Old 70s seeds, Elephant, thai stick, P red

[Dirt Life]

Bummer.... cold could definitely slow down/halt growth. If you don't mind me asking, does your medium have nutrients in it? I've killed off freshly germinated seeds by putting them into medium that was too hot.

Anyways, wishing you luck on your next germination.

 

[oldhaole]

Elephant

Elephant

A couple of years back I was going thru my partners old seed collection and found a baggie with about 150 Elephant Ear seeds.

Started 30 early in the season.

He keeps his seeds frozen, After 30 years, about 20% germinated. Many were just cotteldons....no growing tip. Two however did grow. This grow was two years back.

Here is one of the fan leaves.

The plant before flower. The red handled shovel is 5 ft.

The plant in flower.

Now here's the rub....should you get the Elephant to grow. You will want to wait until the White hairs turn Orange. Here are two pics of the same branch.

Not yet ready.

Now she's ready.

Elephant is a Sativa. The flavor of the weed I describe as spicy. She was the last plant I knocked down that season and went well into October. A true old school Sativa, she takes a long time to mature. The temptation is to take her early....don't.

Wait for the Orange.

 

[OLDproLg]

SHucks....

i see that all the time,seeds pop but thats it no go?
got some 2002 skunks that pop kinda funky after being froze that long...
still they do grow an i have made some fine selects from my f3's!!

good luck on the rest...keep them in the towel longer so they get an inch or 2 tall.
then plant with their head out of the soil so the shell can crack open to get light faster!

Yah i too remember the GREAT GOLD yellow as hell with black mature seeds rolling round
in all the resin sands at the bottom of the bags.....FUCK at 60$ an oz it was DANK!
THe RED was kinda hard to get really,but that WAS SPICY LIKE AN INSENCE waooooo....
color was RED/PINK with red sandy resins in the bags too....how exotic THAT WAS!!!

again good LUCK,your gonna need it..

 

[Stone Locust]

Will try again in coming days, with maybe warmer medium...? It was much cooler than towels so I'm thinking that might be the problem.

yes, temperature is very important!

 

[Corpsey]

have you ever tried just putting them in the medium and covering with plastic wrap or something similar then just add heat and light?

 

[budelight]

Subbed along for the show and to ride the waves of excitement with everyone

 

[igrowone]

this just adds some credibility, if we had a bunch of seedlings i'd be real skeptical
this is what these old seeds are like, they will have to be in the zone
looking forward to the next chapter

 

[Muleskinner]

How about planting the sprouts into soil mix instead of coir? yes I would keep temps in the low 80's until they start to grow out.

The rule-of-thumb I've always used for all seed propagation is to bury the seed in the soil at a depth of twice the seed's diameter. About 1/4 inch for cannabis seeds.

 

[browntrout]

Sand paper, hormones, heat, and fresh paper towels every day or two usually does the trick.

 

[P. Dondrub]

Thanks for all of the help everyone.

I had even less luck with the sanding and maxicrop soak then with the plain water.

Waiting on gibberelic acid.... but I'm looking at the '2000 year old seed recipe' and see they use also use hormoril, containing IBA and thiabendazole... not sure I need the thiabendazole but maybe a IBA soak would do justice.

Looking at KLN rooting concentrate ATM... maybe i'll try that.


I just got a new batch, this one is month specific... March 1973, the strain name given is 'guerrero.'

 

[wildgrow]

Got this from wiki - Guerrero (Spanish pronunciation: [ɡeˈreɾo]), officially Free and Sovereign State of Guerrero (Spanish: Estado Libre y Soberano de Guerrero), is one of the 31 states which, with the Federal District, comprise the 32 Federal Entities of Mexico. It is divided in 81 municipalities and its capital city is Chilpancingo.

It is located in Southwestern Mexico. It is bordered by the states of Michoacán to the north and west, México and Morelos to the north, Puebla to the northeast and Oaxaca to the east. Mmmaybe?

 

[killa-bud]

and here is something from here

http://www.psychedelic-library.org/high_culture11.htm

"Marijuana from Guerrero is also well regarded, but relatively few entrepreneurs are willing to venture into this wild and violent province"

to bad there isn't more info

 

[Thule]

I vote for the thaistick! It's supposedly extinct by now!

 

[OLDproLg]

Oh GODS of GREEN.....

May his seedling pop an rise healthy!!!!
im still hopin an prayin......

 

[Tonygreen]

Might have trouble breaking out of those shells.

Try this dude, pop em to get tails. dont plant them under the dirt! Put the tails in and gently moved dirt around em to keep just the seed hull head even or level with the dirt.

Now spray a bit of water on them now and again just to keep most, it will help keep that hull wet and not so hard.

A thought of what I did myself with success on Sour bubs that are supposedly hard to crack.

 

[ThaiBliss]

Just wanted to post so I get updates, and put my two cents in.

If you have a lot of the Guerrero, practice on those so you can try the Thai with confidence. I'd love to see either one growing.

I think I told this story somewhere, but I can't find it. So, at the risk of people realizing I'm an old man who repeats fewer and fewer stories more and more often, here goes.

I tried to sprout some old seeds once. I soaked them until they stopped floating, about 1 day or more. Then put them is soil. I kept them in a warm spot under lights and kept them watered for about a month before I gave up. I replanted with one fresh seed of another strain which came up in a few days. I grew that for a month, then put it into the flower cabinet. A couple of weeks later as flowers were forming on the replacement seed, one of the old ones came up.

The moral of the story: Patience. The same as you'll need if you get a Thai seed to come up and you want it to flower and ripen.

All the Best,

ThaiBliss

 

[killa-bud]

stumbled upon some more guerrero info....from an all around interesting article by dj short

Guerrero
This strain from Mexico's coastal mountains came in famed green, seeded spears and cost $60 to $120 per ounce in 1977. It had a spicy, almost wintergreen fragrance compared to the other Mexicans with a very clear head high and a most pleasant smoke. It was not as strong as most, but this herb still had a way of satisfying all its own.

There was a legend about a group of entrepreneurs who imported seed from Lebanon to Guerrero and grew the famed Lebanese Upper Mountain (LUM) from the late 1970's to 1980. The LUM was electric, psychedelic and slightly sedative as well. A unique herb that I wish there would have been more of.

The seeds from the Guerrero were medium to large in size and grey to green in color. The plants from these seeds grew similarly to other Mexican and Colombian strains: a medium to tall, bushy, productive plant. The Guerrero Green, however, is where some of the famed onion and garlic flavored bud of the Pacific Northwest originated"

 

[P. Dondrub]

stumbled upon some more guerrero info....from an all around interesting article by dj short


Good find!!

To tell the truth, the Guerreros were the second most numerous.

The most numerous is one of several unknowns. However, I am promised that only the goods were kept, and all pre-1978. So I decided to work with the first unknown. Here is some notes on what I did to five batches of ten seeds each:

tray a: deep sanding. soak in very dilute dipngrow and weak fertilizer + weak rapidstart, placed into towel with that formula. 7pm 5/7


tray b: scalpel chipped good. soaked in dilute tea, five minutes, then with dilute hormex + strong rapidstart formula for five minutes, then strong tea one minute, into towel soaked with dilute hormex and strong rapidstart. 11am 5/8


tray c: mostly sanded (one or two scalpel chipped), soaked five minutes in 300ppm gibberellic acid, then put into towels with strong rapidstart and dilute Hormex on bottom, and a top towel supplemented with a 100ppm soln of gibberellic acid

tray d: treated with tray c at first for scarification... five minute 300ppm gibberellic acid soak followed by 5 min soak in 50/50 ewc tea & strong rapidstart, dilute hormex, put in towel w/ 300 ppm gibberellic acid

t e: no scarify, soak in 100ppm gibberellic acid for 1 hour, soak in aerated ewc tea for 20 min, into 1/10 conc. hormex for 10 min, into towels with 100ppm gibberellic acid

all placed at 80 degrees F in new tupperware container.

 

[jahrastafarii]

cool man

 

[theJointedOne]

awesome thread dude