Organic 'Water only' grow question???

[vicious bee]

Yeah the Organic MG is known to come with fungus Gnats....

Does you buddy start his seeds directly into final pots or does he re pot them into the Moisture control?? I have been questioning as to whether or not to use the Moisture Control..thanks

You say you hate soil indoors...How do you usually grow?? Do you use DWC??

I think he starts in those plastic cups 16oz? The ones everyone uses then transplants. I hate soil because it has too many variables. Someone who has dialed in a strain and a soil mix will do better with organic. I don't have any of that. Different strains. I need simple.
I use little Hempy cups 32oz.. I'm only growing for seeds indoors so small is good. I use NAPA sweeping compound as a media. It's a diamotacious fired earth product similar to Turface. It's somewhere between dirt and perlite. It's heavy and holds the plants well. I use Lucas formuls for nutes.
I think if I was to make it simple as possible I would use the Miracle Grow Moisture Control. I know people hate Miracle Grow but I've seen great results and that's what counts. Also controlling watering is difficult sometimes. The moisture control will even it out. I'm sure you can get better results with super phospated, regurgitated, lime-a-nized, petrified , organic, double gold, bat puke, cricket shit but that stuff cost a fortune and you can't get it at Home Depot. Even simpler would be Hempy style grow using Lucas formula. Easiest way to grow with great results.

 

[wisco61]

But I want an already fertilized soil. If I am going to be mixing nutrients and all that other shit I might as well go Hydro....I am trying to do a water only grow...meaning not have to worry about all the flushing, nutrient mixing and all that other stuff...I just want to put the nutrients into the soil...then water all the way to harvest...

I don't have any idea of how and when to apply nutrients when using soil...lol...I have heard so many debates as to when to flush...when to add nutrients...when to do this...when to do that...I would rather go Hydro If I am going to do that much thinking...to me the whole point of organics is to not have to screw around with measuring nutes...let nature take its course is what I want...

You should check out the organic beginners thread. They have a couple soil mixes in there that are just water fed after you do the initial mixing.

Here are two very good organic soiless mixes...

LC's Mix is great for any stage of growth. You can germ seeds in it, grow mothers in it, root clones in it as well as veg and flower in it.

LC’s Soiless Mix #1:
5 parts Canadian Spaghnam Peat or Coir or Pro-Moss
3 parts perlite
2 parts wormcastings or mushroom compost or home made compost
Powdered (NOT PELLETIZED) dolomite lime @ 2 tablespoons per gallon or 1 cup per cubic foot of the soiless mix.
...Wal-Mart now sells worm castings.

Or, if you use Pro Mix, Sunshine Mix or Fox Farm mixes...
LC's Soiless Mix #2:
6 parts Pro Mix BX or HP / Sunshine Mix (any flavor from #1 up) / Fox Farm Ocean Forest or Light Warrior
2 parts perlite
2 parts earthworm castings
Powdered (NOT PELLETIZED) dolomite lime @ 2 tablespoons per gallon or 1 cup per cubic foot of the soiless mix.
If you use a 3 qt. saucepan as “parts” in the amounts given above, it equals about 1 cu. ft. of soiless mix and you can just dump in a cup of powdered dolomite lime.
But, a "part" can be anything from a tablespoon to a five gallon bucket. Just use the same item for all of the "parts".

Now for the plants organic food source

Choose one of these organic plant food recipes to add to LC's Soiless Mix.

RECIPE #1
If you want to use organic nutes like blood, bone and kelp...
Dry Ferts:
1 tablespoon blood meal per gallon or 1/2 cup per cubic foot of soil mix
2 tablespoons bone meal per gallon or 1 cup per cubic foot of soil mix
1-tablespoon kelp meal per gallon or 1/2 cup per cubic foot of soil mix or Maxicrop 1-0-4 powdered kelp extract as directed
(OPTIONAL) 1 tablespoon per gallon or 1/2 cup per cubic foot of Jersey Greensand to supplement the K (potasium) in the Kelp Meal and seaweed extract.
Mix all the dry ferts into the soiless mix well and wet it, but don't soak it with Liquid Karma and water @ 1 tbs./gal. Stir and mix it a few times a week for a week or two so the bacteria can get oxygen and break down the bone meal and make it available. And don't let the mix dry out, keep it moist and add water as needed. It'll also have time to get the humic acids in the Liquid Karma going and the dolomite lime will be better able to adjust the pH of a peat based mixture too.
With this recipe, all you need to do is add plain water until harvest.
When I'm working with seeds, I punch a hole in the bottom of 16 ounce cups and fill them with plain LC's Mix. Lightly wet the mix in the cups and germ one seed in each cup. At the same time I mix enough LC's mix along with the blood/bone/kelp to fill all the 3 gallon flower pots I'm going to use for the grow. After about two weeks, the seedlings and the blood/bone/kelp mix are ready. I transplant the seedlings into the 3 gallon pots and just add water until harvest.

That is from the thread. Just water from seed to harvest and a lot cheaper than $75 a bag.

 

[gsmoked]

hey guys just a quick question need some help , i am a noob on growing and i have four blueberry autoflowering females from dutch passion which are 3 weeks and 3 days old . As i have a very small tight budget i am growing in my grow tent with a fan 6 23 watt cfl and a simple red and blue led light in the centre. My blueberrys are doing better than i thought all averaging 10 inches tall and starting to show signs of flowering a day or so ago, now i have finally got to my point , i am thinking of using a tamato feed ( organic of course ) on my autos but obvioulsy a very light dose but is it really needed will it have much affect on final results any replys on this would be very much appreciate thanks :d gSMOKED

 

[grapeman]

Zendo gives good advice. Probably the best way to make sure you have all you need is to mix your own soil. Easy enough. Every thing you need to do a soil grow with only water is right on the first post.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=53792

 

[gsmoked]

hey guys just a quick question need some help , i am a noob on growing and i have four blueberry autoflowering females from dutch passion which are 3 weeks and 3 days old . As i have a very small tight budget i am growing in my grow tent with a fan 6 23 watt cfl and a simple red and blue led light in the centre. My blueberrys are doing better than i thought all averaging 10 inches tall and starting to show signs of flowering a day or so ago, now i have finally got to my point , i am thinking of using a tamato feed ( organic of course ) on my autos but obvioulsy a very light dose but is it really needed will it have much affect on final results any replys on this would be very much appreciate thanks :d gSMOKED

 

[Bighill]

I hate to go against the grain here but if you transplant your seedlings out of beer cups in time you get little to no stunting. My 2.5 foot JEM plant was the last one i transpanted, it was in a cup for almost 20+ days! Then my auto assasin i just took down was grown in a 2 gal grow bag from day one. It is MUCH much smaller.

The moral of the story is, if you give the genetics the correct conditions they will preform to their best. If you put a small pheno AF in a big bag it's still going to be small. Finish size is all pheno determind in my mind not solely pot size. There are still small pheno AF's in hydro, not "as" small but still not as big in comparison.

I feel the sex of autos is determined some time in the first 10/14 days, so at least sex them then transplant.

I thought about scooping out a big chunk then putting in some reg soil for seedlings, but the roots will get down to the good stuff "quick time" no matter what. That beeing said for my outdoor this year i put straight promix for about 8 inches then all the hot mix compo on the bottom.

Just my 2 cents
Bh.

 

[Bighill]

hey guys just a quick question need some help , i am a noob on growing and i have four blueberry autoflowering females from dutch passion which are 3 weeks and 3 days old . As i have a very small tight budget i am growing in my grow tent with a fan 6 23 watt cfl and a simple red and blue led light in the centre. My blueberrys are doing better than i thought all averaging 10 inches tall and starting to show signs of flowering a day or so ago, now i have finally got to my point , i am thinking of using a tamato feed ( organic of course ) on my autos but obvioulsy a very light dose but is it really needed will it have much affect on final results any replys on this would be very much appreciate thanks :d gSMOKED

Make sure it is quality organic fertalizer, miracle grow that says organic on it isn't really true organic. Pure blend is crap too. They still use synthetic chleating salts in the mix to facilitate nutient uptake. These salts are derrived from sodium cyanide and femaldahyde. They are very hard to flush out. So in short "cheap" organics ina bottle tend to shit can your end quality. A VERY good article on this is in skunk mag Vol 6 issue 1.

OMRI rated "in bottle" ferts are all good. Iguana juice, earth juice bloom, and the GH line that uses acids instead of salts for chleating are good too.

Good soil mix and bubbled teas of compo/worm casting/guano, trump all in my mind. I am on a budget for my growing and i found this method to be fairly fail safe and on the cheap in a large way.