- Opiated Thai Sticks: Myth or Truth? -

[Hrpuffnkush]

could have been an in house thing,
i guess everyone equates something tied to a stick as a stick made in thailand,
not necessarily , u can do that anywhere,
its documented folks made sticks like that to sell their product easier ,
no reason why they couldnt have either coated something on them , or at least said they did ,
its illegal products after all, often sold by people who have no scruples and will say anything in order to encourage sales ...
some folks actually believe the crap they are sold , and we end up with these urban myths and wives tales about cannabis ..

In house in So Cali. LOL .. lol ive smoked opium , i know the effect tastes and smells , believe or not some people may have experienced things others have not before ... Seems like thats hard for people to get , not sure why . Lets spit hairs then , There was cannabis wrapped onn sticks being smuggled out of "South East Asia" for sale in foreign markets and "some" batches were opiated ...

 

[Cvh]

The point what Donald said about Sam commenting that Opiated Thai Sticks are potentially a myth is true.

I asked Sam about it and he gave us this reply that he didn't come across them at his travels and that he have tried looking for it. (But I don't remember his exact words).

His comment is somewhere in this exact thread if I remember correctly. But I don't have the time to look for it. But if maybe one you guys have an afternoon to spare then feel free to try to dig it up.

 

[Elmer Bud]

you know they didnt grow opium crops right beside where they grew thai stick weed,
it was many provinces away ,

You reckon there was / is no opium in the Nth East ?
I don`t think it is exclusive to the Golden Triangle . Hmong folks are all over Thailand to my knowledge .

 

[arsekick]

Who fucking cares now, if there was any it was 40 + years ago.

There was plenty of opiated hash oil getting around in OZ early-mid 80s, never seen any laced thai sticks, but i'm not an old codger like you stnuc

 

[Gry]

The meme of smoking opium and laying on the ground comes from Opium brokers adulterating the opium with opium ash which contains high levels of morphine .

Steven: The reasons for that stereotype are manifold, and, as with all stereotypes, they’re partly based on fact and partly on misunderstanding. During the heyday of the opium trade, raw opium exported by the British from India to China was purchased by Chinese brokers who then repackaged the product for sale to opium smokers within China. These brokers processed the raw opium into smoking opium, or chandu, and during this process they added impurities — the most common being opium ash — in the same way that drug cartels add nonessential ingredients to pure cocaine or heroin in order to boost their profits. Opium ash has a high morphine content, and adding it to pure opium not only increased the quantity of the product, it also made the high more numbing. So people with limited means who smoked low-quality opium cut with opium ash were more likely to lie around in a daze. And these were exactly the kind of smokers most often witnessed by Westerners living or traveling in China.

However, pure, good quality chandu smoked in moderation was energizing, both physically and mentally. So the effects really depended a lot on the kind of opium being smoked.

Hong Kong 64-71. Seldom heard chandu spoken of as correctly. The history attached is more than fascinating.

 

[Elmer Bud]

Hong Kong 64-71. Seldom heard chandu spoken of as correctly. The history attached is more than fascinating.

Please elaborate ??

 

[Cvh]

Maybe we should try to get some more actual practical facts in this debate?

So like we stoners do, maybe lets do our pipes some talking now instead and see if it even actually smokes?

I don't know if there's someone here who has the 2 types of flowers for it and is willing to take one for the team? I know that you guys love smoking stuff.

 

[Elmer Bud]

Maybe we should try to get some more actual practical facts in this debate?

So like we stoners do, maybe lets do our pipes some talking now instead and see if it even actually smokes?

I don't know if there's someone here who has the 2 types of flowers for it and is willing to take one for the team? I know that you guys love smoking stuff.

Rubbing opium on weed ? Nah .
Using the by products of boiling opium to make morphine . Maybe .

Also for those that chose to ignore or be ignorant . Good opium is actually stimulating !! OMFG !!!!

Opium has several alkaloids . Not just morphine .


During the heyday of the opium trade, raw opium exported by the British from India to China was purchased by Chinese brokers who then repackaged the product for sale to opium smokers within China. These brokers processed the raw opium into smoking opium, or chandu, and during this process they added impurities — the most common being opium ash — in the same way that drug cartels add nonessential ingredients to pure cocaine or heroin in order to boost their profits. Opium ash has a high morphine content, and adding it to pure opium not only increased the quantity of the product, it also made the high more numbing. So people with limited means who smoked low-quality opium cut with opium ash were more likely to lie around in a daze. And these were exactly the kind of smokers most often witnessed by Westerners living or traveling in China.

However, pure, good quality chandu smoked in moderation was energizing, both physically and mentally. So the effects really depended a lot on the kind of opium being smoked

 

[Donald Mallard]

You reckon there was / is no opium in the Nth East ?
I don`t think it is exclusive to the Golden Triangle . Hmong folks are all over Thailand to my knowledge .

oh im sure it was there , just not huge amounts like in the north where there was many fields of it ,
and very unlikely some poor thai farmer is gonna spend extra money on it to try to "enhance" something that didnt need enhancing , and that he wouldnt get a return on..
dont see many hmong , well i havent seen any around Udon , if they are there , they hide well , lol .. maybe in the hills between thailand and laos ...
mind u ,, i didnt see any monkeys till last i was there , heading up a small mountain to a temple ,
i mentioned it to the thai girl i was with saying i never knew they had them around that area , she had lived there all her life , and said , no she didnt know they were there either ,, lol..

 

[Donald Mallard]

If you can't be convinced by first-hand stories from people who lived the experience, then I guess that's that. It's a peculiar stance to take.

not really , ive listened to many stoners tales man ,
they are so out there sometimes , one wonders how they could even repeat them without checking first ,
to me this is just another one of those stories, its even changed a little over the years,
to make it sound a bit more valid , dipping in opium became using the after water and steaming the weed ,,because someone eventually realised u could probably see raw opium smeared on the sticks ...
eww id never do that to any of my weed...
In a time where opium was available in its pure form , why not just get that...

 

[Gry]

Please elaborate ??

Lived in HK from 64-71, I suspect there is a good deal of mythology attached to the subject. The Japanese replaced opium with Heroin in the early thirties, offered as chandu at 15%, with pipe dregs being used to cut it. Had a girlfriend in Thailand who had nice cannabis on regular basis, never saw treated stick, and regular
Thai stick was neat marketing.
The thought that the traditional Thai genetics are lost is beyond sad.
I have difficulty thinking that the sticks were coated with anything other than heroin, it was so
cheap and plentiful. As usual, this is just my perspective.

 

[tstick]

I don't think I ever suggested that anyone had the intention of "enhancing" their weed. As I've said many times, the weed was incidental. I think the point of opiating Thai sticks was to give the opium a way to burn that didn't require a special pipe or any special technique to smoke it. When you rolled it up, it looked like a cigarette. It was easy to use that way. If your intention was to go into an opium den, lay down on your side and get completely wrecked on opium, then that would be a whole other story. As far as opium being"energizing"...

I don't understand how anyone is conflating what the farmers did/didn't do with the fact that there were Thai sticks being made and used to smoke opium.

 

[Genghis Kush.]

thai stick was not made to transport opium.
that has been proven by the people that were there .
maybe someone took a batch of thai stick that was ruined in transport and laced it with something so that they could sell it ..
or maybe someone took some low grade Mexi and wrapped it around a stick and laced it so they could sell it?

 

[revegeta]

I don't think I ever suggested that anyone had the intention of "enhancing" their weed. As I've said many times, the weed was incidental. I think the point of opiating Thai sticks was to give the opium a way to burn that didn't require a special pipe or any special technique to smoke it. When you rolled it up, it looked like a cigarette. It was easy to use that way. If your intention was to go into an opium den, lay down on your side and get completely wrecked on opium, then that would be a whole other story. As far as opium being"energizing"... View attachment 19170682

I don't understand how anyone is conflating what the farmers did/didn't do with the fact that there were Thai sticks being made and used to smoke opium.

Friends don't let friends skip leg day.

He didn't skip knee day though. Good for him.

 

[tstick]

In a time where opium was available in its pure form , why not just get that...

Opium is still available in pure form. It's been available in its pure form for centuries. But, it requires special utensils to use that way. Maybe it was too strong for many to use that way. Kinda like if you want to get drunk, then why not just drink pure Everclear? Why would anyone want to drink a beer when they could drink pure Everclear? See what I mean? There are different levels to getting high -on anything.

I never heard/read ANY stories about farmers or anyone else "smearing" weed with opium or steaming it or any of that. I imagine those are some of the theories that people came up with to explain how opiated Thai sticks were made. I have no idea if those theories are valid or not. What I remember was someone saying that since opium is water-soluble, during the process of refining the opium, the residue left in the pots was rinsed. The water used to rinse the pots was what was used to dip the sticks in and then the sticks were set aside to dry out. Again, I have no idea if that's correct or not, either, but it could be a valid explanation of the process.

Who cares about any of this after 50 years? Well, I guess the people who made this thread and have been contributing to it....?

 

[tstick]

thai stick was not made to transport opium.
that has been proven by the people that were there .
maybe someone took a batch of thai stick that was ruined in transport and laced it with something so that they could sell it ..
or maybe someone took some low grade Mexi and wrapped it around a stick and laced it so they could sell it?

Again, no one is suggesting that Thai sticks were made for the purpose of "transporting" opium. I believe they were made as a way to facilitate smoking opium in a more casual and unrefined way. Furthermore, you are just believing a different story, aren't you? I was there for opiated Thai sticks and so were other people. It just becomes a matter of which stories you are going to believe or not. MOST of the history and information about drug use has been handed down through stories.

 

[Genghis Kush.]

Again, no one is suggesting that Thai sticks were made for the purpose of "transporting" opium. I believe they were made as a way to facilitate smoking opium in a more casual and unrefined way. Furthermore, you are just believing a different story, aren't you? I was there for opiated Thai sticks and so were other people. It just becomes a matter of which stories you are going to believe or not. MOST of the history and information about drug use has been handed down through stories.

My information comes from a close friend that smuggled many tons of Thai stick and spent years living there. I choose to believe him because he was directly involved. It would be hard to find someone that has more first hand experience with what was exported out of asia during the 60's and 70's. he says it makes no sense for someone to take the risk for what you are talking about. Smuggling opium is way more dangerous than smuggling herb. much bigger consequences if you mix the herb with narcotics. Why take that risk for a low grade product that is worth less?
Its more likely that it was made in the US or mexico

 

[Raco]

the potential in south america

sorry to bump a really old thread but does anyone think that inca spirit is actually a landrace indica from peru or are they full of shizzle?

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[Raco]

Opiated Weed: Is There any Truth in it?

Does anyone have hard evidence for this? To start, I can't understand why a farmer in S.E Asia would dip his flowers in water in a tropical climate and risk mould ruining his crop. Also i believe even if there were opiates in the water it would dry to only a thin layer upon the surface of the...

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[Donald Mallard]

I've said many times, the weed was incidental. I think the point of opiating Thai sticks was to give the opium a way to burn that didn't require a special pipe or any special technique to smoke it.

yes there has been a few posts on substances used to help the opium burn , it makes sense ,, thais and indians also used tobacco to help gunja burn better ,

why not use something neutral , why use the best cannabis as a vehicle , and not something with no affect , since u are forgoing the affect anyhow ,
doesnt make any sense ,
does that make sense to you ??
tobacco would have been better since it burns better than cannabis and in fact as i mentioned has been used with cannabis for some time to help it burn better and keep it lit ...
can u imagine how much work it would take to dip and dry a tonne of sticks ??

a bit risky sending it all over the country for these extra processes , then not charging for the extra risk and work ...