Tutorial Organics for Beginners

[dank.frank]

My only problem is people who use the site as a means of funding their business yet don't contribute financially to keeping the site running.

If you want to talk about things from a moralistic standpoint...you aren't promoting "a helpful product" - you're promoting your own personal business.

And beyond that - THIS VERY THREAD - is devoted to a particular set of simple, easy to make base mixes.

If you want to promote your product - start a thread devoted to it - and pay the advertising fee - set up a banner - and truly promote your product...as opposed to leeching from high traffic threads...





dank.Frank

 

[BurnOne]

Let's stay on topic guys.
Burn1

 

[Ph-patrol]

Im looking to do an organic soilless mix. This is what I have

Canadian peat 3 cuft
chunky perlite 1.75 cuft
30lb worm castings


Bone meal
blood meal
alphalpha meal
Green sand
Agricultural lime

Want to know if I'm missing some thing or If I don't need some thing. The worm castings and green sand were a bitch to find. I drove all over the place to find every thing I have so far.

 

[Weird]

i would want to add kelp and compost minimum. Optimally crab and neem meals in that mix as well as well as a more complete lime mix (lime.gypsum.oyster shell)

i dont like amend with alfalfa because it is hot and I do not cook my soil, instead I am use light alfalfa teas to feed and foliar.

 

[Ph-patrol]

I understand every thing except compost. Is this something made or purchased. The only thing I can think of is mushroom compost.
Im mixing up for veg phase this morning. about 12 gal total. I may add some coco core I just had kicking around.
Have some ffof too.

 

[magiccannabus]

Compost can be purchased almost anywhere on earth, but if you can make your own, you control the feedstock. I make my own and can really tailor it to what I want it to be rich in. If you can get worms to do your composting(vermicomposting), that will produce the best results. I've been wanting to start my own worm bin for years now but finding the worms locally is very hard.

 

[Mikell]

There isn't much to compost, but I would recommend searching out craigslist or such, to find a local farm or supplier. Commercial bagged compost is more industrial waste than ideal soil input. Preferable to produce your own, but it's not always feasible.

 

[xmobotx]

commercial compost can be kind of hit & miss... mushroom compost in particular tends to be the thrown away medium from mushroom farming & high in many un-wanted compounds

 

[Ph-patrol]

I have a 50 x 80 vegetable garden. With a compost pen. I would be hard pressed before bringing in that to my indoor garden soil.
So can I make an indoor compost bin using house hold items? Keep in lidded trash can
By the way I added cocco and fox farm ocean to my mix. Figured soil and worm castings would help with the lack of compost. No kelp meal yet,have to top amend later. Ended up using only 35% peat.


Just want thank every one for taking the time lol
This is my indoor veg mix.Going to have a second round for my 5 gal flower buckets. Just saying.

 

[Luther Burbank]

Nah man, if you've got an outdoor vegetable garden, there's absolutely no reason to be composting indoors. I lost your meaning on being hard pressed before bringing outdoor compost into your indoor garden soil.

 

[Ph-patrol]

Critters and bad bugs.

 

[Luther Burbank]

A hot compost heap isn't going to contain much of those. I've been using not just outdoor compost indoors, but have brought in outdoor native soil for mixes. I find the concern for bugs and other pests coming indoors in outdoor soil to be overblown.

 

[dank.frank]

If you truly compost your soils in sunlight under black plastic and you hit 165 degrees in your pile - you've pretty much nuked anything that may be living in it. Especially if that temperature is maintained for any period of time...

I tend to look at the surface of my soil and I can see the soil mites working at decomposing the leaves that fall onto it, etc...

I don't think of this as a bad thing - I think of it as a healthy naturally thriving mini-ecosystem and exactly what I hope to achieve...



dank.Frank

 

[Kozmo]

I have a nice local organic soil mix that I use. I would like to gear it toward sativa dominant cloans that go straight to flower. I would all ready be adding Flora Nova bloom 1/2 strength at week 5 and 8 on this 12 week strain. ACT the rest of the time. Any suggestions on soil makeup?

 

[xmobotx]

if you don;t want to bring compost in it can be a good case for using a proper compost tea. compost should be a good source for helpful microbiology. proper CT is a microbial extrapolation ~enabling you to water that biology in

allowing worms to finish your compost can be a good way to make it container~ready. The wormbin environment will lead to balance & if you;re still skeptical, you can still do compost tea

 

[Ph-patrol]

I just finished straightening out my compost bin. I will put compost in a black trash bag in the sun to reach 165 degrees when its fully decomposed.
As far as teas I dropped some of this in water to jump start my soil. http://www.biconet.com/soil/infosheets/Pro%20PGA%20PGA%20PLUS%20Specific%20Sheet.pdf I had it kicking around. I will be looking for a healthy veg tea recipe soon though.

 

[Ph-patrol]

if you don;t want to bring compost in it can be a good case for using a proper compost tea. compost should be a good source for helpful microbiology. proper CT is a microbial extrapolation ~enabling you to water that biology in

allowing worms to finish your compost can be a good way to make it container~ready. The wormbin environment will lead to balance & if you;re still skeptical, you can still do compost tea

Your post got me thinking . So I started looking around and found this http://microbeorganics.com/#What_is_Compost_Tea__.
Witch lead me to wiping up a tea out of castings, compost, alph-alpha and molasses. I used my framing compressor and a old hose coiled with small holes in it. After 30 hours it foamed up like a cappuccino. Plants are exploding with growth. It strange my queen is strangle overly interested in soils and teas.
Who would have thunk

Thanks xmobotx and D Frank for the recipe

 

[Kozmo]

Is it okay to quote myself? Lol... Stoney

Is it okay to quote myself? Lol... Stoney

I have a nice local organic soil mix that I use. I would like to gear it toward sativa dominant cloans that go straight to flower. I would all ready be adding Flora Nova bloom 1/2 strength at week 5 and 8 on this 12 week strain. ACT the rest of the time. Any suggestions on soil makeup?

A couple things: First off I found out Flora nova was only mostly organic and I might be paddling back words in my quest for health organic living soil. I could explain it but it would just be regurgitated bull shit. Second is I have some info on my soil.


Nutrient:, percentage:, lbs/acre@4tons/acre


Organic matter, 18.8%, 1504
Total nitrogen, .75%, 60
Phosphorous (P205), .27%, 21.6
Potassium (k20), .41%, 32.8
Calcium, 2.5%, 200
Sulfur, .015%, 1.19
Manesium, 1.05, 84
Zinc, .0046%, .37
Manganese, .0015%, 1.18
Boron, .0015%, .12

C/N ratio, 15.2

Ingredients: Leaves, woody material, vermicompost, rock and sea minerals.

Granted its lbs per four tons but its info no less. I buy it in one cubic foot bags(28 liters)

So if a guy was puting eleven to thirteen week A13 Haze x Biker Kush cloans imediatly into flower after they show growth, what would/should he do besides water with compost tea from KIS inc?

One thought I had was the nitrogen level being tamed down a tad but that is just a shot in the dark.

I was thinking 25% chunky per light and 25% coco(sunshine #4)
Maybe even 15-25% EWC

 

[dank.frank]

Honestly, I can run 12wk plants in my base mix - no issue at all - no adjustments necessary...you know the link.

ESPECIALLY, if you aren't vegging the plants - any complete mix - in say 2 gallon containers - should be perfectly capable of taking them to harvest...

I used to run just rooted clones in 1.7 gal rose buckets with 1wk veg under fluros - then directly to flower...14wk plants had no issue with it - but I wouldn't use containers any smaller than that...granted I'm pretty rigid on just watering...

If you are doing additional feeding - you might be able to get away with smaller containers - in thinking about it...

Regardless - I think you are making it a bit TOO complicated just because you are thinking of these plants as being a "sativa" - when in reality - they are still a hybrid - just one that leans more towards the sativa spectrum...

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All that aside - I take it you got your seeds, then?



dank.Frank

 

[Kozmo]

Honestly, I've can run 12wk plants in my base mix - no issue at all - no adjustments necessary...you know the link.

ESPECIALLY, if you aren't vegging the plants - any complete mix - in say 2 gallon containers - should be perfectly capable of taking them to harvest...

I used to run just rooted clones in 1.7 gal rose buckets with 1wk veg under fluros - then directly to flower...14wk plants had no issue with it - but I wouldn't use containers any smaller than that...granted I'm pretty rigid on just watering...

If you are doing additional feeding - you might be able to get away with smaller containers - in thinking about it...

Regardless - I think you are making it a bit TOO complicated just because you are thinking of these plants as being a "sativa" - when in reality - they are still a hybrid - just one that leans more towards the sativa spectrum...

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All that aside - I take it you got your seeds, then?



dank.Frank

Still waiting. Did get some respond though. Not sweating it.

Funny you talked about pot size. I was going to use these 4x4x14 in. tall tree pots. There just shy of a gallon. So I'm hearing you say additional feedings. I planned on watering with ACT once a week at least and watering with spring water just so that wouldn't dry out. Should I just water with ACT all the time?