I've always had a theory that the old Thai sticks were bound up so tight and sealed so it almost had a cob like cure to it by the time it hit the streets. With the already electric high of the Thai it made it that much more spacey. That era I smoked Kona, Mauwi, Columbians, much of the local Cali/Ore bud, some that had thai in it, but Thai stick was always somthing special that you had to grab while it was there.
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The only time I saw what was called opium washed , was like you dropped your hash in the sea, white streaked, it had a strange texture too. Different from any other hash I've encountered. But this one in a good way. (When ya 16 anyway?
Have heard since that it was mold ?
But that stuff light you up..super dreamy.
Only got it once in the early nineties.
At the same time the first oil dropped on my scene. Came in plastic straws if that rings any bells?
Have heard since that it was mold ?
But that stuff light you up..super dreamy.
Only got it once in the early nineties.
At the same time the first oil dropped on my scene. Came in plastic straws if that rings any bells?
HAZENACIOUS
Member
I heard Bruce Lee's official cause of death was "hashish overdose" on a documentary...
Not sure if this helps,
Bruce Lee died from brain edema possibly caused by a reaction to a prescription painkiller(meprobamate and aspirin). Meprobamate treats anxiety not pain?. I'm not a Dr lol..
Veggia farmer
Well-known member
mix opium with hot water and you can spray or dip that on to sticks or hash chunks. Raw opium burns pretty bad yes, but it do burn. Opium does NOT necessarily make you couchlocked. It can but, yes.. high dose. I have never been, you can also just use the same cooking method with whole pods or seed and make opium. When you collect on live plants you can collect multipletimes.
When I was a kid we collected some in the gardens of old ladies. One times we felt quite a lot.. First me and a friend smoked some hash than afterwars this black brown gele stuff.. then we didnt feel so different just that we were stoned longer than if we would smoke hash alone.. Then I walked home in the sunshine totally at peace, grateful and very happy. My friend went to some other people later that evening and was asked way he was glowing with so nice energy. They didnt know what we had smoked. and I also made teas from pods and seed. A mild stone, good when your sick. Fever.
Thats my experience with the plant. Long time since. Have some outdoors flowering now but thats ornamental
When I was a kid we collected some in the gardens of old ladies. One times we felt quite a lot.. First me and a friend smoked some hash than afterwars this black brown gele stuff.. then we didnt feel so different just that we were stoned longer than if we would smoke hash alone.. Then I walked home in the sunshine totally at peace, grateful and very happy. My friend went to some other people later that evening and was asked way he was glowing with so nice energy. They didnt know what we had smoked. and I also made teas from pods and seed. A mild stone, good when your sick. Fever.
Thats my experience with the plant. Long time since. Have some outdoors flowering now but thats ornamental
Veggia farmer
Well-known member
When we first talked about I have wanted to do this myself for personal. I would go for hash then.
don't see why a myth necessarily has to have a basis in truth tbh
far more likely explanation:
very few people in the States in the late 60s had ever smoked strong cannabis
suddenly Thai stick and hashish turn up
inexperienced people start looking for explanations of why they're so high
fwiw, there's a lot of nonsense being talked about opium above, but whatever
white streaks = mold
not uncommon in hand-rubbed charas, not least because water content can be fairly high in the fresh resin using this method
thing is, unpack that opiated Afghan hash story:
export hash from those regions is imo all bulked out with tree resins, henna, powdered plant etc.
that was the case in the 19th century, and Howard Marks even describes the Afridis doing it, though he didn't seem to realize
all the Afghan hash I have seen in the UK, including Gold Seal and Red Seal, and the stuff with the Nothern Alliance stamps etc. --- all substandard, nothing like what you can get at source in Afghanistan and northern Pakistan
but according to the claim, we're meant to believe that producers and smugglers are adding opium to this hash
opium, a vastly more expensive product even at source, never mind how much more expensive relative to hash it is in Europe
total BS
In 2006 (or perhaps early 2007) we smoked very good Afghan blacks, one day a girl smoked too much, and she felt bad, (nothing serious, white face, shaking legs, Hehehe) but someone called an ambulance and in that school chaos .... However, they analyzed a piece of that hashish, and in addition to the classic henne and paraffin, they found a significant amount of opium (it could also have been a derivative of opium, or a waste), therefore at least in a case it was not bs ...
Im sure there's 1 off where some have added something. It wasn't added when the hash or Thai stick was made. Those that did that are asshats if they didn't tell any what was in it.
I used to look with a loop at weed that was grown to see the color of the resin heads and I looked at things like the black afghani and really good moroccan. Couldn't ever see anything but resin heads. The moroccan was usually lighter in color where the afghani black had a darker, amber color. If you looked at something of a bit lower quality like what went around as “super moroccan” you could clearly see plant material mixed with the resin heads. It was also pretty clear smoking it that it was some pieces of the plants (cannabis) that went into those lower quality shakes from Morocco. I certainly believe that you'd find the best of the best afghani in Afghanistan as you would with the very best of moroccan, it's in Morocco. Though some high quality hash were exported across the straight and north. Never did I see it laced with anything like opium though. I always had the same thoughts as you, why would they lace it with a more expensive and pretty different kind of drug?
@hempy
The Haze Whisperer
How old are most of you that live or visited Thailand or the Golden triangle because i would highly doubt any of you were there in the 70s and how much do you think opium costs in its raw form coming from farmers be it from the golden triangle or Afghanistan.
Farmers get very little for the opium they grow and unless you know the right people your not about to make your way into the areas controlled by war lords.
Farmers get very little for the opium they grow and unless you know the right people your not about to make your way into the areas controlled by war lords.
sam skunkman says he was there hempy in those years ,
and asked the growers , he posted in this thread and or your one about it ,
there was someone else also , so yes some of the posters were there ,
what year did the sticks you toke come in?? if it was the 70s it must have been the very late ones given your age ?
several have posted that the sticks and the opium were not grown near each other , the thai sticks were not grown in the golden triangle area , they were closer to the laos boarder away from burma/myanmar ,
leaving an issue with the logistics of one having to be transported to the other , in large amounts , by people who typically , and still today do not cooperate well together and certainly dont share the same businesses ,
also while im sure the opium from a farmer is cheaper than it would be retail , it is still a lot more expensive than the $3 a kilo for the thai sticks ,
lastly the guys that maintain there was opium mixed , seem to agree it was via a wash of some sort , not the pure opium itself as it would have been very visibly present ,
you added that quote yourself from dj short about the heroin wash right??
What year did you go there @Hempy?
@hempy
The Haze Whisperer
I highly doubt Sam went into areas control by war lords and the first Thai sticks i smoked was 79 the opiumated Thai sticks i saw were around until 82 i think and you had to know the right people to get them we got them from a mates uncle who was a biker.
Your post at MrNice were you posted you had smoked opiumated hash a post before that you posted saying you only smoked bricked Thai and never Thai sticks.
I saw the brick Thai also some was good but most was not as good as the sticks and the last lot of brick Thai i saw was 85 or 86 and it was real poor quality.
In Thailand Bangkok at the same time period you could still find quality Thai to smoke if you knew the right people i know this for a fact as a close friend went there monthly on business and the first thing he did after dropping his bags off was to go see his local mate and score his weed.The same friend collected the Golden Buddha line (named by the Thai guy he got it from ) just encase that is a problem to.
Your post at MrNice were you posted you had smoked opiumated hash a post before that you posted saying you only smoked bricked Thai and never Thai sticks.
I saw the brick Thai also some was good but most was not as good as the sticks and the last lot of brick Thai i saw was 85 or 86 and it was real poor quality.
In Thailand Bangkok at the same time period you could still find quality Thai to smoke if you knew the right people i know this for a fact as a close friend went there monthly on business and the first thing he did after dropping his bags off was to go see his local mate and score his weed.The same friend collected the Golden Buddha line (named by the Thai guy he got it from ) just encase that is a problem to.
@hempy
The Haze Whisperer
no i said i only saw thai brick weed in thailand ,, i said i smoked thai sticks in australia because i did ,in the early 80s
and later after the sticks dissipated we got golden thai that was not on the stick, just buds of golden goodness , very strong , more than the sticks which were a brown color ....
and with reference to the hash , we were told thats what it was , but i dont think so myself , i think it was just good hash and folks said it was something other than that because it was more potent than they were used too ..
i just repeated what i was told , but in hindsight i think it was simply hash stronger than the average ..
the brick weed was more likely from over the border of thailand and not grown in thailand ,, it is still there but not grown in country , it ranges in quality , some is quite good ...
we also saw it in melbourne in the early 90s ,
the guys called it wheat bix because an ounce was about that size,
it was exactly the same as some i saw when i went there years later , i knew the smell ...
if sam was looking at cannabis , which is what he said he was doing,
there was no need to go to the golden triangle hempy ,
he went to Udon and the provinces around there like sakon nakon , nong khai etc
the same places i spend time in when i go ,
they are not near where the borders of thailand , laos and burma meet , aka the golden triangle area ,
though there is no reason why he couldnt have traveled there , it was not illegal , one would have to simply watch where they went is all,
the same as anywhere really ...
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