Organic Fanatic Collective

[osirica420]

Would a product such as Azomite, which does contain many many minerals provide a similar effect to that of the sea solids? If not what are the differences?

Azomite is a good product and would grow better plants with then without but
its not as complete at sea minerals....


GOD made the sea minerals in direct proportion as the minerals in our blood
and Chlorophyll, which leads me to believe that that is the proportion they
need and use the same amount that is in the chlorophyll and our blood, We
eat these plants and ingest the same balance of organic minerals when we
eat ocean grown food, that is why the doctor was curing all the plants and
animals he ran tests on...


1st off the seawater has every element known to man plus ones man does not know about yet making it over 90+ available minerals to the plant..

2nd of all the salinity of the water helps with the uptake of these minerals..

3rd sea-crop and thalassa mix contains TONS of good bacteria way more then u can get in any type of soil

 

[Suby]

V, I have seen alfalfa pellets that have a fair amount of salt added. I been using alfalfa blocks and grinding that up. A fresh non-processed local source would be nice. In a posting by Suby, he says to use 10% of the volume. Volume of what? The whole mix? I'd burn up my grinder and my buddy at the pet store would raise an eyebrow or two if I bought enough cubes to do 10% of my mix. 35 gallons of soil. 10% would be 3.5 gallons??? Whoa. Suby, did I misunderstand? If so, I'm going to blame it on being stoned. Worked in the past. lol

I had to search a bit to find that post, it was in my very old tricks and tips thread.
I used that much in my composted soil mix a few times and had no burning or problems but these where outdoor plants and it wasn't repeated.

Vman it does sound like overkill, you and Jman have using it the most from what i've seen on this thread, any idea?

JackTheGrower did a green manure thread and I'm guessing by the time he tilled it back to the soil it was around 10% wet ..

I dunno I blame all those crazy drugs us kids today use.

Anyway I'll delete until I'm sure, good catch OF

S

 

[Guest]

Osirica, what about salt build up using sea salt and the thalassa mix? Most of us are container growing and some of us are re-using our soil. I can see the thought behind the thalassa mix but the salt build up would end soil recycling. One site I found on the mix said to be careful in containers because of the salts. We're stoners. We sometimes forget careful.

 

[osirica420]

Hydro is the easiest to give the plants what they need...
I use DWC, and coco & higromite in containers and do not have any problems..
If you are using soil in the ground you only apply ONCE every 1-2 years
If you are using soil in containers feed every 4-6 months with sea solids..

In reality is no difference in the build up of salt from the normal nutes you guys use really..

Drainage/Porosity/Air are key elements when growing in soil...

 

[SilverSurfer_OG]

Wow, sea salt!?

Thats incredible!

Not sure if i can access any here in Oz but will have a wee look...

What about using say 10% sea water as a one off feed?

 

[osirica420]

I would not suggest getting your own, purchase from someone online that has done research on the best locations for sources..

www.shopgrowgreens.com
www.sea-crop.com
www.seaagri.com
www.oceangrown.com

The liquid form is better cuz it is jammed packed with good bacteria..

 

[Scay Beez]

osirica420: I like the ingredients listed on the ocean gold. That last pic looks like some Himalayan Pink Salt I always see at the health store. Killer tip man!


- sbz

 

[SilverSurfer_OG]

I gave one plant a foliar with a few drops of sea water in 1 litre rain water. She seemed to like it or at least it hasnt burnt the leaves or anything...

Might up the dose a little and find the threshhold.

Anyone got a ppm meter and some sea water handy? Would be good to know how dilute we have to make it per litre of fresh water... I have been told we should reduce the strength from 30000ppm to 200ppm.

Cheers.

 

[strain_searcher]

I have seen sea crop before its supposed to be the secret fountain of organic steroids.

 

[Guest]

From 30 000 to 200 ppm is 1 part water/tea to 150 parts seawater.

I used sea salt in a pond and grow veg, not a lot though - Salt that is, not veg..

I put 3 ozs salt in 80-100 gallons (water fluctuates, salt amount stays the same but solution strength of it rises as water is used up)

So, I don't know how to equate this salt I put in the water to ppm in the pond though I bloody well should by now, try.. remember....

The composition of marine salt is:

Element - ppm

Chloride, Cl 19,500
Sodium, Na 10,770
Magnesium, Mg 1,290
Sulphur, S 905
Calcium, Ca 412
Potassium, K 380
Bromine, Br 67
Carbon, C 28
Nitrogen, N 11.5
Strontium, Sr 8
Oxygen, O 6
Boron, B 4.4
Silicon, Si 2
Fluorine, F 1.3
Argon, Ar 0.43
Lithium, Li 0.18
Rubidium, Rb 0.12
Phosphorus, P 0.06
Iodine, I 0.06
Barium, Ba 0.02
Molybdenium, Mo 0.01
Arsenic, As 0.0037
Uranium, U 0.0032
Vanadium, V 0.0025
Titanium, Ti 0.001
Zinc, Zn 0.0005
Nickel, Ni 0.00048
Aluminium, Al 0.0004
Cesium, Cs 0.0004
Chromium, Cr 0.0003
Antimony, Sb 0.00024
Krypton, Kr 0.0002
Selenium, Se 0.0002
Neon, Ne 0.00012
Manganese, Mn 0.0001
Cadmium, Cd 0.0001
Copper, Cu 0.0001
Tungsten, W 0.0001
Iron, Fe 0.000055
Xenon, Xe 0.00005
Zirconium, Zr 0.00003
Bismuth, Bi 0.00002
Niobium, Nb 0.00001
Thallium, Tl 0.00001
Thorium, Th 0.00001
Hafnium, Hf 7 x 10-6
Helium, He 6.8 x 10-6
Beryllium, Be 5.6 x 10-6
Germanium, Ge 5 x 10-6
Gold, Au 4 x 10-6
Rhenium, Re 4 x 10-6
Cobalt, Co 3 x 10-6
Lanthanum, La 3 x 10-6
Neodymium, Nd 3 x 10-6
Lead, Pb 2 x 10-6
Silver, Ag 2 x 10-6
Tantalum, Ta 2 x 10-6
Gallium, Ga 2 x 10-6
Yttrium, Y 1.3 x 10-6
Mercury, Hg 1 x 10-6
Cerium, Ce 1 x 10-6
Dysprosium, Dy 9 x 10-7
Erbium, Er 8 x 10-7
Ytterbium, Yb 8 x 10-7
Gadolinium, Gd 7 x 10-7
Praseodymium, Pr 6 x 10-7
Scandium, Sc 6 x 10-7
Tin, Sn 6 x 10-7
Holmium, Ho 2 x 10-7
Lutetium, Lu 2 x 10-7
Thulium, Tm 2 x 10-7
Indium, In 1 x 10-7
Trebium, Tb 1 x 10-7
Palladium, Pd 5 x 10-8
Samarium, Sm 5 x 10-8
Tellurium, Te 1 x 10-8
Europium, Eu 1 x 10-8
Radium, Ra 7 x 10-11
Protactinium, Pa 5 x 10-11
Radon, Rn 6 x 10-16

From figures Ive been reading..

Seawater has a salinity of roughly 35,000 ppm equivalent to 35 g/L.

That's 233.33 ppm salts - or 0.233 grams per litre.

Must be variations in the salinity of seawater.

A 35000 salinity to get down to 200 ppm would need to be diluted down

1 part seawater to 175 parts tea/water.

To add sea salt at 200 ppm simply add 0.2 grams sea salt per litre. Or 0.75 grams per gallon (approx).

Or get sea water, and find out what your sources salinity is and equate it down to 200 ppm.

 

[SilverSurfer_OG]

Cool, nice info Bongsong

So my maths is not what it used to be

To achieve 200ppm
sea water @35000ppm in 1 litre fresh water = 5mls or so...?

 

[Guest]

5 mls is very close yes.

1 litre = 1000 mls.

@ 30 000 ppm salinity add 8.33 mls per litre. (31.54 mls per gallon)

@ 35 000 ppm salinity add 5.714 mls per litre. (21.63 mls per gallon)

 

[Smurf]

Seawater has a salinity of roughly 35,000 ppm equivalent to 35 g/L.

That's 233.33 ppm salts - or 0.233 grams per litre.

What am I missing Bongsong,, am I too bent?

 

[Guest]

Ermm, what'm I missing too hehe.

Ahh, methinks this's it.

0.1 grams dissolved salt in 1 litre is 100 ppm.

 

[Smurf]

Talk about bent!,,, I didn't see the dilution factor between those figures you gave. sorry

 

[Guest]

The Sea Salts hold promise for soil indeed. I co-relate this type of mineral list with things like azomite, except, it's not an isolated deposit of the stuff, apparently there's oceans of it...

I'm going to watch from sidelines on this one I do too many things at once now that mess up my stash potential - can't help but tinker

I think the sea salts will actually take time to 'mature' into soil, and a bacterial tea and catalyst could be called for to help. Much like our other nutrients - indeed some would classify them the same... sea salts will want processing by the micro herd in an organic grow.

Thing is, are terrestrial bacteria the right bacteria for working on this stuff.

What I'm getting at is - it obviously looks good - there's plenty in it - how do we get it so our plants use it well.

If the solution is salt water, (as opposed to sea salts diluted) there should be many marine bacteria present to work in the solution, but - do they present these compounds in forms available to terrestrial plants?

Azomite is processed in some manner to increase mineral adsorption of the stuff in plants and animals. Just pondering how to go about doing same to sea water.

 

[konstantgrdnr]

I've read all the articles on sea salt and it does make sense. What we are talking about here are minerals which have been deposited in the ocean over a long long period of time, most of it from land sources ie the grand canyon etc. The point to take away is that people do not have a full understanding to which minerals trigger what in the plant. Sea solids seem to cover the all bases by their content. The Ocean is the biggest organic hydroponic tank in the world with all the organisms that live in it working in harmony to achieve balance. I would like to know what kind of uptake would the plant get if you combined sea solids with fulvic and humic acids. How would bacteria utilize the minerals ?

 

[Guest]

" would like to know what kind of uptake would the plant get if you combined sea solids with fulvic and humic acids. How would bacteria utilize the minerals ?"

Good question.

Theorise...

The increased ion exchange should allow for faster 'decomposition' - or processing - of the minerals in the soil. Faster and better percentage of mineral availability should reduce the bacterial population required to do the same job and so the 'niche' jobs involving trace elements should be in demand quicker (with bacteria, living things, it's all about survival - and populating the place is part of this) Much like we invent and adapt, so do they.

Sometimes I liken the bacterial population as being all too eager miners trying to find things for the plants (employers). They work for food. They'll even pass on poisons from soil like insecticides (maybe good for plants, not for us???). If the minerals are there and the plants want it the bacteria will try their best to dig it out. Adding Humic and Fulvic acid is like providing said workers with spades and drills.

Sorry, bit toasted....

I'll stop now

Point to it? I think the fulvic and humic acids, or soil with good humus content, would increase the micro-nutrient absorption of sea salt, and the benefits would be seen faster. Though how much faster I don't know.

The above analogy also points out in it's stoned meanderin way that anything not good in sea salt could wind up in your plants too.

Dunno if I even answered the question slightly, ahh, another cone calls me a beckonin it does.

 

[Guest]

Here's an excellent link/site I've found on fungi. The page that opens has fungi restoring oil soaked land and beginning all sorts or organic porcesses.

They also have a gallery of psilocybe mushrooms

Fungi Link

And here's an interesting abstract listing the australian mammal species that carry a range of m fungi in their scat. (that's shit to the layman)

"One hundred and thirty-eight scat (faecal) samples from 17 mammal species native to forests of northeastern Queensland were examined for the presence of spores of both ectomycorrhizal and arbuscular mycorrhizal fungi. Spores of mycorrhizal fungi were found in 57 percent of scat samples representing 12 animal species (Aepyprymnus rufescens, Antechinus godmani, Bettongia tropica, Hypsiprymnodon moschatus, Isoodon macrourus, Melomys ceruinipes, Perameles nasuta, Rattus fuscipes, R. tunneyi, Thylogale stigmatica, Trichourur uulperula, Uromys caudimaculatus). Spores were absent in scats of Antechinus stuartii, Dasyurus hallucatus, Dendrolagus lumholtzi, Petaurus australis and Mesembriomys gouldii. Spores of ectomycorrhizal fungi occurred in 38 percent of scats, and all but one of these samples were from Eucalyptus-dominated sclerophyll forests. Based on the frequency and abundance of spores in scats, five mammals were considered active consumers of hypogeous mycorrhizal sporocarps in sclerophyll forests (A. rufescens, B. tropica, I. macrourus, P. nasuta, and U. caudimaculatus). Individual scats of these animals generally contained a range of distinctive spore types. Spores of arbuscular mycorrhizal fungi were found in low abundance in almost 40 percent of scat samples collected, from both sclerophyll forest and rainforest habitats. We suggest that the majoriry of these spores were acquired incidentally through ingestion of soil during foraging activities on the forest floor. Glasshouse inoculation experiments in which seedlings of Eucalyptus grandis and Sorghum bicolor were inoculated with scat material from several species of mammal demonstrated that the spores of ectomycorrhizal and arbuscular mycorrhizal fungi retained some viability and colonized the roots of host-plant seedlings. Insufficient information is known of the ecology of mycorrhizal fungi in Australia's tropical forests to speculate as to the implications of these findings for forest conservation and rehabilitation."

Recognise these species, in laymans terms anyone?

A. rufescens is a Tarantula.
B Tropica is a rare marsupial.
I. macrourus is the Northern Brown Bandicoot.
P. nasuta is a Long Nosed Bandicoot.
U. caudimaculatus is a protected rodent.

Could I have some rat and tarantula shit please sir? No, it isn't snake oil. Do you have any snakes that might have eaten Bandicoots?

I've read two accounts of ants using m.fungi too. One type farmed it to eat, and the other type line vertical burrows with it for flood control.

 

[jaykush]

what does everyone think of this. i think it could be a good way to aerate teas with little effort, little strain on microbes, and lots of aeration. maybe not this one exactly but im sure we could probly make one our self's for cheaper or find a better source.

http://www.levtech.net/magmixer.html

some more here, http://www.sciencelab.com/page/S/CTGY/21761 even one that does 55 gallons but its kinda pricey. and one thats powered by a small air pump.