Oldtimer's Haze

[dubi]

Having parsed this thread extensively I think it will be a real difficult challenge for me to grow these indoors correctly but I will try. This being said, if one can't grow OTH indoors, what would be the haze hybrid that is theclosest to OTH effects but more indoor-friendly ?

FeelHaze is correct, you want be disappointed with Panama Haze fem with Panama Goddess. Strong OTH dominance. Excellent yields and vigor, great indoor adaptability. Unbeatable Central American sativa experience. An ACE classic, and still favorite for many in the camp.

Vigorous growth on your girl after 15 days How is she doing @FeelHaze ?

 

[dubi]

Welcome to ICmag @Sensumhor and thanks for choosing Oldtimer's Haze and for sharing your tropical sativa adventure with us Glad to see you got one Oldtimer's Haze female outdoors this outdooors season about to start to flower. The Laotian is beautiful really crazy lanky in growth, probably a bit too much shade from next the bush close to her.

 

[Podenco]

Growing OTH indoors shouldn't pose that big of a problem if you use a couple of tricks. Check my kerala and kibungan topic. Or check what Chilliwilli did with kerala.

- lot of light with a lot of blue to keep plants compact, extra UVA / UVB tubes also help for this I think.
- small pots at first, start flowering in small pots and then repot.
- give plants time to sexually mature before flowering, just cut them back in combination with LST. Or use clones, I personally do not use clones cause seed plants adapt better to my warm and highly ventilated (because of strong lights) conditions as they can grow the optimal root-leaf ratio from the start. Clones are more delicate (they burn easily under UV tubes too).
-minimal fertiliser.
-use long dark periods for flowering, I start with 10 hours of darkness and go to 14-15 hours of darkness in steps of 7-10 days.

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[Lebanizer]

Growing OTH indoors shouldn't pose that big of a problem if you use a couple of tricks. Check my kerala and kibungan topic. Or check what Chilliwilli did with kerala.

- lot of light with a lot of blue to keep plants compact, extra UVA / UVB tubes also help for this I think.
- small pots at first, start flowering in small pots and then repot.
- give plants time to sexually mature before flowering, just cut them back in combination with LST. Or use clones, I personally do not use clones cause seed plants adapt better to my warm and highly ventilated (because of strong lights) conditions as they can grow the optimal root-leaf ratio from the start. Clones are more delicate (they burn easily under UV tubes too).
-minimal fertiliser.
-use long dark periods for flowering, I start with 10 hours of darkness and go to 14-15 hours of darkness in steps of 7-10 days.

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Thanks for the tips and I already use the techniques you mention to good effects, for instance with Golden Tiger v3 which has provided me with very good yield. The one exception though is the last point as I usually always flower them with 10/14 (light/dark) from the start and keep it like that for the whole grow.

 

[FeelHaze]

FeelHaze is correct, you want be disappointed with Panama Haze fem with Panama Goddess. Strong OTH dominance. Excellent yields and vigor, great indoor adaptability. Unbeatable Central American sativa experience. An ACE classic, and still favorite for many in the camp.

Vigorous growth on your girl after 15 days How is she doing @FeelHaze ?

She's doing great !

She doesn't ask for much. I don't even feed her and only use tap water.

This was her a couple days ago around day 35 on 11/13. She does have the fat pistils of the goddess and a pungent white flowers/lemony cleaner scent.

 

[Chills]

Based on my personal experience, crossing highly inbred tropical types (like in your case using Oldtimer's Haze male ) into very complex Haze polyhybrids females, such as Kali Mist and Jack Herer, which usually also include an early-flowering parent plant, produces enough genetic recombination in the cross to allow for many different expressions.

Thats awesome to hear. This six plants out of this cross gave me already so much joy, i really look forward to explore the seeds more. Jack Herer x Oldtimer´s Haze sounds also really nice, but Jack Herer tends to give me some kind of depressed/antisocial mood hangover the following day. The Kali Mist is only one step under Oldtimer´s Haze smokewise, so i have really high hopes in the effects!

Could you describe her terpene profile during second half of flowering ?

On the living Plant during second half of flowering fruity-sweet smell, highly Kali Mist dominant. No hint of Oldtimer´s Haze.
After harvest, two days hanging the smell changed from fruity-sweet to an strong appealing spice smell (that kind of smell that gives you imaginations of exotic countrys you never visited...). While processing the buds the typical OT-Haze "planty" smell was present without the sweet grandma liqueur touch, but with some kind of hops smell. Really, for me exeptional good smells, but i tend to cheer about my weedplants

How are the OTH twins doing ?

The two are the only survivors of three month 80-90% RH. I had to cut down two other promising specimens because only the died out stigmas began to mold... One had a banging flower to leaf ratio for an OT-Haze Child...

The twins (in the background)

This one has an extraordinary nice pure lime (limette) smell. The picture is from day 113 12/12. I expect them to go until end September so they come close to OT-Haze in flowering time (maybe we get lucky with some sativa rocket effects, fingers crossed)

Muchas gracias for your attention. Nice to share my experiences with you.

 

[Sensistar42]

Thats awesome to hear. This six plants out of this cross gave me already so much joy, i really look forward to explore the seeds more. Jack Herer x Oldtimer´s Haze sounds also really nice, but Jack Herer tends to give me some kind of depressed/antisocial mood hangover the following day. The Kali Mist is only one step under Oldtimer´s Haze smokewise, so i have really high hopes in the effects!


On the living Plant during second half of flowering fruity-sweet smell, highly Kali Mist dominant. No hint of Oldtimer´s Haze.
After harvest, two days hanging the smell changed from fruity-sweet to an strong appealing spice smell (that kind of smell that gives you imaginations of exotic countrys you never visited...). While processing the buds the typical OT-Haze "planty" smell was present without the sweet grandma liqueur touch, but with some kind of hops smell. Really, for me exeptional good smells, but i tend to cheer about my weedplants

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The two are the only survivors of three month 80-90% RH. I had to cut down two other promising specimens because only the died out stigmas began to mold... One had a banging flower to leaf ratio for an OT-Haze Child...

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The twins (in the background)

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This one has an extraordinary nice pure lime (limette) smell. The picture is from day 113 12/12. I expect them to go until end September so they come close to OT-Haze in flowering time (maybe we get lucky with some sativa rocket effects, fingers crossed)

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Muchas gracias for your attention. Nice to share my experiences with you.

I totally understand the depressed mood/hangover feel, I get that from 95% percent of thing I’ve tried Dutch related.

 

[Chills]

I totally understand the depressed mood/hangover feel, I get that from 95% percent of thing I’ve tried Dutch related.

Same for me.
Don't blame the netherlands for beeing the only openminded northerneuropean society in the 80s/90s.
Some major drug tolerability seems to got lost. Stonersports attitude and marketdynamics seem to lead us cultivating herbs that dont always do good. It was/is capitalism not the dutch.
I came to that conclusion because Oldtimer's Haze has absolute nothing of that negative sideffects for me at all.

 

[Sensistar42]

Same for me.
Don't blame the netherlands for beeing the only openminded northerneuropean society in the 80s/90s.
Some major drug tolerability seems to got lost. Stonersports attitude and marketdynamics seem to lead us cultivating herbs that dont always do good. It was/is capitalism not the dutch.
I came to that conclusion because Oldtimer's Haze has absolute nothing of that negative sideffects for me at all.

I should have specified that most afghanis used in all of those genetics being nl/afghan 1 don’t do well for me depression/anxiety wise.

The best I found was sensi star but that’s because of the lemon wood sweet like profile that sativa landrace have.

 

[Sensumhor]

Here is an update about my OTH, we had some strong wind and rains since past week and she has stand like if anything had happened. Is the first time i grow pure haze, but the smell reminds me a lot about a KillerA5Haze i grewed 3 years ago, very incensed. She is a little bit yellow, i think because she reminds on the same 15 L pot since the begining of July, maybe I should change the pot to a larger one, to allow root growing, but I don't dare because I have never changed the pot in the middle of bloom, what do you think?
On the last picture you can see some seeds, i pollinate her with a Laos male from khalifa genetics, when I will have seeds I can share them with the community

 

[ZomVee]

Here is an update about my OTH, we had some strong wind and rains since past week and she has stand like if anything had happened. Is the first time i grow pure haze, but the smell reminds me a lot about a KillerA5Haze i grewed 3 years ago, very incensed. She is a little bit yellow, i think because she reminds on the same 15 L pot since the begining of July, maybe I should change the pot to a larger one, to allow root growing, but I don't dare because I have never changed the pot in the middle of bloom, what do you think?
On the last picture you can see some seeds, i pollinate her with a Laos male from khalifa genetics, when I will have seeds I can share them with the community

You got the Laos to flower?

I had two huge plants this year, they never did anything but grow leaves.

 

[MAHA KALA]

She is a little bit yellow, i think because she reminds on the same 15 L pot since the begining of July, maybe I should change the pot to a larger one, to allow root growing, but I don't dare because I have never changed the pot in the middle of bloom, what do you think?

it can start reveg. those yellow leafs will die soon anyway.

Haze doesnt need much attentions if she's growing in a rich well prepared soil with space. Problems could start if she has been long time in a small pot, nutrient and ph equilibrium can be lost easily when growing plants in small pots and haze is sensible to it. She can be quite sensible to N overfeedings and general NPK lacks (cause of your leaf fall) so equilibrium could be a little difficult to find.

 

[Sensumhor]

You got the Laos to flower?

I had two huge plants this year, they never did anything but grow leaves.

Yes, she is in flower but with small bud without trichomes, i wil post some pictures tomorrow.

 

[Sensumhor]

it can start reveg. those yellow leafs will die soon anyway.

So, should i transplant her on a larger pot?

 

[MAHA KALA]

So, should i transplant her on a larger pot?

I don't recommend it.

 

[Perdido]

So, should i transplant her on a larger pot?

I wouldn't.
She'll finish fine that way with the small pots.

 

[xtsho]

Don't transplant. No need.

 

[OntologicalTurn]

Happy to see you growing Oldtimer's Haze again this season @OntologicalTurn
How many new females are you growing this year?

If you are experiencing problems with mold every season, then stick to tropical sativa genetics with fluffy foxtailed structured flowers like Oldtimer's Haze, and avoid anything described in our catalog as having 'dense flowers'.

Genetics with dense flowers perform best if the dry season in the location coincides with the flowering period and not the opposite.

Hi Dubi, because I like to have variety and gen z kids like their bag appeal and going for what's trendy, they don't care about the conservation of landraces, or the more intense than relaxing effects. But even so, no fluffy sativa is really exempt from the possibility of getting mold in my climate, they resist more than indicas but they can still get mold. I'm currently fighting septoria, it's my first time with this particular fungus, any advice? Do you think the oldtimers could resist a treatment with sulfur already at the beginning of flowering? Fortunately, this week the rainy season is about to end, so we expect an abrupt drop in environmental humidity that can slow down the spread a bit.

 

[dubi]

Thats awesome to hear. This six plants out of this cross gave me already so much joy, i really look forward to explore the seeds more. Jack Herer x Oldtimer´s Haze sounds also really nice, but Jack Herer tends to give me some kind of depressed/antisocial mood hangover the following day. The Kali Mist is only one step under Oldtimer´s Haze smokewise, so i have really high hopes in the effects!


On the living Plant during second half of flowering fruity-sweet smell, highly Kali Mist dominant. No hint of Oldtimer´s Haze.
After harvest, two days hanging the smell changed from fruity-sweet to an strong appealing spice smell (that kind of smell that gives you imaginations of exotic countrys you never visited...). While processing the buds the typical OT-Haze "planty" smell was present without the sweet grandma liqueur touch, but with some kind of hops smell. Really, for me exeptional good smells, but i tend to cheer about my weedplants

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The two are the only survivors of three month 80-90% RH. I had to cut down two other promising specimens because only the died out stigmas began to mold... One had a banging flower to leaf ratio for an OT-Haze Child...

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The twins (in the background)

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This one has an extraordinary nice pure lime (limette) smell. The picture is from day 113 12/12. I expect them to go until end September so they come close to OT-Haze in flowering time (maybe we get lucky with some sativa rocket effects, fingers crossed)

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Muchas gracias for your attention. Nice to share my experiences with you.

Your Kali Mist x Oldtimer's Haze cross turned out simply stunning @Chills It shows amazing, big-yielding sativa-dominant expressions with lots of vigor and desirable traits based on their appearance and your descriptions of the terpenes.

After all these years of analyzing and creating my own C5 and A5 crosses, I'm almost certain that Kali Mist is a NL/Haze hybrid of some sort, similar to Jack Herer. Both are probably closely related and share the C5 Haze.

It's been more than 20 years since I grew and selected Kali Mist from seed, and females with heavy, destroyet effects and hangover next day were quite common. I don't know whether the Kali Mist strain has changed over the years, and if so, how it is today.

I love your phrase, "that kind of smell that gives you imaginations of exotic countries you've never visited..."

That’s exactly what I feel when I smell a good Haze or Haze hybrid!

I hope you continue exploring and breeding with this magnificent hybrid!

 

[Podenco]

Don't transplant. No need.

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Wow. You have my biggest respect as a grower. Stability for months and months. What water/nutrients do you use?

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