Occupy Wall Street: Not on major media but worth watching!

[Dudesome]

One way to keep things viable is to keep the demands limited or vague, or to just keep it as "keeping the government out of my private life." That way, the movement doesn't get hijacked by or split by those with differing opinions, and also will prevent giving the oppressors a specific target to aim at in order to shoot the movement down until we become recognized and powerful.

I like Ron Paul. He is honest and stands by his beliefs and I respect him for that. But, I've come to realize that most of his policies are so far out of line that.......well, you get the picture. I'm still waiting for a purely pragmatic candidate to emerge, who recognizes that the left/right split is a hoax and a distraction... and I haven't seem them yet. RP isn't him.

I guess you have a stable view of freedom of your own, mate.

Yet I still believe that ron paul's idea of 100% Consitutional Government sounds just tooo good. I don't believe he can manage that. I don't believe in his 1trillion cut. That's just ridiculous. The whole financial system is about to collapse, and I bet if RP get's voted he will be blamed for the whole collapse

 

[Yes4Prop215]

props to sgt thomas....we need more military voicing their opinions.....i loved how the cops wouldnt even touch him they know it would be publicity nightmare. yet i bet if that was a regular protester he would have been hog tied..

fuck riot police...waging war on american citizens. at least they arent shooting them like at Kent, but still in this day and age in our country its absolutely pathetic what the cops do to american citizens...

 

[SpasticGramps]

A tragic irony is that these sheeple police officers are protecting the very people who are ripping their pensions off and debasing their currency (stealing). Protecting their abusers. Mass Stockholm syndrome. A characteristic of fascist countries IMO.

 

[In~Plain~Site]

Anybody a Stern fan?

Disparaging is a two way street

 

[krunchbubble]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F97t_vgN6NE

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

... A characteristic of fascist countries IMO.

Apparently crony capitalism as well.

 

[Dudesome]

Anybody a Stern fan?

Disparaging is a two way street

HAHAHA Very funny.

 

[guest86120975]

I'm not sure if this has been posted, but this is rather epic, worth watching:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGRXCgMdz9A

 

[Dudesome]

Apparently crony capitalism as well.

you could call it that... although it's more like a family than crony.

as for capitalism... i'm not too sure. I call it bureaucratism straight up.

Capital = Something physical and usable. unfourtunately banks are holding over $600 trillion of derivatives of which only 1-5% are backed by the real commodity. They are just hoarding all that worthless paper. There really isn't much capital in it.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

you could call it that... although it's more like a family than crony.

as for capitalism... i'm not too sure. I call it bureaucratism straight up.

Capital = Something physical and usable. unfourtunately banks are holding over $600 trillion of derivatives of which only 1-5% are backed by the real commodity. They are just hoarding all that worthless paper. There really isn't much capital in it.

Interesting. IMO, it's a crony system where key players move in and out of business and government. Corporatism is another term that IMO fits the bill, a system of corporate influence on legislation through lobbying and campaign donations. Lawmakers that don't play are often threatened and sometimes receive primary challenges.

William Black, one of the S&L regulators from the 1980s references crony capitalism historically and contemporary.
http://4closurefraud.org/2010/04/05/william-black-to-rob-a-country-own-a-bank/

According to Robert Ruben (link in thread) free marketeers dislike associating capitalism with fraud and suggest fraud wouldn't happen if all government regulation went away. They would have criminal fraud rot on the vine as opposed to preemptive controls. We'd still have economic fallout but the top's dominoes never fall.

IMO, enter fascism as a way to reference corruption w/o associating it with capitalism i.e. the free market.

 

[Dudesome]

Interesting. IMO, it's a crony system where key players move in and out of business and government. Corporatism is another term that IMO fits the bill, a system of corporate influence on legislation through lobbying and campaign donations. Lawmakers that don't play are often threatened and sometimes receive primary challenges.

they also call it banking corporatism.

 

[mrcreosote]

I don't want to occupy Wall St.

I want to levitate it...

OK ...Ready?

1-2-3... *someone's not trying* ...Again...1-2-3...

 

[Hermanthegerman]

Sad that my english is so bad, in germany we can say,: "Der Kapitalismus siegt sich zu Tode," what means the capitalism is winning hiself to death. So it is in germany today, like on the whole world I think, something is wrong.
In history we had a very good model, called social market economy, I was growin up with that system and i never felt like a commie. A short link from wikipedia, maybe its intresting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_market_economy

 

[SpasticGramps]

Apparently crony capitalism as well.

Same difference IMO. The corporation is the state in both.

 

[dagnabit]

don't believe the hype..

we never have had a "free market" in this country.
we have a very heavily regulated market in this country.
the ones who write the regulations are the ones being regulated.
try to start a new business and see just how "unregulated" the market is

we dont and never have had a truly capitalist system.
we have corporate socialism.
what other name describes a system wherein a company can loose it's ass on stupid investments and be rewarded with a 700B line of credit?

we need to scrap and rewrite the entire banking and securities regulatory code to be simple and enforceable.

100% of "lobbying" and 501 style donating needs to be eliminated.

now that OWS has earned a 1% style income how should the movement proceed?
501c3?
maybe go LLC?

at what rate should OWS be taxed? 300k per month thats waaay into the "evil" income bracket....

 

[In~Plain~Site]

We were told multiculturalism was at the heart of Germany's ills

Sad that my english is so bad, in germany we can say,: "Der Kapitalismus siegt sich zu Tode," what means the capitalism is winning hiself to death. So it is in germany today, like on the whole world I think, something is wrong.
In history we had a very good model, called social market economy, I was growin up with that system and i never felt like a commie. A short link from wikipedia, maybe its intresting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_market_economy

 

[draco]

very powerful.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmEHcOc0Sys&feature=share

did anyone notice the porcine policeman? i mean the one who looked like Porky Pig?

that guy looked just like Porky Pig...

 

[dagnabit]

http://current.com/shows/countdown/...thomas-on-occupy-times-square-veterans-rights

 

[Hermanthegerman]

We were told multiculturalism was at the heart of Germany's ills

Hm, multiculturalism isn´t a real german disease, a lot of so called "Gutmenschen" (left wing/liberals) tolerate everything what emigrants do or say but that wind changes in the moment. After what we´ve done to the jews and starting 2 world wars the germans lost their self-confidence. But not in building cars, machines and arms.

 

[guest86120975]

I'm a fan of capitalism. It's why the United States excelled at one point. The thing is, though, at one point, those who ran the corporations were once equally accountable to the end users or clients, equally as there were to their shareholders. We stopped making stuff, became a service economy, and started making money by pushing numbers around...on top of that, common decency toward humanity took a back seat to a narcissistic obsession with the bottom line and pulling one over on others at any cost, even if it meant practicing business in a predatory or dishonest manner, or telling people one thing and then putting the blame on them for not reading the fine print. The bankers knew what they were doing, they had private conversations about the fact that they were too big to fail and knew they would be bailed out. Meanwhile, they seek to brainwash the lower and middle class, mostly uneducated white people, about self reliance and not taking any "government handouts." They are the walking free scum of the Earth, and their time is almost up. I look forward to when Occupy actually lives up to it's name, if you catch my drift.