer.
Still don't believe me huh? Take a 5 gallon pail, no drain holes. Scoop a beer cup of dirt into it and pour in 4 gallons of water. Mix it real nice. Now, go get a strainer from the kitchen. (Tell your wife you'll buy her another one) Go ahead and try and scoop out some dirt with the strainer. Whats that? All you're getting is perlite?
Ok, same scenario, only dump in a cup of coco. Now, scoop it out. Yeah, theirs a lot of pieces in there so you'll be awhile. Bring a spliff with you. Eventually you get every piece out.
Now, tell me how you can over water coco?
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Guest 18340
The above is not directed at ANYONE, it's a silly scenario meant to try and bring some understanding of what over watering is.
Just think of coco as if it were a sponge.
Just think of coco as if it were a sponge.
medicine_man_bc
Member
i forgat to mention that using a "coco" nute like canna coco or monkey juice for example helps to avoid any issues before they happen. when i do use it, i treat the feedings like dirt though, i like giving proper wet/dry cycles, keep the ladies a little hungry, rather then too much, good luck
thoughtcollapse
Member
Doesn't this suggest that there are certain conditions in which coco could be overwatered?
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Guest 18340
Can you over water water? Guys in DWC slightly decrease water levels to encourage the roots to grow down. (Meaning a small air gap between the water and the lid, exposing some roots).
In coco, you let it dry out SLIGHTLY in encourage root growth.
The term "over water" is being used way too much in regards to coco and it's causing coco novices to treat it like soil, which just causes more problems.
Citizen024
Member
Dude, drop the over watering . . he missed a cycle. It's not overwatering. And all this is just basic coco info. Go to coco forum for your 411 and if you want to debate the topic (and you will probably get ripped on again for the same reasons). Over watering is NOT his problem quiet clearly and has been ruled out; it has no place being discussed as a solution to his problems.
Can I be anymore blunt? I don't want to be rude, but your not getting it. Yes the conditions that over drench a plant in coco exist, yet only a retard would do it. Constant watering, or hitting it like every 5 minutes or something dumb like that might keep it so wet your plants get a unhappy- but thats not cause it would hold too much water, but simply would not allow enough air in cause it is always getting soaked. Like an ebb and flow tray that never drains out. But short of that- no, not gonna happen in a million years. Once, twice, five times a day- your FINE!!!
Get it yet?
Can I be anymore blunt? I don't want to be rude, but your not getting it. Yes the conditions that over drench a plant in coco exist, yet only a retard would do it. Constant watering, or hitting it like every 5 minutes or something dumb like that might keep it so wet your plants get a unhappy- but thats not cause it would hold too much water, but simply would not allow enough air in cause it is always getting soaked. Like an ebb and flow tray that never drains out. But short of that- no, not gonna happen in a million years. Once, twice, five times a day- your FINE!!!
Get it yet?
thoughtcollapse
Member
Actually, citizen, you should read more carefully. evlme2 basically contradicts himself which suggests to me that coco can be overwatered. I have dropped the possibility of this guy overwatering his plants, but I haven't dropped the fact that it is possible to overwater coco. You say that only "retards" would be the only ones to do something like drenching a plant every five minutes, but there are plenty of cases that are just as comparable to people doing just that. Can I be anymore blunt? I don't want to be rude, but your just not getting it. 
And btw, how much water soil/coco can hold isn't what I'm getting at. I'm talking about the amount of times something is watered, not how much water it can hold.
And btw, how much water soil/coco can hold isn't what I'm getting at. I'm talking about the amount of times something is watered, not how much water it can hold.
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Guest 18340
Actually, citizen, you should read more carefully. evlme2 basically contradicts himself which suggests to me that coco can be overwatered. I have dropped the possibility of this guy overwatering his plants, but I haven't dropped the fact that it is possible to overwater coco. You say that only "retards" would be the only ones to do something like drenching a plant every five minutes, but there are plenty of cases that are just as comparable to people doing just that. Can I be anymore blunt? I don't want to be rude, but your just not getting it.
And btw, how much water soil/coco can hold isn't what I'm getting at. I'm talking about the amount of times something is watered, not how much water it can hold.
I don't contradict myself bro. You can water coco 10x a day or once. What water the coco can/will hold is what it is, no more. The rest comes right out.
You have guys in the coco forum that water 3x a day, no problem. Others flood/drain several times a day. (BTW, the fact that guys are using coco in flood/drain systems should give you a clue. Try that with soil, you'll quickly learn what over watering really means.)
Instead of calling me out and saying I contradict myself you should try spending some time growing in/understand coco.
Put up your pics bro, I did. And that plant gets watered to runoff EVERYDAY when the lights come on whether the coco is dry or not. I have thousand of pics I can put up for you if you'd like.
I'm not here to debate you. You asked a question, I offered my explanation. Take it or leave it.
The man has a problem with his plants and we're all trying to help him. What are you doing?
Citizen024
Member
Difference in terms: too FREQUENT or lengthy duration watering. And OVERWATERING- as in too wet; holding too much moisture. Too much/often versus oversaturated.
Does that make it clear?
Yes it can be too frequently watered, but that leads to a oxygen problem more then a water problem- and you have to be watering it lots to produce that effect. Once coco is rooted into well, it take frequent watering.
In soil it can be too wet and oversaturated. Coco will NOT over saturate now matter how much water you pour through it. Soil will. And both of them if you water too frequently can have problems- but soil you allow to dry out much more before watering again then you do with coco. Allowing much drying in coco will cause salt problems.
This guy didn't have an overwatering issue- you Thoughtcollapse tried to say that his pics and problem where coco overwatering way back up in the threadr. Thats not it, that has been clearly shown. Then your shifting for some reason all into this over watering thing and trying to support yourself by saying that coco can be overwatered. Just let it go man; it's not even pertaining to the topic here. I know I have better use of my time, so this is the last response I give this thread.
I have coco running just fine, I am not the one with errors to fix- I was trying to help someone else out who isn't there yet.
Debating with you aint helping him none. Go to the coco forum and start a thread there if it matters so much to you.
Does that make it clear?
Yes it can be too frequently watered, but that leads to a oxygen problem more then a water problem- and you have to be watering it lots to produce that effect. Once coco is rooted into well, it take frequent watering.
In soil it can be too wet and oversaturated. Coco will NOT over saturate now matter how much water you pour through it. Soil will. And both of them if you water too frequently can have problems- but soil you allow to dry out much more before watering again then you do with coco. Allowing much drying in coco will cause salt problems.
This guy didn't have an overwatering issue- you Thoughtcollapse tried to say that his pics and problem where coco overwatering way back up in the threadr. Thats not it, that has been clearly shown. Then your shifting for some reason all into this over watering thing and trying to support yourself by saying that coco can be overwatered. Just let it go man; it's not even pertaining to the topic here. I know I have better use of my time, so this is the last response I give this thread.
I have coco running just fine, I am not the one with errors to fix- I was trying to help someone else out who isn't there yet.
Debating with you aint helping him none. Go to the coco forum and start a thread there if it matters so much to you.
thoughtcollapse
Member
haha.
