Oink.cd busted by Dutch & British pig cops

[PoppinFresh]

well the artists don't make as much money dealing with the big corporations. this is why groups like TLC can go multi-platinum and only end up with $50,000 in the bank to split between 3 people as they've mentioned or go bankrupt as they did. after paying everyone off, they get mere pennies per album. so, yeah the big corporations do rob the artists because the truth is, they don't need to shell out a lot of the money they pay for various services. big corporations should be doing a better job of protecting their investment instead of locking them into contracts and treating them like shit as in the case with the artist formerly known as prince who is now prince again lol.

artists usually get their big money during concerts. this is why some artists don't really care if your pirate the album like 50 cent will say on tv to go ahead and download. free downloads = free advertising because everyone wants something for free. chances are, the customer may be moved to purchase or go to concerts if they have free access to the music. besides, they know the corporation is already going to rob them so who cares about the chump change they receive when they can stack millions from the concerts and tours.

a lot of artists don't understand any of this so they complain thinking they are losing some large sum of money. but it's very few artists that are hurt by downloading. only the MAJOR worldwide stars would have trouble because they have a better chance of not just recouping fees but also generating a true profit.

if you're an artist about to get a record deal or already got one, learn accounting and ask for the books. if u can, control approval of funding. that's probably the fastest way to have them reject a contract lol. at least you won't get robbed if you can have more control over how the money is being spent. remember the artists have to pay back those advances and sometimes it's with interest because it's only a loan! so if you're staying in the best rooms of the best hotels and eating the best food at the best restaurant, DO NOT expect the best check when it's all over!

 

[KingRalph]

damn, always sad to see a site get taken down... and it was an information site too, they had done it right by not hosting any files themselves. that SHOULD have protected them, but not in today's world where the wolves are on the hunt for blood everywhere to support their bloodlust for millions. if you think the RIAA or MPAA or record companies care about artists, HA!

if you want to support an artist, go to their concert. that's where they get 90% of their money anyway. or "pirate" their music, and send them $5 in the mail. that's $4.95 more than they were gonna get.

the radiohead example is the wakeup proof as to how and why the dinosaur companies are ruining themselves. it's not the piracy, it's their own trash methods and trash music they pump out. radiohead could have made zilch if everyone downloaded for free... but instead everyone endorsed them, for their good music and good method, and because they knew it was the band who was getting the proceeds, not the fat cats with no talent.

the thing that pisses me off most about the RIAA and MPAA's piracy arguement is how they always say, "oh, we lost $3 billion to piracy last year!"
where the hell does that figure come from? like BadT says, he wasn't gonna go buy most of the stuff he downloads anyway! so these are people who would not be customers anyway that are getting the media. that is not "lost" money in any way shape or form, if they never had the money to begin with.

this is why most bands love P2P... it spreads their music to people who would otherwise never have bought or heard it... furthering their popularity and exposure. and people who really like their wares, buy it after the fact anyways, like BadT says he does. hence why packaging is so important now... adding things with the cd booklets... like the tool album with artwork and 3d specs... or all the goodness in boxsets, etc. give people a reason to give out their money and they will. because shit with a $100 pricetag isn't gourmet, it's still shit.

i know all too well how i would never go to the theater to see 90% of the movies i download. and for a good movie, it's worth it to go to the theater, for the sound and screen size, instead of a jittery, blurry, muffled camera version for download. there is something to be said for enjoying a movie at home where popcorn doesn't cost $10 and the couch is comfortable. this is why they're trying technology for at-home ondemand video over cable for new movies, similar to pay-per-view. 20 bucks says that gets hacked within a week of release anyways though

long live sharing.

 

[Ray of Light]

Stoner4Life: You're funny.

 

[BadKarma]

Stealing is stealing. Music or your crop no diff. I'm sure I can find someone who has less than you and wants your crop. I'm guessing its ok to steal your grow if you have a car and I have to use the bus. I mean you have a car you greedy Ba$*ard. LOL
You are a thief you just don't have the balls to go into the store and take it off the shelf. That makes you a lazy thief which is the worst kind IMO.


If it was something you owned you would all be crying like little girls about how you got ripped off.

I'm sure most of you would steal a little old ladies GOV. Check if you thought you could get away with it .

 

[endlesssummer]

If EVERY case of piracy & sharing were to stop & everyone had to buy their tunes either online or in-store then the prices would drop drastically....... period! More than anything else today the price per unit (per CD sold) has taken the biggest jump in price due to sharing PLUS the costs of the measures that recording companies are forced to take to defeat these P2P/sharing sites.
DOES ANY OF THAT MAKE SENSE?

Unfortunately none of that makes sense... they never adjusted the prices, they charged us everything they could before piracy was a problem... I bought cds when i had the money to buy them.. in average 3 a week... almost always second hand cds and a number of new ones but almost none from any major labels ( out of print soul or music from the 60s maybe ).

I downloaded a number of mp3s throughout the years and bought the CDs when i had the money to do so... so should i spent $50 on a 'rare' 'oop' cd on ebay or just download the mp3s, since none of that money will ever make it to the artist....

Live shows are still where the money is made and always was...

anyway, the industry is f*cking us over... you don't buy the music anymore you buy the right to listen to it on your cd player and nowhere else.. if they had their way you would only be able to listen to it alone and with nobody around.. unless they paid for the rights to listen to it.. the world would be better off without record labels.. there's no reason everyone can't be independent.. home studios are dirt cheap, the internet is still a great tool for promotion.

too bad about oink, there was some good stuff there... the 'donations' part will never stand up in court after oink's finances are analyzed.. but it seems they sent out the story and every news agency has just pasted it on their website.. if there were 180,000 paid members i see no reason why the admin kept his day job... I can't remember how much they received in donations monthly but it was under a grand...

 

[Guest]

Stealing is stealing. Music or your crop no diff. I'm sure I can find someone who has less than you and wants your crop. I'm guessing its ok to steal your grow if you have a car and I have to use the bus. I mean you have a car you greedy Ba$*ard. LOL
You are a thief you just don't have the balls to go into the store and take it off the shelf. That makes you a lazy thief which is the worst kind IMO.


If it was something you owned you would all be crying like little girls about how you got ripped off.

I'm sure most of you would steal a little old ladies GOV. Check if you thought you could get away with it .

Like someone said earlier. You can't just copy your crop and send it over the Net to someone without losing anything. The bud you give is the bud you lose.

Artists get only cents / sold record in bigger companies. I find that a bit disgusting with todays "music does not need to be good, just market it right" scheme. Most of the music released is just crap, in any musical genre and there is quite a bit of air in the price of a cd. I buy 99% of the music I listen at home but I support the independent labels, 2nd hand or buy files/cd's straight from the artists.

Try before you buy is more than ok, just most of the people I know who say that buys about 5 albums per year and hype stuff that they just downloaded. Why do you hype such material yet you say it's just crap and I wouldn't have bought it anyway?

I'm a student and still I find myself every now and then clicking around record stores spending 100e on records (cd & vinyl) and cursing (dj's curse) for the rest of the month.
Good music is always worth buying and you have the power to vote with your wallet so go and do it.

 

[Guest]

What amazes me is people can use the "you have a golden toilet and I don't" bullshit to excuse theft.If you were the smart one your ass would be kissing gold my friend,I strive to be more like the successful I don't put them down over their success.And I certainly dont feel success to be a reason for theft..

 

[FRIENDinDEED]

OK , HERE IS WHY THIS "CAT" IS REALLY FUNNY TO ME. . .

What if I came into your garden and helped myself to a few of your precious plants? After all they grow for free BadTicket.......

i'd give you a couple of clones, but damn man, you gotta have the whole plant? greedy ass mo fo

When I lived in NY I'd was well known @ Bleeker Bobs in the village, they were able to find nearly ALL of my obscure requests.......

isnt that the store on west 3rd street, right down the block from the from the "cage" with the pipestand in front of it? god i love that stand, got some really good pipes from there

On the rarest ocassion I'll burn a movie for a friend but they know I make a stink about that too.......

dup dup dup dup!! now now, your just as guilty as the rest of us whether you did it once or a hundred times. remember once you burn it, all of your pc info is on that disk. so that "rarest occasion" just may bite you in the ass one day player!

Yes I have a DVD recorder w/ a built in hard drive, yup I record the Sopranos, but I pay to watch it on HBO first. I consider anything I've paid for once as fair game....... I do burn some of my 'rare' 'hard to get' expensive DVDs as well, I do it for clean backups of course, but again I've paid for them already. So yes I'm guilty too and I find myself justifying it this way....... I would never BUY the Sopranos DVDs.

WOW! and that that lil " payed to watch it on HBO first" line is a bnch of horseshit, c'mon man you know any reproduction is illegal, even if its the sound of music. they even have that shyt on porno previews.

So if you do want the police policing the internet (NOBODY WANTS THAT!) then keep on keepin on brothers! You're doing a GREAT job of drawing the authorities farther into the controlling of the goings on on the net.......

if you didnt notice already , they were trying to do that once the fraud thing started, remember when people were ordering things in other peoples names, sending it to a different addy? and honeslty they were trying to police it, ever since its inception.

MY POINT: the reason i did this, is that your point is retarded since you are guilty of the same damn thing you rant about. your whole post is full of more holes that BIGGY and TUPAC put together, and i was able to do it cause you told on yourself the whole post!!! and if you all havent noticed it, thsi is AMERIKKKA, the land where capitalism is moral stature!! dont you know by now, if we want it we are going to take it, thats it, no discussioin!! and half of the BIG dogs , that are really losing out, were at some point admited HARD drug dealers or HARD drug users, so FU*K 'EM!. . . "the pot calling the kettle black" ?. . .oh really ?. . . putz

 

[vinevamp]

didn't Dylan say "if you live outside the law you must be honest" ? We need a new paradigm for intellectual property rights. I am an artist. I have a great sense of ownership toward my work...my babies if you will. When I put them 'out there' I lose control of them. The pay off is others get to share in my creativity. Finding the right balance is the dilemma. I think we all develop a moral line in the sand...I'll steal from software developers but not rock muscians, but I might copy that hallmark card.

For me, if you thought it up, made it....whatever IT is...music, painting, photo, software, brownie, plant, etc., and did not give it to me but I somehow got access to it .....I owe ya. It was yours and I took it without your input. I wish to live an honest life. I want everyone to have what is theirs...myself included. Even if I have more than you or you have more than me. Until someone comes up with a better solution, I'll just pay and expect to be paid.

 

[Guest]

OiNK article #1

Oink Admin out of jail

I won't get into this debate to much more as i see most people here realize what file sharing really is.

and so you know you can't steal my car because i don't have one, or money to ride the bus so BadKarma i'll keep my eye on that bus fare of yours!

I consider myself a Buddhist most days and god forbid if i ever had a gold toilet i would melt it down and buy food and hand it out to the poor.

The world needs more love, compassion, intelligence, and courage not gold toilets and super rich people. I say we burn the capitalist system down and plant a tree in it's place.

 

[Stoner4Life]

Say hey putz....... (friendindeed)
Yeah I fessed up to my type of piracy you stroke, while ALL the others steal it w/o paying a penny because they can. Here it is....... out of my 475+ DVDs I've burned all of FOUR! (4) of them for two different friends, jagoff.


Now, if I were to confess my sin(s) to the companies I infringed upon those 4 movies they'd likely laugh it off knowing I have bought legit nearly 500 DVDs. Now if a stroke like you were to contact the record companies & tell them you've pirated thousands of songs they'd want your head on a pike, like I do.
Get off your high horse. Stroke.

And so when you tear apart my post to poke at me you leave yourself vulnerable to reply.......

I DON'T GO to any of those sites where fvcking chooches go to steal.
You can't begin to compare what I've done (burned 4 DVDs for friends & a few of my fav shows for MY OWN home viewing) to what you and ALL the others here are doing. BTW, I bought my copy of "DVD Platinum X" (my DVD burning software) while it was legal to do so, I made SURE it was legal before I bought it. Apples & oranges choochie! YOU go to sites specifically to steal (that sorta makes you a scumbag!) w/o paying anything. I pay for my cablevision AND my HBO too, I never stole those services either when it was all too easy in the days of early sattelite dish technology.

I admitted my faults/sins to specifically show the difference between what I do & what I don't do because it's TOTALLY unacceptable. You smell like a thief, a real thief. You stink in other words. Don't bunch me in (like you tried to do) with scumbags that steal, steal, steal their music & vids....... I don't do that shyt, I buy & pay to bring that into my home.

It's good people like me and the millions of others that PAY for our shyt....... so you all can continue to steal it, because if everyone STOLE it, it would no longer be there to steal.

OK , HERE IS WHY THIS "CAT" IS REALLY FUNNY TO ME. . .

i'd give you a couple of clones, but damn man, you gotta have the whole plant? greedy ass mo fo


isnt that the store on west 3rd street, right down the block from the from the "cage" with the pipestand in front of it? god i love that stand, got some really good pipes from there

WOW! and that that lil " payed to watch it on HBO first" line is a bnch of horseshit, c'mon man you know any reproduction is illegal, even if its the sound of music. they even have that shyt on porno previews.

MY POINT: and if you all havent noticed it, thsi is AMERIKKKA, the land where capitalism is moral stature!! dont you know by now, if we want it we are going to take it, thats it, no discussioin!! and half of the BIG dogs , that are really losing out, were at some point admited HARD drug dealers or HARD drug users, so FU*K 'EM!. . . "the pot calling the kettle black" ?. . .oh really ?. . . putz

What in the FVCK are you babbling about?
The only point you have is the one on top of your head. dunce.

And BTW asswipe....... I was a hard drug dealer & user and I left that life behind over 20 yrs ago!!!!!!! AND YOU think that gives you a right to steal from ME or anyone else for that matter???????
Try coming by my crib to steal something sometime choochie. I dare ya. Go ahead, PM me & I'll send you my address & a list of all the good shit I have to steal, you already know of 475+ DVDs, 600+ CDs, high speed computer & plenty of other high tech electronics. Being as I live in the country I also own many rifles, shotguns, and pistols (yup & a carry permit) too!
America w/ 3Ks in it above? You a racist too? You sick SOB.
I'll do better than sending my addy....... I'll send you a link to 'MapQuest' for the directions to my place. Damn I can't wait, fresh meat.

 

[Stoner4Life]

Unfortunately none of that makes sense... they never adjusted the prices, they charged us everything they could before piracy was a problem... I bought cds when i had the money to buy them.. in average 3 a week... almost always second hand cds and a number of new ones but almost none from any major labels ( out of print soul or music from the 60s maybe ).

I downloaded a number of mp3s throughout the years and bought the CDs when i had the money to do so... so should i spent $50 on a 'rare' 'oop' cd on ebay or just download the mp3s, since none of that money will ever make it to the artist....

Bro, piracy has been happening since the 50s I'm sure. In the 70s & 80s it became easier yet with high speed tape dubbing on 'Boom Boxes' that everyone bought. Buy one tape & make 10-20 for your friends. Then CDs & CD burners, then the net.......
So I'm thinking that you are not realizing that over the yrs the problem has been harder to solve & yet the material has become even easier to steal. It is a losing battle for everyone up & down the line in the recording industry.


OK....... You make a somewhat legit point in the 'used' music biz.
Buy it used online & you know the artist & others in the biz will not reap any profits or payments from it.
.............................................OR.....................................................
Steal it still. By going to those sites you support the theft of all those recordings whether music or movies. By going there you are allowing the owners of those sites (THEY MAKE MILLIONS) to sell their ad space.
That Napster kid was a millionaire you can't deny someones getting filthy rich! It's just that nobody here seems to have any fvcking scruples at all if they're all willing to be recording whores to the internet pimps willing to put it out there to steal.

So in essence you all are stealing from everyone in the industry & lining the pockets BIG TIME of complete strangers who bring it to you for free.
NICE!

 

[BadKarma]

The first people affected from your theft is NOT the president of SONY its some guy who works a production line in a cd factory. YOU are not STEALING from the RICH you are putting Men with Families and Bills and mortgages out of work.

At least be honest about who you are screwing over, it ain't some rich MOFO its some poor working stiff.

You are stealing from the poor with the help of the rich. We should just call you all GW.

 

[BadTicket]

^ The guy in the cd factory will be allright. CD-r sales from 2001 to 2002 went up 2½ times and the trend seems to continue. DVD-r's more these days. CDs are getting too small. Wanna try again?

 

[endlesssummer]

Bro, piracy has been happening since the 50s I'm sure. In the 70s & 80s it became easier yet with high speed tape dubbing on 'Boom Boxes' that everyone bought. Buy one tape & make 10-20 for your friends. Then CDs & CD burners, then the net.......
So I'm thinking that you are not realizing that over the yrs the problem has been harder to solve & yet the material has become even easier to steal. It is a losing battle for everyone up & down the line in the recording industry.


OK....... You make a somewhat legit point in the 'used' music biz.
Buy it used online & you know the artist & others in the biz will not reap any profits or payments from it.
.............................................OR.....................................................
Steal it still. By going to those sites you support the theft of all those recordings whether music or movies. By going there you are allowing the owners of those sites (THEY MAKE MILLIONS) to sell their ad space.
That Napster kid was a millionaire you can't deny someones getting filthy rich! It's just that nobody here seems to have any fvcking scruples at all if they're all willing to be recording whores to the internet pimps willing to put it out there to steal.

So in essence you all are stealing from everyone in the industry & lining the pockets BIG TIME of complete strangers who bring it to you for free.
NICE!

I never used napster, i was into trading not downloading the latest britney spears or shitallica album... oink was much different. i mostly downloaded personal LP rips that never made it to cds. ( is this because of piracy, i doubt it )

piracy's wrong , obviously... and i'm smart enough to know that buying mp3s for a cent on a russian site does not make it legal.. i would never pay for anything illegal... but honestly, if i hadn't gotten into trading mp3s and finding about new bands i would have never bought 90% of the cds i have bought..

I guess not all pot smokers are alike and support it legally in the same way ( this is not a jab ) , as not all 'pirates' are alike, peg leg or parrot, though choice.

there's obviously a problem but just like the war on drugs i feel this is a losing battle....

I know that pirating existed before the internet but all i'm saying is like any business they are after maximizing profits. I can't feel right supporting DRM and restrictive licenses... they obviously lied and told the cops ( real cops ) that oink had 180,000 paid members , when that was completely false.

 

[nycdfan042]

i cant remember the last time i actually went to a store and BOUGHT a cd LOL i feel like a damn cave man at specs...or virgin lol...old...jaded...i mean its one thing to have pirated themusic in the first place..but to release it before the artist does or the label does is just horrific..im kinda glad they got shut down...this just makes good artists not want to release their best shit

 

[joder156]

You guys do realize that a majority of artists make very little off the sales of their recordings. A majority of their money they make comes from live performances.

 

[Stoner4Life]

^ The guy in the cd factory will be allright. CD-r sales from 2001 to 2002 went up 2½ times and the trend seems to continue. DVD-r's more these days. CDs are getting too small. Wanna try again?

Wrong CD factory BT. They have nothing to do w/ one another.

OK....... I've always prided myself for being able to see the other persons side of an argument which took some time to do. Here's what I think the difference is in our thoughts on theft of music.

I had to put myself in the shoes of a 19-22 yr old today to do this. Let's take it back to 1999 making me 11-14 yrs old, living with the folks & collecting an allowance. OK, I'm liking some tunes & can't afford to buy the CDs if I want to spend my $$ on MickeyDs & the new Pro Trac trucks for my board, I can go to Napster though and download them for free. By 2003 I know it's illegal but by now who's gonna stop me or Kazaa (ShareBear, Limewire & others coming soon) if they haven't already? None of my friends or hardly anyone else for that matter is being busted big time for it, by now I guess I've used it so much it seems victimless. 2007....... moving out of the house or off to college, who the fvck can afford music with so many other bills and loose ends to pay for, at this point (being as we are all here @ ICMag.com) it's either weed or pay for my music....... no brainer there I spose.
So, why should I EVER pay for my tunes is what I say.......

Man! that shit above is so wrong, although I know I hit that fvcking nail right on the head!

(BTW, any 'You' below is anyone resembling the above story, not BadTicket)
I have to tell you that it's the parents fault, if you were caught shoplifting you'd get a juvenile record & a whuppin' from your folks! Your folks should have beat/punished you each time you downloaded a song! If they had you'd of stopped that shit early in life. BUT! Instead of whupping you your tight assed folks decided it was OK for you to download your music because over time it would save them thousand$. So now your folks are complicit in this scheme (& it is a scheme) together. And down that road you went....... oh yeah, your folks might've warned you once or twice about the fines for downloading tunes & vids, but did they then in the same sentence offer to buy your music whenever you wanted some? NO! They warned you because it smelled like the right thing to do (yeah, yeeaaaah.... real parent like) and it gave them that warm fuzzy feeling inside, but the words were hollow. They also warned you so that in case the CD Police finally did show up at the door they'd be able to tell you....... "I TOLD YOU TO STOP DOING THAT!!! NOW WE'LL HAVE TO HIRE A LAWYER, WHY DID YOU CONTINUE TO DO THAT???"

thats how you & your folks have figured into thinking that music theft is AOK!

When you're exposed to something constantly w/o any punishment at all it dilutes the law & your attitude too.

So how wrong am I?

If I'm wrong then explain to me what made it OK for you to steal? How did you all start this behavior, as you argue with indignant ferocity the right to steal? After all this thread is about stealing or OINK would not be gone!

 

[Stoner4Life]

You guys do realize that a majority of artists make very little off the sales of their recordings. A majority of their money they make comes from live performances.

This has been brought up above & had been twisted into yet another reason to steal from the music industry, so now stealing is OK to keep the poor bastards who wrote a bad contract (everythings negotiable) poorer yet! I don't get it.

25 yrs ago Michael Jerkson released "Thriller" ('82) and he was the first artist ever to NET $1.00 per album sold. TWENTYFIVE YEARS AGO!!!!!!!

So I've heard PENNIES above but that # by now is dollars unless you're new to the biz.

Now if you're just starting out in the biz the record execs are taking a risk signing you, will you fizzle n flop? will you disband? die in an accident? et fvckin' cetera... Don't expect to get paid a lot in your first contract, like everyone else you earn your way up. Let's say you flop, the record company is out millions and millions of $$$ & the band is out NOTHING!!! the band sucks & it's not anyones fault but the bands....... they had a shot and BLEW IT!!! That's the way I see it.

if all those damned bands wanna stop crying about bad contracts then hire some brilliant lawyers.

 

[KharmaGirl]

Stoner4Life........Just a l'il FYI: Once yu stoop to insulting people, especially for no reason, chances are any point you are trying to make will be lost and overlooked. Debating and putting your opinion across is fine, but would you listen to someone who was insulting you copiously?

2007-1999=8
14+8=22

How on earth could you have quit hard drugs 20 years ago? Crack baby??? Don't get offended, you put those numbers out there, just curious