Occupy Wall Street: Not on major media but worth watching!

[rootfingers]

Haha dag, I believe in electing a competent congress to hash out the compromises inherent making things "fair". So really I think your question is who should be voted out and who should replace them? Also, how do we do that given the parlance of our times?

 

[Dudesome]

I am not blaming anyone, I just state the truth and hold people accountable.

The following is taken from an article from the web, google it if you wish. Pertains to a part of the Obama jobs bill republicans lock-step opposed because it would have taxed people making over a million 0.5-0.7% after the first million -

The 50-50 vote came in relation to a motion to simply take up the bill and fell well short of the 60 needed to break a filibuster. Democrats Ben Nelson of Nebraska, Mark Pryor of Arkansas and Independent Joe Lieberman of Connecticut broke with Obama on the vote. Two Democrats who voted with the president, Sen. Joe Manchin of West Virginia and Jon Tester of Montana, however, said they couldn't support the underlying Obama plan unless it's changed.

Thursday's $35 billion measure combined $30 billion for state and local governments to hire teachers and other school workers with $5 billion to help pay the salaries of police officers, firefighters and other first responders. The White House says the measure would "support" almost 400,000 education jobs for one year. Republicans call that a temporary "sugar high" for the economy.

"We cannot afford to be bailing out local governments, and we can't afford stimulus 2.0," countered Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla.

An AP-GfK poll taken Oct. 13-17 found 62 percent of respondents favoring the surcharge as a way to pay for jobs initiatives. Just 26 percent opposed the idea.

"Protecting millionaires and defeating President Obama are more important to my Republican colleagues than creating jobs and getting our economy back on track," Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said.

now you are talking politics do you hold obama accountable?


damn dude

 

[rootfingers]

Of course I hold Obama accountable for what he has done and said. What sort of question is that?

 

[Dudesome]

Yes.

wow didnt expect that

 

[dagnabit]

Haha dag, I believe in electing a competent congress to hash out the compromises inherent making things "fair". So really I think your question is who should be voted out and who should replace them? Also, how do we do that given the parlance of our times?

IMO
unless you root out the systemic causes it wont matter who you elect.

they are all bought and payed for by "lobbying" and campaign contributions.

they also tend to become of the belief over time(on both sides of the isle) that the government is the answer to the ills.

until we fix the imposed complacency and ignorance of the populace nothing will truly change.

we need to educate the 99% so they can realize there are no parties.

 

[rootfingers]

Hey dag, I don't care about your opinion and didn't read past that part.

 

[dagnabit]

now you are talking politics do you hold obama accountable?

no more so than any other president over the last 50 years...
no more so than the american people who elected them.

 

[dagnabit]

Hey dag, I don't care about your opinion!

does anyone really care about internet opinions?

 

[rootfingers]

Yes, many many do. Ever here of analytics?

 

[dagnabit]

but if you "don't care" why ask?

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

... ask them if income should be capped and they say "hell yes"...

hint - take your argument to the relevant crowd, otherwise you're just lying.

... anyone wanna tackle the question that sets fear into DB's heart?

where should income be capped in the united states?

The rest can be ignored. You apply your own context so who gives a fuck.

hey instead of actually discussing the topic at hand lets play
"you are a bad person"

Playing 'you're full of shit' getting old?

 

[dagnabit]

Yes, many many do. Ever here of analytics?

what program are you using?
you do realize data mining is not allowed here @ IC?

 

[dagnabit]

hint - take your argument to those who make the above.




The rest can be ignored. You apply your own context so who gives a fuck.



Playing 'you're full of shit' getting old?

lots of obfuscation and zero content...

par for the DB course...

 

[Anti]

Dude. it's not the corporations. It's the system that is so fucked up. And corporations only exploit that what is exploitable.

It's not guns that kill people. Its bullets fired from guns held by people that kill people. Guns only exploit what is killable.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Dagtrolleth,

Dagtrolleth,

Ever look at what comprises some executive bonuses? You have to book profit to justify expenses. When you book proceeds that aren't profit or you trade through subsidiaries that neither establish nor generate value, how much isn't the question I care to argue.

Your knee jerk side should easily understand this. If it's obtained fraudulently, I don't waste time on where the cap is. I'd make the argument to regulate accounting practices that Sarbanes Oxley was supposed to stop.

If executives get their books right, I don't give a flip how much they pay themselves. They've already proved they'll do whatever it takes to rip folks off. No need for me to get in that stew. When we get enough reformers in DC to make a difference, we'll get the reforms we need.

 

[draco]

i think the demonstrations are cool!

i saw a sign that i loved:

IF CORPORATIONS ARE PEOPLE, HOW COME TEXAS HASN'T EXECUTED ONE?

gotta love that...!

 

[dagnabit]

Ever look at what comprises some executive bonuses? You have to book profit to justify expenses. When you book proceeds that aren't profit or you trade through subsidiaries that neither establish nor generate value, how much isn't the question I care to argue.

Your knee jerk side should easily understand this. If it's obtained fraudulently, I don't waste time on where the cap is. I'd make the argument to regulate accounting practices that Sarbanes Oxley was supposed to stop.

If executives get their books right, I don't give a flip how much they pay themselves. They've already proved they'll do whatever it takes to rip folks off. No need for me to get in that stew. When we get enough reformers in DC to make a difference, we'll get the reforms we need.

i agree 100%!!!!

moving forward what should some reforms be?

for instance i suggested that original mortgage holders be required to retain the "paper" for a minimum of five years with tax incentives for holding the loan to full term.
i realize this instance is micro compared to the entire systemic overhaul needed but if we are to move beyond the bickering we should move to quantitative steps to remedy the malady.
another would be strict lending guidlines for credit worthiness.
eliminating burdensome regulation while implementing simple enforceable regulation actually designed to protect the consumer.
so what else?
derivatives regulation seems important no?
do we attempt to eliminate CDS altogether?
what about other financial derivatives?

repeal nafta,cafta,gatt,andean nations free trade,preferred status for oman and china?

real job creation?
tax restructure?


care to progress?

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

i agree 100%!!!!

moving forward what should some reforms be?

for instance i suggested that original mortgage holders be required to retain the "paper" for a minimum of five years with tax incentives for holding the loan to full term.
i realize this instance is micro compared to the entire systemic overhaul needed...

Actually it has nothing to do with your original argument which was something about limiting executive compensation.

another would be strict lending guidlines for credit worthiness. eliminating burdensome regulation while implementing simple enforceable regulation actually designed to protect the consumer.
so what else?
derivatives regulation seems important no?
do we attempt to eliminate CDS altogether?
what about other financial derivatives?

repeal nafta,cafta,gatt,andean nations free trade,preferred status for oman and china?

real job creation?
tax restructure?


care to progress?

nope.

 

[dagnabit]

nope.

it's hard for some..
certain types can only argue ad hominem.

100% bluster

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Dag... try some Arctic Storm from DGS... read your posts... laugh out loud.