Outdoor mini's - the stealth approach

[Mattskibop]

To do...

To do...

1. Buy flowering nutrients to add when transplanting minis.
2. Make a list for operation "get em in"
3. Get em in
4. Mulch
5. Smoke a J

These girls are starting to smell now and Im hoping thats a sign that they are beginning to flower. No real visible signs. All neem sprayed and ready to go out.

Id love to be able to document this process but the likelihood is that it will happen late pm or early am. Not good times for taking pics.
I tried to get out this am to prep a few holes - forgot my hand shovel. My brain doesnt function 100% at the early hours, especially when its dark. This isnt the first time I forgotten something either and that is why Im writing a list of what I need.

I'll be adding nutes and water crystals to the bottom of each small hole. No cages, so hopefully there are no hungry critters around.

Peace...

 

[gorilla ganja]

Remember to keep nitrogen levels on the low side. As too much will delay flowering and a few yellowing leaves will help a lot to camouflage the plants.
How many light hrs are you getting now?
Hopefully your minis stay that way, because they are so much easier to hide. If they explode in growth they will stand out when "in plain view"

Best of luck

Peace GG

 

[Mattskibop]

Remember to keep nitrogen levels on the low side. As too much will delay flowering and a few yellowing leaves will help a lot to camouflage the plants.
How many light hrs are you getting now?
Hopefully your minis stay that way, because they are so much easier to hide. If they explode in growth they will stand out when "in plain view"

Best of luck

Peace GG

We are at around 14hrs of light atm, due to be 12hours around the end of March. So still some time to veg more than I'd like. Not too worried about this though as they will not be watered, this should restrict them somewhat to reasonable limits and Im hoping that my light dep tactic works.

Thanks for you input

 

[Mattskibop]

Got them in. Had a fine night with the moon out and took it as the perfect opportunity. Felt 100% safe and still plenty of light to get around without a light. Though I did get a little lost getting to the spot, things look so much different in the dark, go figure.

Didn't water them in and hoping that the forecast is right about rain tomorrow.

While I was there I was trying to find a suitable vantage point that I could see/check this spot from a distance. These clones are so small I doubt you could see them until fully flowered and maybe not even then. I am more concerned with the trails I may have left. Time will tell.

 

[livinit]

Got them in. Had a fine night with the moon out and took it as the perfect opportunity. Felt 100% safe and still plenty of light to get around without a light. Though I did get a little lost getting to the spot, things look so much different in the dark, go figure.

Didn't water them in and hoping that the forecast is right about rain tomorrow.

While I was there I was trying to find a suitable vantage point that I could see/check this spot from a distance. These clones are so small I doubt you could see them until fully flowered and maybe not even then. I am more concerned with the trails I may have left. Time will tell.

I wouldn't worry about it to much. It's off your property, let the plants do there thing. To take your mind off the subject start getting more clones ready to put outside to compensate for any lost during the waiting period.

 

['Boogieman']

Didn't water them in and hoping that the forecast is right about rain tomorrow.

I have watched plants go limp after transplanting with no water. If it doesn't rain or the sun is out strong get them some water.

 

[Mattskibop]

I wouldn't worry about it to much. It's off your property, let the plants do there thing. To take your mind off the subject start getting more clones ready to put outside to compensate for any lost during the waiting period.

Yeah - Ive got a batch rooting atm. Its fairly late in the season now and Im not sure that these would finish properly but the main purpose is for seed-making(CS) anyway.
If I can reverse a few of them I'll use them to pollinate each other. This was to preserve the genetics for next season and to practice producing fem beans.

 

[Mattskibop]

I have watched plants go limp after transplanting with no water. If it doesn't rain or the sun is out strong get them some water.

no worries... it rained...

 

[livinit]

no worries... it rained...

Good ol mother nature.

Your season is ending? Hmm mine will be starting I the next couple of months.

 

[livinit]

Yeah - Ive got a batch rooting atm. Its fairly late in the season now and Im not sure that these would finish properly but the main purpose is for seed-making(CS) anyway.
If I can reverse a few of them I'll use them to pollinate each other. This was to preserve the genetics for next season and to practice producing fem beans.

Was also going to ask how your yeild has been for those mini plants?

 

[Mattskibop]

Was also going to ask how your yeild has been for those mini plants?

I dont have much experience doing mini's. This is why I started this thread. I know there are growers here that use this method and their experience could prove useful to us.
I would be aiming at somewhere around a zip/Oz per plant?

 

[livinit]

I dont have much experience doing mini's. This is why I started this thread. I know there are growers here that use this method and their experience could prove useful to me.
I would be aiming at somewhere around a zip/Oz per plant?

Anywhere around 1 Oz is a realistic outcome. Not bad if you can pull about 40 of them off in a season.

 

[Mattskibop]

What about 4000?

 

[Mattskibop]

I've successfully pulled 4 decent size lollipop plants maybe 1/2oz each. Frisian dew and Pineapple chunk both suited the style really well and there was some mould issues with others, had to leave Tangerine dream because nowhere near ready yet.

Most plants were below knee height (except TD) and are still pretty much un-noticeable.
Gonna blow this spot up next season! So this thread continues... watch this space

 

[Mattskibop]

Pics or it didn't happen...

Pics or it didn't happen...

We are expecting some rain so I got out to harvest a few minis under the cover of darkness.

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Got around 10 of them off the same hill. Think I'll shoot for40-50 from the same hill next season and perhaps find another hill or two to do the same.

Mixed results with each strain... it's been a wet autumn... a little mold in some.

 

[PDX Dopesmoker]

Nice way to grow a lot of genetic variety and grow yourself a big selection to keep from getting bored of your homegrown.

 

[MountainBudz]

I have years of experience with minis aka "my bumper crops"... Guerilla style, where flyovers are weekly through summer/early fall. If you have any questions?

And just curious, are you in the US? Because you keep talking about the season being over and all, i'm just getting started. Don't start my mini grows till August through September though.

Looks good though buddy.

 

[MountainBudz]

The leaves of our beloved plant are so distinctive that it would be almost impossible to get away with hiding a grow "in plain sight", unless of course it is legal to do so.

Man, I sure do remember King Julian's stream-of-consciousness dissertations in this forum, and with all the detail he disclosed, I often wondered just how long he could go on divulging trade secrets before the long arm reached out and sent him scurrying for cover. I believe that occurred a couple of years back.

My presumption has always been that the Eye in the Sky is very much aware of the location of ALL weed growers who write into online forums, but the big hammer is reserved only for those engaged in YUUUGE commercial grows in locations where such enterprises are illegal.

I have pulled numerous successful grows on the edges of farmers hay fields, corn fields, soy bean, even personal gardens in close to peoples back yards. The key isn't just putting out mini plants, its also about the simple method of training. Hardcore LST, topping, training briars, vines, etc around the plants and make sure to cover your holes up at the base of your plants with surrounding vegetation as well ( this is very very important if you deal or suffer with flyovers!).

So many variables and crucial points. Putting the plants in the corners and edges of hay fields and crop fields where the farmer has to turn and watch his equipment when he is making the turns keeps his eyes astray/distracted from the plants that sits just literally 4 to 8 feet away from his bush hog or roller.

Man I have put my ass on the front lines in this game more times than I can count. I always work in the night when i'm working the crops that are in public or well used areas. Never visit plots between the times of 11 to 5pm between the months of July 1st to the end of September for the sake of fly overs (which I have been crawling and hiding beneath several black hawks hoovering so close to me that I could feel the pressure of the wind a couple of times) that is one feeling you will NEVER forget!

For minis in the forest, away from wide open tended farms and fields, find at least half ass open areas that let at least a few to many hours of sunlight in, but enough tree top coverage above plants to swerve and sway in the air when the chopper gets close to help block the view and defend the plot. I usually dig trenches around 2 feet wide and anywhere from 10 to 30 feet in length and set out a whole nursery tray (72 plant cells) in a row, in a zig zag pattern, throw down some lime, time release nutes or granular 10-20-20 fertilizer and wait to sex them, pull the males and you got you about half of 72 plants that will turn out female, give or take, and then tie each plant down from left to right, one plant after another and you got about an ounce to two per plant (depending what month/time you set the crop out greatly affects yield).

Now keep in mind this method is for places that you know chances of people being in the area are slim to none. This is also for areas exactly like I described with some tree top coverage high above to shatter up the pilot and leos view from above. NEVER do this out in the open, if you have flyovers you likely wont get away with it.

I also mentioned bag seed. I have 2 country crock butter bowls full of seeds, some made from my pollinated/seed patches, some from friends that save them for me, some even from imported brick weed "these are my favorite". I do this because the large number of plants being used would cost an arm and leg if they were instead purchased. Never had a hermie out of all my years and most of the time the plants are as good if not better than grows from a reputable seed bank/breeder. This is how elites are found .

I do use and grow large plants as well with good genetics from seed and cuts that I out out early in the year but these are never close together and the large plants are spaced a very good distance apart from each other. I love bushes. The bushes are my babies that I tend to from march to sept/oct or even November these are my main focus.

The minis are just a bumper/bonus crop, if I get by with it hell yeah! If I don't, oh well. Still have my trees to fall back on ya know.

Another very good tip is when the choppers slow down after they're mayhem in the sky in early to mid September and the wrath from above finally calms, you can put out as many minis as you want as long as -> you know <- that they are in a secure and safe location from the ground. Yes folks, I have germinated seed as late as the last week of august, even first week of september and its exactly like 12/12 from seed and as long as you have those numbers ( this works with clones as well) and the environment/weather/location your growing in will allow you to go into late october to mid november, you can do this. I have had many plants and long blooming sativas, late planted crops, etc go into the months of November no problem, even with cold nights and a few frosts as well. The only problem I have encountered by doing so is purple buds and deep coloration, which if you are growing for profit or commercially this could be a plus. You know how people are crazy bout those "purple buds" lol...

Anyway, sorry for the long rant but hopefully this will help those of you that are dabbling in guerilla growing and those of you who are new to it as well. People that have problems in non legal states, this advice should help you.

Happy grows folks!

 

[MountainBudz]

Even if the minis only produced a quarter per plant, that is (14 grams per plant) and say you had 100 of them and several patches located in several spots that is 50 ounces per patch and about 3 lbs per area. Shit adds up in numbers. Also makes for a super easy trim job.

 

[Mattskibop]

Hey Mountainbuds I'm in the southern hemisphere and its autumn here. Now I get to sit back and watch all the northern growers do their thing.
I'm still not convinced with the minis thing yet...
I like the fact that they can be planted almost anywhere, even in plain sight if done right. I prefer plain sight from a distance. Also like you mentioned easier trim job.
Numbers or space for numbers is what limits my ability to do minis how I'd like to.
I only have a small space which I use to pre-veg, could probably fit 50 seedlings/clones max at a time. I'd like to make a cabinet with shelves and lights for each shelf.
Though I'm keen for as much variety as the next guy, personally prefer using one strain for each location to cut down on visits ie. everything ready at the same time-ish.

I'd be quite interested to know how others acquire their grow spots, especially when they are in places where chances of seeing others is slim to none. All of my spots are accessed through public spaces so it's not suspicious when I'm in the area, I just use the edges of these spaces, the parts where no one wants go. I use google maps/earth too sometimes. These are usually not prime growing spaces.

For minis... any green space has potential they can be placed in good sunny spots without too much attention ...