so no one has any comments on the use of peat-moss?
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I do pazVerdeRadical. I missed your post somehow, i had to go back and read it.
Thats probably true and very disconcerting. I don't really want to contribute to the abuse and exploitation of our enviroment anymore than necessary. Are we damaging peat bogs? Is there an alternative product you are using? I use it as an aerator and conditioner only because of its texture and the openess it brings to soil.
Thats probably true and very disconcerting. I don't really want to contribute to the abuse and exploitation of our enviroment anymore than necessary. Are we damaging peat bogs? Is there an alternative product you are using? I use it as an aerator and conditioner only because of its texture and the openess it brings to soil.
here is mine...
2 bags promix
1 bag perlite
1 bag organic compost
2 bags coco coir black gold
16 cups bone meal
8 cups blood meal
8 cups kelp meal
6 cups dolmite lime
2.5 cups epsom salt
The Bat, and seabird guano are for topdressing about a week into flower.
use some baracade on the top of each filled pot.
2 bags promix
1 bag perlite
1 bag organic compost
2 bags coco coir black gold
16 cups bone meal
8 cups blood meal
8 cups kelp meal
6 cups dolmite lime
2.5 cups epsom salt
The Bat, and seabird guano are for topdressing about a week into flower.
use some baracade on the top of each filled pot.
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Cool SIlver,and your info is good.....
Peatmoss is JUST FINE sorry,all you do is mix in soil
a little lime and BOOM plants grow fine if enuff soil added!
Now on with the NUTE TEKS,and yes chem ferts are ok too!
Well said used in the first 60 days is fine......then just water!!
keep it going,im just a simple man.....
Peatmoss is JUST FINE sorry,all you do is mix in soil
a little lime and BOOM plants grow fine if enuff soil added!
Now on with the NUTE TEKS,and yes chem ferts are ok too!
Well said used in the first 60 days is fine......then just water!!
keep it going,im just a simple man.....
Lou, hello man, the problem about peat-moss is not that it is not a good soil additive, because it is fine as you said, no problem there. the issue is that peat-moss is harvested from naturally-occuring "peat-moss pastures" , for lack of a better term, and so people harvest a chunk in less than a week that took over one-thousand years to grow! think about it and tell me if we really need to use peat-moss to grow good herb? we don't need it, let the pretty little peat-moss be 
:wink:
silverback, thank you for responding, i have no good answer for you really, i have never used peat-moss so i don't know what would it replace it with, perhaps vermiculite?
much peace
:wink:silverback, thank you for responding, i have no good answer for you really, i have never used peat-moss so i don't know what would it replace it with, perhaps vermiculite?
much peace
hello Ganico, you seem to be right, wiki says:
"In horticulture, coir is recommended as substitute for peat because it is free of bacteria and fungal spores, and is sustainably produced without the environmental damage caused by peat mining." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coir#Uses
be well,
peace
"In horticulture, coir is recommended as substitute for peat because it is free of bacteria and fungal spores, and is sustainably produced without the environmental damage caused by peat mining." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coir#Uses
be well,
peace
BigWillyDee
Member
alot of gardening websites suggest a simple mix of:
33% top soil
33% compost
33% course sand
that's it....i'm going to give it a shot on a couple of my plants and see what happens.....i like the idea of using local products.....and not using peat,perlite,vermiculite, etc.....so we'll see
i just got a couple of goats so by next year i should have plenty of composted goat manure to use.... maybe i'll even get a few rabbits by then but....
33% top soil
33% compost
33% course sand
that's it....i'm going to give it a shot on a couple of my plants and see what happens.....i like the idea of using local products.....and not using peat,perlite,vermiculite, etc.....so we'll see
i just got a couple of goats so by next year i should have plenty of composted goat manure to use.... maybe i'll even get a few rabbits by then but....
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BigWillyDee
Member
well its been quite some time but i have been using the above mix outdoors for a few years now and works great and is very simple...i never fertilize but my compost is home made and (in my opinion) very rich in nutes...so after planting in this mix all i do is topdress compost once a month... i also have some homemade kelp liquid concoction i foilar spray every now and then...works great for micros and i honestly believe works to keep bugs down as well....
but the important thing here is all this is free and local....
I like Pro Mix BX mixed with Espoma's Biotone + for my mix
To this I'll add whatever else I have on-hand. Usually perlite (I try to make sure the mix is at least 30% perlite), a hand full of water polymers, bokashi, organic brown rice, and time-release mycorrhizae. I'll sprinkle a circle of Alfalfa meal around my pots' perimeters to feed the microbe army that will start to suck N from my plants if I leave them hungry. On top of this goes a thing layer of compost/perlite followed by composted bark mulch as my top dressing. I'll work the mulch into my top layer as best I can since this promotes bacterial growth, while leaving it on top of my mix will increase fungal growth. This creates a nice balance between the two, and it's all about balancing ratios in organic soil.
After my mixes are turned and filled into 20 gallon totes I'll brew a nice inoculant tea at home to give my transplants a big boost. Currently I'm using Dragonfly Earth Medicine's Lush Roots combined with worm castings, alaskan humus, and a pinch of kelp meal. DEM's Lush Roots has a lot of endo's compared to ecto's, and cannabis only forms symbiosis with endomycorrhizae so products like Great White or Plant Success are for shrubs and trees. The ecto-dom inoculants out there actually inhibit the endos from forming much at all, rendering them practically useless. "The secret to success"... sounds like a bunch of hypocritical bull crap to me. They DO know 90% of their clientele are canna-growers.... don't they?
Anyways, I wanted to open this thread back up because it's another golden one by Silverback that has been pushed back into the cupboard to gather dust. It's spring so we'll slowly be dusting these babies off as well as some of Gemini's threads... looks like he's got a lot of goodies too
To this I'll add whatever else I have on-hand. Usually perlite (I try to make sure the mix is at least 30% perlite), a hand full of water polymers, bokashi, organic brown rice, and time-release mycorrhizae. I'll sprinkle a circle of Alfalfa meal around my pots' perimeters to feed the microbe army that will start to suck N from my plants if I leave them hungry. On top of this goes a thing layer of compost/perlite followed by composted bark mulch as my top dressing. I'll work the mulch into my top layer as best I can since this promotes bacterial growth, while leaving it on top of my mix will increase fungal growth. This creates a nice balance between the two, and it's all about balancing ratios in organic soil.
After my mixes are turned and filled into 20 gallon totes I'll brew a nice inoculant tea at home to give my transplants a big boost. Currently I'm using Dragonfly Earth Medicine's Lush Roots combined with worm castings, alaskan humus, and a pinch of kelp meal. DEM's Lush Roots has a lot of endo's compared to ecto's, and cannabis only forms symbiosis with endomycorrhizae so products like Great White or Plant Success are for shrubs and trees. The ecto-dom inoculants out there actually inhibit the endos from forming much at all, rendering them practically useless. "The secret to success"... sounds like a bunch of hypocritical bull crap to me. They DO know 90% of their clientele are canna-growers.... don't they?
Anyways, I wanted to open this thread back up because it's another golden one by Silverback that has been pushed back into the cupboard to gather dust. It's spring so we'll slowly be dusting these babies off as well as some of Gemini's threads... looks like he's got a lot of goodies too
GEMiNi GENETiCS
Active member
I use the espoma bio+ as well....mine is mixed and composted at the sites for a month prior to use. This also let's the local diggers check it out dig (mix it for me lol) which gets them use to the smell so by the time I add the clones they don't dig through it anymore.
What you using for rock dust?
I'm running espoma bio+, kelp, greensand, azomite, been cake, diatomacious earth, chicken shit, compost, composted horse manure oyster shell and glacial rock dust. Fairly hot rich mix but will also get bi weekly teas and foliars to boost em. Planting a few patches of nettles for tea making guerrilla style and worm casting plus kelp will be added. Water polymers added to certain locations.
Most are planted in ground but a few will be bottomless containers or mini mounds. Peat bales with a little coco mixed in...more coco next season.
What you using for rock dust?
I'm running espoma bio+, kelp, greensand, azomite, been cake, diatomacious earth, chicken shit, compost, composted horse manure oyster shell and glacial rock dust. Fairly hot rich mix but will also get bi weekly teas and foliars to boost em. Planting a few patches of nettles for tea making guerrilla style and worm casting plus kelp will be added. Water polymers added to certain locations.
Most are planted in ground but a few will be bottomless containers or mini mounds. Peat bales with a little coco mixed in...more coco next season.
I like it Gemini. How you do brew teas out in the bush? Is that what you meant?
GEMiNi GENETiCS
Active member
Yup. Exactly what it sounds like. So the plan is to get some rooted cuttings of nettles and plant them around my various plots....that way I can fill a buried 5gal bucket with water and chopped up nettle....put a cover on it with a slight crack to let out pressure and add a rock to disguise it(prevents animals too). Let that sit for a week or 2 then dilute 20:1 and foliar/soil drench. The smell could also help keep deer away if it is offensive to their sense of smell. This is my first season attempting this....if it goes well comfrey will be my next addition.....nettles and comfrey in teas for my veggie garden.
That's next level man
It reminds me of a discussion I had with a no-till gardener over cover crops and things like that... that the guerrilla could use to his or her advantage with little to no work needed. He said all I'd have to do is plant some crops on my soon-to-be patches come fall then by springs they'll be tilled with roots and slow release nitrogen/phos/potassium for the following year. I wanna try it this fall and see what happens...
I like your tea idea since it's already out in the bush, there's no hauling 5 gallon bucket brews in the back of your car connecting you to a grow lol. Have you ever taken that route? Brewing at home instead? That's what I'll be doing this year most likely but transporting it makes me vulnerable in a way. Hmmm
GEMiNi GENETiCS
Active member
Anytime you plant something in the bush make sure you look into the environmental impact it can cause before hand. We're growing organic for a reason! Luckily in the wet marshes/fens/wetlands plants like wild comfrey and nettle are around so they won't have a negative impact.
Oh yeah bro...no-till will help a lot....I do bulbs of garlic in the fall too....strong smell helps with certain pests both above and below ground. 2-3 bulbs will keep moles away from plants, ect.
Yes I've brewed a few at home. Make a super concentrate, fill a quart bottle and mix it out in the bush with 5gal of local water(nearly 20:1 dilution)....that way you only carry in a qt bottle rather than 40#of water pre-mixed.
On a side note planting nettles around your plants can help give a 2-4ft tall natural barrier that lots of animals won't mess with because of the itchy sharp stingers.
Oh yeah bro...no-till will help a lot....I do bulbs of garlic in the fall too....strong smell helps with certain pests both above and below ground. 2-3 bulbs will keep moles away from plants, ect.
Yes I've brewed a few at home. Make a super concentrate, fill a quart bottle and mix it out in the bush with 5gal of local water(nearly 20:1 dilution)....that way you only carry in a qt bottle rather than 40#of water pre-mixed.
On a side note planting nettles around your plants can help give a 2-4ft tall natural barrier that lots of animals won't mess with because of the itchy sharp stingers.
That's smart! I've heard about sprinkling garlic but growing it would be that much better I bet...
I have a site that has a bunch of little 6'' line tree seedlings everywhere. I'm thinking about transplanting some to a dedicated site but I'm not quite sure how fast these things grow. It may be a good idea for a site next year or the year after that... I could literally build a pine tree-fortress with all of these things haha
Lou, hello man, the problem about peat-moss is not that it is not a good soil additive, because it is fine as you said, no problem there. the issue is that peat-moss is harvested from naturally-occuring "peat-moss pastures" , for lack of a better term, and so people harvest a chunk in less than a week that took over one-thousand years to grow! think about it and tell me if we really need to use peat-moss to grow good herb? we don't need it, let the pretty little peat-moss be
silverback, thank you for responding, i have no good answer for you really, i have never used peat-moss so i don't know what would it replace it with, perhaps vermiculite?
much peace
Please, everyone don't listen to this nonsense about peat not being sustainable. It's very sustainable. The amount of peat taken from the overall amount is very minimal, the peat bogs in Canada are producing a substantial amount of this stuff. Coco Coir is far worse when it comes to sustainability...
Kygiacomo!!!
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i wont be listening to it..im going to lowes next week to pick up a 3 cf bail lool to mix in with my local top soil
