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Occupy Wall Street: Not on major media but worth watching!
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narko
number 1: should i really start listing crimes committed by capitalist regimes? all the wars ? people starving?
number 2: read marx if you want to talk about communism- neither pol pot nor che had anything to do with communistic theory.
It's people like you who will put these protests in the dirt. Ban people who disagree with you? Make it a left versus right thing? You sound like a politician looking to create a divide where there is none. Divide and rule is still the main control strategy in these modern times.
It's the ideologies being manipulated in such a way as to make the people squabble among themselves interminably while bankers and corporations relieve us of our dignity. They love that you pick irrelavent holes in the words of people on your side.
Who gives a fuck about Marx? Really? This is the 21st century come up with some new ideas. These days Oxycodone is the opiate of the people, get with the programme!
The fact people in the US can't mention spreading the wealth throughout society without being called a communist is absolutely mental, it's the only country in the world that i know of where socialism and communism are synoymous. This defense of the rich by the poor doesn't happen anywhere else to such a degree and it's because of leftist twats who argue between themselves about Marx etc that cause it. So easy to create divisions.
I personally like being able to buy and sell whatever i want. I don't see why other people can't do the same thing but there needs to be clear ethics built into the system so that poor people actually feel the benefit of the work they do and the way to start is by seperating the political from the corporate. The revolving door system between the corporate and political sectors is the problems and has to be stopped. You wont get anywhere telling people to read Marx or Mao.
If people want to finally make a difference then this Occupy movement has to keep growing and being supported by the 99% which is us.
The media and the whole world is watching and for once we can make a difference. Join in !
1% vs. 99%
a bit "polar" don't ya' think...
i personally am part of the 9.89%(my income bracket)
Income range Households
(thousands) Percent Percentile Mean number of earners Mean household size
$0 to $25,000 (28.22%) 0.6 1.9
Under $2,500 2,566 2.26% 0 0.23 1.97
$2,500 to $4,999 1,389 1.22% 2.26% 0.52 2.04
$5,000 to $7,499 2,490 2.20% 3.48% 0.39 1.76
$7,500 to $9,999 3,360 2.96% 5.68% 0.33 1.66
$10,000 to $12,499 4,013 3.54% 8.64% 0.46 1.71
$12,500 to $14,999 3,543 3.13% 12.18% 0.50 1.84
$15,000 to $17,499 3,760 3.32% 15.31% 0.67 1.99
$17,500 to $19,999 3,438 3.03% 18.63% 0.73 2.10
$20,000 to $22,499 4,061 3.58% 21.66% 0.84 2.11
$22,500 to $24,999 3,375 2.98% 25.24% 0.79 2.14
$25,000 to $50,000 (26.65%) 1 2.5
$25,000 to $27,499 3,938 3.48% 28.22% 0.93 2.21
$27,500 to $29,999 2,889 2.55% 31.70% 1.01 2.30
$30,000 to $32,499 3,921 3.46% 34.25% 1.12 2.38
$32,500 to $34,999 2,727 2.41% 37.71% 1.17 2.39
$35,000 to $37,499 3,360 2.96% 40.12% 1.22 2.36
$37,500 to $39,999 2,633 2.32% 43.08% 1.25 2.49
$40,000 to $42,499 3,378 2.98% 45.40% 1.31 2.46
$42,500 to $44,999 2,294 2.02% 48.38% 1.38 2.60
National Median $44,389 50.00% 1.35 2.57
$45,000 to $47,499 2,700 2.38% 50.40% 1.39 2.60
$47,500 to $49,999 2,371 2.09% 52.78% 1.49 2.62
$50,000 to $75,000 (18.27%) 2 3
$50,000 to $52,499 3,071 2.71% 54.87% 1.46 2.60
$52,500 to $54,999 2,006 1.77% 57.58% 1.58 2.72
$55,000 to $57,499 2,420 2.13% 59.35% 1.61 2.75
$57,500 to $59,999 1,786 1.57% 61.48% 1.70 2.87
$60,000 to $62,499 2,566 2.26% 63.05% 1.63 2.82
$62,500 to $64,999 1,774 1.56% 65.31% 1.79 2.89
$65,000 to $67,499 2,101 1.85% 66.87% 1.81 2.93
$67,500 to $69,999 1,637 1.44% 68.72% 1.74 2.80
$70,000 to $72,499 1,978 1.74% 70.16% 1.77 2.88
$72,500 to $74,999 1,413 1.24% 71.90% 1.82 3.00
$75,000 to $100,000 (10.93%) 2 3
$75,000 to $77,499 1,802 1.59% 73.14% 1.82 2.95
$77,500 to $79,999 1,264 1.11% 74.73% 1.98 3.04
$80,000 to $82,499 1,673 1.47% 75.84% 1.89 3.01
$82,500 to $84,999 1,219 1.07% 77.31% 1.97 3.10
$85,000 to $87,499 1,418 1.25% 78.38% 1.94 3.00
$87,500 to $89,999 984 0.86% 79.63% 1.98 3.03
$90,000 to $92,499 1,282 1.13% 80.49% 1.95 3.03
$92,500 to $94,999 917 0.81% 81.62% 2.17 3.25
$95,000 to $97,499 1,023 0.90% 82.43% 2.06 3.29
$97,500 to $99,999 846 0.74% 83.33% 2.12 3.33
$100,000 or more (15.93%) 2 3
$100,000 to $149,999 11,940 9.89% 84.07% ca. 2 ca. 3
$150,000 to $199,999 3,595 3.17% 93.96%
$200,000 to $249,999 1,325 1.37% 97.13%
$250,000 and above 1,699 1.50% 98.50%
wikki for better format
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States
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guest8905
dagnabit, i think most people find it really disheartening to know that the people and companies that are reaping the most profits are paying a smaller % of tax that those with much much lower incomes..
imo fuc& voting
fuc& voting...
vote with your dollar, be real and true.
self sustainability should be every ones goal in this time.
imo fuc& voting
fuc& voting...
vote with your dollar, be real and true.
self sustainability should be every ones goal in this time.
ZoSo
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I was in Phoenix on Saturday. Tons of people there. It was awesome.
I don't see this movement dying down anytime soon. It might taper off a little in the coming winter months, but we are all pissed off and we will not back down until we get what we want.
There are many different types of people involved in this, with many different demands. But I think we can all agree on one thing: Corporate influence on government policy. Get the money out of politics - make lobbying a crime of treason. Then we'll be getting somewhere.
I don't see this movement dying down anytime soon. It might taper off a little in the coming winter months, but we are all pissed off and we will not back down until we get what we want.
There are many different types of people involved in this, with many different demands. But I think we can all agree on one thing: Corporate influence on government policy. Get the money out of politics - make lobbying a crime of treason. Then we'll be getting somewhere.
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I'm really looking forward to - Occupy:The Reality show.
med_breeder
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I agree. Everything is turned into a commodity now a days.
There is a side of me that thinks 99% of the 99% don't really know why they are out there. They are out there for social reasons, i.e. hitting on hot idealistic hippie chicks.
During the Boom clinton years, they would have been at Raves instead.
I'd like to keep lobbying but regulate monetary influence. IMO, everybody should have the right to lobby their personal or business interests with elected lawmakers. With less lobbying cash, elected lawmakers would consider the virtue of interests rather than padding their campaigns with monied interests.
exactly my thought.
The herd does what it does best. the Mooooooooo thing you know
Imo the main problem is heavy bureaucratism. It's paper vs people.
Its:
Derivatives vs Commodities
Fractional reserve lending vs Inflation
Court decision vs Human being
Taxes vs Employed
and so on....
burn the fucking paper if you wanna protest. Buy some gold instead of protesting. be intelligent.
rootfingers
Active member
How does buying gold instead of burning money equal a better protest. If you do that you won't be protesting at all just playing with currency conversion.
theshredder
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google occupy x any city you think of, there will be a protest there... almost every city in america has an occupy movement, of every size. its everybody standin up for everybody else! go team
IMO, it's a combination of moneyed interests and government. Expensive campaigns have our elected officials chasing money 6 months out of the year.
IMO, a gold standard would be manipulated just like fractional reserve. Yet neither standard gave us a strong working class (nor economies that lift all boats.) IMO, it was the regulation side of the New Deal that kept the top from eating our lunch. IMO, we owe a once vibrant middle class and less bubble-prone economies to New Deal regulation.
IMO, the entire global economy would have to go back to gold standard or a gold standard America would be a bit player.
Less than eight years of a sustainable revenue system had us projecting enough surplus to tackle the National Debt. Eight years of tax cuts ruined our revenue system and we exploded the ND. Three years of continued tax cuts, two wars and part D (on the card) have tied our hands to get out of this mess.
You know there was once a country called United States of America where there was no tax, gold standard, and no fed.
The working class that you speak of didn't dominate in that country either. Small business owners were the power however.
Almost Every individual and every family was considered to be an entrepreneur. People would undertake in anything and the productivity along with quality of products was great. False marketing along with bureaucratism was weak.
That was the fastest booming economy EVER. That was a country with gold standard. That was the Laissez-faire at work.
That was a country where every liberty loving individual would migrate to.
We all know too well what happened to that country.
But if you would want to take that country back to gold standard you would need to consider one little fact....
THERE IS NO GOLD LEFT AT FORT KNOX. What a bummer
As for fractional reserve lending for gold, I don't see how it could be possible with a real gold standard.
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