I remember visiting a keen grower/breeder called INGEMAR - in East Nederlands - over 20 years ago - some people had said that Ingemar was the source of White Widow - in Holland - it was never absolutely clear to me if there was any real truth in the claim - - but he seemed to think that he was instrumental in some capacity or other - so was and still is a bit of a mystery to me - where White Widow actually came from -