Online hydro store scamming me what to do?

[el dub]

Was it verified as half-power?

Btw, I don't think a 300 watt ballast can power up a 600 watt HPS bulb at all.

Sounds to me like these guys are a couple of people trying to eek out a living off the net by drop shipping products from the mfg's. Maybe they misrepresented themselves in their ads. Maybe the Mfg did. Maybe the vendor's situation was different A YEAR AGO when you bought the products in question.

lw

 

[Bigrick31]

Was it verified as half-power?

Btw, I don't think a 300 watt ballast can power up a 600 watt HPS bulb at all.

Sounds to me like these guys are a couple of people trying to eek out a living off the net by drop shipping products from the mfg's. Maybe they misrepresented themselves in their ads. Maybe the Mfg did. Maybe the vendor's situation was different A YEAR AGO when you bought the products in question.

lw

Yes the store contacted me and said 1 of 2 power supplies are blown in each light. They inspected my lights themselves. Then they told me they repaired the lights and sent them back to the manufacturer. Had they just said hey we dont have the money to give you new items will you take your repaired lights back I would have agreed to do just that.

the HPS thing was just an analogy LEDs work a bit differently than HPS and with only 1 power supply working the leds will emit light at half power

 

[Zen Master]

Short answer the lights were running at half power. Take a 600w HPS bulb and put it into a 300w ballast that is similar to how my LEDs were operating.

a 300w ballast will not fire a 600w bulb, obviously I know you are using that as a reference however if HALF your bulbs were working than obviously its defective. If 100% of your bulbs were working at 50% power, its defective, although not as obvious. In the second instance, and second instance only, could I see you being pissed at the product like you are.

quick question, from the first time you plugged these units in, did you take note that they didn't work and send em in for warranty? i.e. less than a week after they were on your doorstep, they were in boxes on the way back.

or did you try and finish out a grow with them.... cuz thats what it sounds like.


EDIT:
since you posted while I was typing this, pretty much sounds like they were running at 50% power unbeknownst to you.

I got that from ZERO of your prior posts.....

maybe being a bit more clear with your words will help in the future? just a friendly suggestion so you/other people jive a bit better.

 

[ddrew]

I feel for Bigrick on this one, he got screwed.
Look at the the pic, big ass RV parked by the house, and you can see a pool behind the deck.
Looks like a couple country ballers to me.
Probably bought all that stuff with the money they made scamming leds

 

[Bigrick31]

a 300w ballast will not fire a 600w bulb, obviously I know you are using that as a reference however if HALF your bulbs were working than obviously its defective. If 100% of your bulbs were working at 50% power, its defective, although not as obvious. In the second instance, and second instance only, could I see you being pissed at the product like you are.

quick question, from the first time you plugged these units in, did you take note that they didn't work and send em in for warranty? i.e. less than a week after they were on your doorstep, they were in boxes on the way back.

or did you try and finish out a grow with them.... cuz thats what it sounds like.


EDIT:
since you posted while I was typing this, pretty much sounds like they were running at 50% power unbeknownst to you.

I got that from ZERO of your prior posts.....

maybe being a bit more clear with your words will help in the future? just a friendly suggestion so you/other people jive a bit better.

I apologize if I was not specific enough. I wasnt actually trying to not go into too much details about the situation I was more just trying to get advice as to what I should/could do so that is why I was not as clear as I could have been with my initial posts.

To try and clear things up 100% all of the LEDs were on and emitting light but at half power. I have no idea if they came to me like that or if the power supplies went out over time. When I was using them to grow I attributed the small buds on my plants to me being a noob until I decided to try my luck with a 600w HPS. Also it was getting cold in my room at night so I figured I could use the extra heat from the HPS to heat up my room rather than using a heater. Thats when I noticed a big difference between the plants under the LEDs and the ones under the HPS. I then took similar plants cut from the same mother to test the 6 LED fixtures against my 1 HPS. The end results were no where near close and that is when I contacted the store and told them about my experience and asked them if it was possible that my lights were some how defective. The rest of the story you guys already know.

 

[Zen Master]

well then I'd have beef with the manufacturer and bring up the warranty with them, the hicks drop shipping grow gear are just the middlemen.

hope it works out for you. What brand were they?

 

[accessndx]

The BBB doesn't suggest to people they should file for bankruptcy. They're not lawyers and not qualified to give that sort of advice.

They're a voluntary certification group........operative word being voluntary. Everyone in the BBB gets invited in after having a reputable business for a few years. They pay some nominal fee and agree to abide by the BBB by-laws.

They at best accumulate information about companies that are reputable, and will mediate issues between BBB businesses and other BBB businesses.

You can call them and they'll take your complaint, if the company you're dealing with is a member of the BBB, I presume they'll investigate to some extent (with whatever weaksauce powers they possess). They can't force the hand of that business....the worst thing they can do is remove them from the BBB list of "good businesses".

Don't know if the people you bought from are a BBB business, doesn't look like it with all the hillbilly/above ground pool action.....but if you did there's little or no recourse.

Once again, they don't provide.....can't provide....and wouldn't provide legal advice about bankruptcy. If they did, they'd be legally culpable.....and responsible for any adverse outcome of their advice.

They're about as effectual as a limp cock in a brothel.

 

[Bigrick31]

The BBB doesn't suggest to people they should file for bankruptcy. They're not lawyers and not qualified to give that sort of advice.

They're a voluntary certification group........operative word being voluntary. Everyone in the BBB gets invited in after having a reputable business for a few years. They pay some nominal fee and agree to abide by the BBB by-laws.

They at best accumulate information about companies that are reputable, and will mediate issues between BBB businesses and other BBB businesses.

You can call them and they'll take your complaint, if the company you're dealing with is a member of the BBB, I presume they'll investigate to some extent (with whatever weaksauce powers they possess). They can't force the hand of that business....the worst thing they can do is remove them from the BBB list of "good businesses".

Don't know if the people you bought from are a BBB business, doesn't look like it with all the hillbilly/above ground pool action.....but if you did there's little or no recourse.

Once again, they don't provide.....can't provide....and wouldn't provide legal advice about bankruptcy. If they did, they'd be legally culpable.....and responsible for any adverse outcome of their advice.

They're about as effectual as a limp cock in a brothel.

Trust me i was surprised when I got the email from the greenleaf saying the BBB said to file for bankruptcy it could very well be the store trying to bide their time. Basically small claims isnt going to make the store pay me back so I dont see any reason to go that route at the moment im just trying to do everything I can to get them to pay me back without actually flying out there and taking them to court.

 

[Strainhunter]

Bigrick31 if I were you I would take what I can get w/o too much of a headache and move on.

With the amount of lights you bought you'll easily get that back with your next grow using traditional HID lights from a brick and mortar store or one of the established online dealers.

 

[SOTF420]

Pretty much what you can expect in general with cheap mass produced chinese LED's, the same ones being peddled by x before her gracious exit from ICM had the same basic crappy components in them, in fact 95% of them are the same bullshit in different exterior shells all coming from the same factories in China and they suffer from poor output, the wrong spectrums, no proper thermal management, and electrical components that are way out of spec then the list goes on like tiny 1 watt LED's that have very poor penetration. Some of these things are a real fire risk so be glad you did not burn down your house with those pieces of shite! If people are buying LED growlights I seriously recommend they know exactly what they are buying before diving in head first!

 

[el dub]

My take on their comment about the BBB.....

They might have simply been relaying the fact that bankruptcy would be an option they would be willing to explore if you decided to hold them culpable for faulty product you purchased.

I'm guessing the part about the BBB recommending bankruptcy was thrown in as their tongue in cheek response to you threatening to sic the BBB on them.

lw