Obama doubles down on his comments about marijuana saying his main concern is the cri

[supreme bean]

Apparently in Portugal where drugs have been decriminilised,there has been a reduction in users across the board.I dont know why that should be so.However It seems to support the
case for Legalization.
I think politicians need to think about prohibition .How they created the black market,and line the pockets of gangsters.
I dont drink alchohol or smoke tobacco.
The UK government Made 12 billion pounds in revenue last year from excise duty and tax on tobacco.
I smell hypocrisy ,I smell bullshit.
However,Id be happy enough to pay tax on a gram if the government took control of the
situation.
Imagine,government licensed pot shops in the UK.
A POST-apocalyptic vision of tomorrow perhaps.
ARE YOU ALSO MENTALLY DIVERGENT?WHEN I STOP VISITING THE POT-SHOPS OF THE FUTURE, I WILL BE WELL.
tobacco

 

[supreme bean]

Ignore the word tobacco at the end of my last post

 

[supreme bean]

IT has been said that the police in the US target young pot smokers because they are lazy
fuckers that dont want to deal with real criminals.

 

[Bulldog420]

You can keep your health care plans, and I love pot. All praise me.

 

[soil margin]

Not just lazy but scared. The average methhead is about 1000x more dangerous than any normal cannabis user. Then when you get to the scale of commercial crime, people peddling crystal meth for $30k a pound have a lot more incentive to become violent than people growing bud that is worth $2k a pound. Cops have a much better chance of never getting hurt if they go after greenhouses instead of meth labs.

 

[supreme bean]

ive smoked pot with a uniformed officer of the law.

 

[bonbon]

the majority of the posters who are criticizing the president for what really is a hands off or do nothing policy simply do not understand the current political dynamic.
this happens to be an election year for the senate and congress.
he has openly supported equal rights for women in the workplace...so the right wing labels him
as imposing socialism in cooperate america,he now supports marriage for the l.g.b.t. community...the right wing says that he is destroying the "moral fabric"of the nation.
he is trying to help people live healthier by giving them an opportunity to seek preventative care so the non insured are not forced to emergency rooms for treatment of their maladies,which will dramatically cut health care cost across the board.... so then,the right wing claims this is communism with hand picked death panels.
i can tell you that here in Kentucky ,where he is deeply reviled in every way,especially for being a man of color as a sitting president is considered an aberration and illegitimate.
but they sure love his entitlement programs,medical,housing assistance,food stamps,energy assistance,but since they are so deeply rooted in their cultural racism,they would vote for a white ultra conservative who has no qualms misgivings, doubts, reservations, second thoughts, worries, concerns, over stripping away all or as many of the federal government programs that has helped and benefited themselves and their families survival.
so here basically, it's all mostly about racial anxiety,then politics.they consider him a threat to the outdated perceived southern notion of their traditional white superiority.
recently he has been using executive order to implement long overdue policy's that even the republicans drafted or supported before he was elected,currently their default reaction is to object or discredit anything that he proposes(the party of no)without presenting any kind of alternative.
i do predict that before he leaves office because of his "lame duck" status,that he will issue an executive order to federally decriminalize cannabis,leaving it up to the individual states to either mandate or reject decriminalization.

 

[Jhhnn]

I think the way that the Obamites are handling legalization in CO & WA is the shrewdest move any politicians have ever made in support of legalization. Voters in both states provided the opportunity, and they went with it in a hands off sort of way. The whole states rights angle has totally dissembled his political opposition. They're pretty shameless, however, with some demanding he enforce the law, contradicting their own rhetoric. They're not getting any traction.

Obama's rhetoric is intended to get the broadest basis for legalization possible, following the successful rhetoric of coalition building here in CO. Bringing people around to the idea that it's a lot like tobacco & alcohol brings them around to the idea of treating cannabis like alcohol- legalize it, regulate it, tax it. And that's enough to achieve legalization in many more places if we're successful in CO. It's the opening we've needed since the 60's, a way to crack the seamless wall of prohibition.

Meanwhile, Obama & Holder have benched the DEA, letting it unfold as CO voters wanted it to be. I don't see that changing, regardless of the outcome of this election. People everywhere want to see how this works out, and the Obamites are enabling it.

In some respects, it's an admission that cannabis prohibition is functionally impossible in CO, given the personal growing provisions of A64. That's today, and 3 years from now it'll be even more impossible. We'll never go back. It's too good a thing for too many people, tokers & abstainers alike. It's sound policy, and we intend to prove it.

 

[stoned-trout]

I don't believe anything he says... he is so 2 faced but then again aint most in the politics/government game

 

[bigAl25]

This is a positive development at our highest elected office. There has never been a more reasonable statement about cannabis and the casual tokers, except maybe President Carter. I applaud him speaking out on the racial motivation behind our drug laws in the US. This is a very serious issue. Hoping the dumb ass Republicans in congress will lead on this issue is like believing a nasty wet fart smells like roses: PURE BULLSHIT just like the Republicans.

 

[JointOperation]

obama is a liar and should have been tossed out of the whitehouse.. if clinton can get impeached over a blow job... this dude should be jailed for alll the lies and bullshit he started over the 2 terms hes serving....

 

[Jhhnn]

Given the comments from fellow Coloradans, interest in outdoor growing from back yard gardeners is intense, to say the least. The bottleneck in that is... seeds.

Yep. seeds. They're still hard to get, particularly true breeding genetics suitable for outdoors in Colorado. Med seeds can only be produced by licensed growers, same for retail, and they've shown little interest so far. It's easy to see why, but that doesn't change the idea that it needs to be done to support the legalization effort.

It's sometimes difficult to see that Colorado's personal growers are part of a much broader ideological struggle- not just with prohibitionists, but with commercial suppliers, as well. It's not in the interests of commercial suppliers to offer us such seeds, for us to become largely independent of the market. OTOH, it's in our interests for cultivation to become so widespread, so common, so everyday that going back to prohibition is simply impossible. Outdoor growing solidifies that in ways that indoor cultivation can't match, simply because a lot more people will do it if they can.

What to do? Obtain suitable genetics, grow for seed, and *give them away*. To friends & family. To friends of friends. To people who'll disseminate them even further, our friendly grow shop people. To complete strangers at suitable events like the annual 420 rally here in Denver.

In some weird way that I can't explain, I see it as an obligation of sorts, the flip side of the opportunity we now have. Very widespread personal small scale outdoor cultivation will totally cock-block any and all future prohibitionist efforts. When there's at least one outdoor patch on every block in the Metro area & elsewhere throughout the State, we'll have changed the culture in an irreversible way. That's the whole point, isn't it?

By this time next year, I intend to have free seeds for anybody who wants them. Lots of seeds, true breeding varieties suitable both indoors & out. What other people do with them is not really my business. I'm just providing the possibilities, along with proper attribution to the original breeders. I wouldn't do it if their seeds were available here at the retail level, a level where potential growers could obtain them in an entirely legal & comfortable fashion.

What say you, fellow Colorado growers? Who's with me? How nuts am I?

 

[OGEvilgenius]

If you think for a second that Mitt would have been better for the US than Obama then I have lost all hope for our country. Our education system, your parents, and your efforts to enlighten yourself and give a shit about the hungry and poor have failed. I voted for him twice and I am proud to have done so. No president as ever brought up the racist aspect of our drug laws before, he has. That is why Europe and others think better of Obama than the Tea Party/Republican selfish pricks that they are. Man this is a growers/smokers forum and I go on a political rant. Sorry. But, Fuck it we elected the first black man president, and I am proud of our nation for doing so. Hell next we may elect our first woman president and I'll be proud we did that. Fuck old selfish white men, and I am one of them, although I'm not as selfish as I age.

Mitt wouldn't have been better. More likely, different rhetoric - similar actions.

However, there are a number of third party candidates who would have been far superior on this subject and many others.

 

[OGEvilgenius]

IT has been said that the police in the US target young pot smokers because they are lazy
fuckers that dont want to deal with real criminals.

This is true. It's been demonstrated and cops have admitted as much in interviews for studies. More so though, they also can get paid overtime, rarely have a bad incident and generally are dealing with someone who is easy to handle. Maybe even polite. A lot of police budgets are shrinking - except that the Federal government provides funds to pay for officers who make drug arrests. So you can get paid OT making drug arrests. You cannot making serious arrests.

 

[DJbigbud]

Right on target IMO...

Given the comments from fellow Coloradans, interest in outdoor growing from back yard gardeners is intense, to say the least. The bottleneck in that is... seeds.

Yep. seeds. They're still hard to get, particularly true breeding genetics suitable for outdoors in Colorado. Med seeds can only be produced by licensed growers, same for retail, and they've shown little interest so far. It's easy to see why, but that doesn't change the idea that it needs to be done to support the legalization effort.

It's sometimes difficult to see that Colorado's personal growers are part of a much broader ideological struggle- not just with prohibitionists, but with commercial suppliers, as well. It's not in the interests of commercial suppliers to offer us such seeds, for us to become largely independent of the market. OTOH, it's in our interests for cultivation to become so widespread, so common, so everyday that going back to prohibition is simply impossible. Outdoor growing solidifies that in ways that indoor cultivation can't match, simply because a lot more people will do it if they can.

What to do? Obtain suitable genetics, grow for seed, and *give them away*. To friends & family. To friends of friends. To people who'll disseminate them even further, our friendly grow shop people. To complete strangers at suitable events like the annual 420 rally here in Denver.

In some weird way that I can't explain, I see it as an obligation of sorts, the flip side of the opportunity we now have. Very widespread personal small scale outdoor cultivation will totally cock-block any and all future prohibitionist efforts. When there's at least one outdoor patch on every block in the Metro area & elsewhere throughout the State, we'll have changed the culture in an irreversible way. That's the whole point, isn't it?

By this time next year, I intend to have free seeds for anybody who wants them. Lots of seeds, true breeding varieties suitable both indoors & out. What other people do with them is not really my business. I'm just providing the possibilities, along with proper attribution to the original breeders. I wouldn't do it if their seeds were available here at the retail level, a level where potential growers could obtain them in an entirely legal & comfortable fashion.

What say you, fellow Colorado growers? Who's with me? How nuts am I?

 

[Behind_The_Mask]

LOL obamas lips are moving so its 1 of 2 things....

He is LYING

Or

HES NOT TELLING THE TRUTH


I For one cannot wait for the GOV to get into marijuana and FIX it just like obama FIXED healthcare. GOV just sees $$$$

 

[Sóley]

Yesterday was an uncomfortable day for U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder. Thanks, as usual, to the country's ongoing struggle with cannabis.

Holder appeared in front of the House Judiciary Committee, where members attacked him on marijuana -- and from all sides.

Republicans bashed Holder for last summer's Cole Memo, in which the federal Justice Department said -- for at least the second time -- that they wouldn't enforce the Controlled Substances Act in states that had legalized marijuana as long as they followed a specific set of rules.

Meanwhile, Democrats took Holder to task for keeping marijuana a Schedule I controlled substance. Isn't putting pot in the same class as heroin and LSD -- and ruling marijuana not as dangerous as cocaine or methamphetamine -- just plain silly?, they asked.

No, Holder responded, it's not silly at all.

Yesterday's four-hour hearing was as good a microcosm of the paralyzing polemics that have seized up the gears of government in Washington.

On one hand, you had fresh-faced U.S. Rep. Jason Smith (R-MO) who wanted Holder to explain why the feds don't bust every pot smoker in the land "Would you have us prosecute every marijuana possession case that exists in the United States of America? Would you have us do that?" Holder shot back in response, according to POLITICO.

And in the other corner, you had U.S. Rep. Steve Cohen (D-TN) and his questioning of marijuana scheduling. Long a problem with drug war opponents and followers of "science" alike, keeping cannabis a Schedule 1 controlled substance also stifles research into the drug.

The federal government has so far successfully fended off petitions to reschedule filed in the courts -- but, as Cohen pointed out, Holder could make a move right now to remove weed, which seems to have loads of medical benefits, from the list of drugs that have no medical benefits and are addictive.

Here's how it went down, POLITICO reported:

"In my humble opinion -- and, I think, the majority of people in this country -- there's no way that marijuana should be Schedule I, because it's not in the same class as heroin, as is LSD," Cohen said. "There are certainly medical bases...for multiple sclerosis, for children with epilepsy and seizures, and so it has medical benefit. Schedule I says no medical benefit. Well, that's just fallacious. ... Why will you not act?"
Cohen said it was strange that Obama administration has proudly taken executive action on immigration, environmental and labor policies, but not on reclassifying marijuana.

"Why won't the administration act with the pen and the phone to help people out?" the congressman asked.

"I think we actually have acted in a responsible way," Holder replied.

When Cohen said it was "obvious" that marijuana was miscategorized, the attorney general gave an answer that captured the disparate views on display at the hearing.

"What's obvious to one perhaps is not obvious to another," Holder said.

http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2014/04/ag_holder_defends_classifying.php


Anti-Science.

 

[Betterhaff]

They still think marijuana is a political hot potato…and of course they are at first, politicians. They better start waking up as more and more states start legalizing by the will of the people.

 

[Jhhnn]

Meanwhile, the real story is unfolding here in CO, thanks to Obama & Holder saying whatever they have to say for that to continue. We're giving them the proof they need to come out in support of legalization entirely.

Not too far down the road, they'll say "Look at Colorado. Marijuana has been legal there as an experiment for all this time, and nothing bad has happened. In fact, a lot of good things have happened. We don't want to force people to do anything, so we're leaving it up to the States, moving marijuana from schedule 1 to schedule whatever so that they can make their own choices."

Cue authoritarian right wing raving when that happens.

Mitt? One of the smug-est richest righty-tighty whiteys who ever lived? The guy who probably ran screaming when he smelled pot 40 years ago?

" I'm opposed to it, and if you elect me president, you're not going to see legalized marijuana. I'm going to fight it tooth and nail."

www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&es...4ynAFopPWgCTAaTPJD9ck_A&bvm=bv.64764171,d.aWc

I'll take him at his word.

Hate-Um Obama? In CO, we're very fortunate indeed that he's in the White House, and we're counting our blessings.

 

[bentom187]

The problem is easy to solve. End the war on drugs. Raise your kids to be critical thinker's.

RP had him beat by a few years, but talking truth and common sense just wont get you to the white house.

Ron Paul on racist drug laws ABC NH Republican Debate
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We had our chance to elect a political unicorn. I wrote him in , instead of voting for Nazi R or Nazi D.