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O.G. kush mystery Solved!!??!

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DIDM

Malaika
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yep, what HT prints is pure truth


hehuah



most likely scenario

someone on the west coast from SF to Seattle was growing some unreal herb and it was getting distributed far and wide by folks who specialize in that sort of thing. As we all know, plants are finicky, stress can do odd things, and in a grow one or more plants shemaled creating fem seeds, and most likely, a few, far and in between, males

you can cross the T's and dot the I's from there

bagseed

yep, the most sought after strain on EARTH is a bagseed, that was then hit with CS or again hermied and more seeds came into play

not sure how clear it has to be, lots of the pot being smoked as clone only were bagseed starts

pop them fucks damn you
 

DIDM

Malaika
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Bubblegum ... Kush?

The idea that OG often seems like a cross of these two seems possible to me. I found my sour bubblegum clone mom in my Bogbubble. It is an OG type but I think it possible others came from the same roots.

Some OG has a funk a bit like pre '98 bubba kush but not all. Where did all the good skunk of old in Cali go? It was powerful with dark green bitter leaves but very good potent buds that were often quite frosty. Man it stunk. Did it have the cat piss smell in curing?


this is the easiest question to answer EVER BOG, come on now

think back 20+ years, who in the fuck wanted a strain that would get them busted just because it stunk so bad

why do you think sweet skunk is all you can find? RKS was breed out, due to issues with the police smelling your crop across town, and the guys who had it tossed it or wound up jailed for it and the pigs tossed it


here is a saying that puts it in perspective

not mine BTW

I remember when sex was safe and growing pot in California was sketchy

times change, now a days you drive out of the city in early September in N Cali and all you smell is happiness, but no real deal RKS unless you are lucky
 

pappy masonjar

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Some folks who were there in those days have suggested that it wasnt just the stink, and lack of good odor filteration, that caused the rks to stop being grown. Its been said the high wasnt nothin great and people were stoked on new candy, sweet tastin weed. But in todays age of, "who's shit is the loudest", everybody wants it. Including me. And, i love skunky ass weed so id like to see for myself.
 

DIDM

Malaika
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Some folks who were there in those days have suggested that it wasnt just the stink, and lack of good odor filteration, that caused the rks to stop being grown. Its been said the high wasnt nothin great and people were stoked on new candy, sweet tastin weed. But in todays age of, "who's shit is the loudest", everybody wants it. Including me. And, i love skunky ass weed so id like to see for myself.

at that time typical skunk was very sativa, the candy was coming out out the ME, mostly Indica, the ME is full of every variety

those looking for a fast and "quick" buzz chose Indica, those that wanted to trip off herb chose sativa

none were wrong, just a clear difference was shown, in flavor and stone, it is still amazing to me, that variety one plant holds, from burnt rubber to the sweetest cherries or grapefruit
 

pappy masonjar

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at that time typical skunk was very sativa, the candy was coming out out the ME, mostly Indica, the ME is full of every variety

those looking for a fast and "quick" buzz chose Indica, those that wanted to trip off herb chose sativa

none were wrong, just a clear difference was shown, in flavor and stone, it is still amazing to me, that variety one plant holds, from burnt rubber to the sweetest cherries or grapefruit

the guy i was talkin about said the rks was a cannabanoid antagonist. Im not sure exactly what that means, but i know what those 2 words mean. And it dont sound great. He also made another great point: its human nature to want what we dont have. Everyone knows when you think back on something nostalgically, its human nature to only remember the positive aspects. What he said kinda makes sense. If the RKS was that great, nobody, not one person kept a clone or kept it alive through seed? I mean theres prolly a few heads with it, but if it was this mystical unicorn, it would be around more likely. But now im just talkin shit and gettin way off topic.
 

luk e bag

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OG What?

OG What?

So heres the deal. There are only so many places in the world with wild potent cannabis. Equatorial varieties in Africa and Asia and mountain kushes from the Himalayas. There is a possibility that two separate nearly identical phenos existed in both Florida and Cali, but I'm fairly confident that OGK as we know it originated in SFV and Simi Valley. I have the "triangle og" and have had ghost, sfv, tahoe, poison, xxx, larry, $100, SAC 1, 2 and 3 etc. The current triangle cut is amazing and definitely an og but I had never seen or heard of a fl "triangle" cut other than Kromes white back around 2006 which isn't an og. I think saying the triangle og cut was from FL is just a sales pitch to make someone's new og pheno sound elite.
I also have no idea who Wendell is but the Granada Hills cuts I got late 90's were the Bubba and two distinct og kush cuts. He obviously had them and knows what he is talking about.
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Pre-Swerve, Pre-Rascal, Pre-Orgnkid! The flowers went for $5000/$6000 every time and back then the bubba was actually the most popular. I remember the gh og/bubba flowers well and this was before all the "og" monikers today, but there are og's that pre date the gh crew strains. The "ocean grown" story has nothing to do with og and more to do with bubba.
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Back in HB and South Orange County 1994-96 the "magooey" cut went around to a few choice growers. This became the original bubba in the valley and was also held by Larry; which makes me question Larry OG. I think he got an s1 seed of the Granada Hills og post 2003. The crazy amazing original og cuts were not called og's but were out as early as 93. They had the distinct lemon pinesol funk and the "dankest of all time" cut that spawned Rascals fire and the original skywalker was Uncle D's $20000 1996 cut from Simi Valley not SFV. This cut is still held tightly and many random s1's and f1's have been made from it. What I can say is there was og in the valley prior to the introduction of chemdawg and I was smoking valley og at a Grateful Dead show in Vegas circa 95. In my opinion those 2 or 3 cuts spread out to make
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tahoe, larry, ghost, poison, xxx, skywalker, fire, diablo, etc, etc etc. If there are separate Fl and Cali "og" cuts that originated at the same time and have almost identical characteristics then perhaps the strain we all know and love is just the result of crossing a great equatorial sativa with a potent mountain indica and getting that funky pheno. Maybe its time to DNA test our ladies??
 

mack 10

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^ interesting post, you know your old heads.
Love to get my hands on that Uncle D superkush cut.
doubt i'd ever drop 20 K on a cut though....
mack.
 

frankenstein2

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The awesome part about all this is people around my parts bitch when they are charged $25 per clone, and i'm the only one that has access to them, cause they come from my plants. Wait till I tell these fuckers dudes back in 00' were paying 5-10 grand!!!!!!!!!
 

pappy masonjar

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So heres the deal. There are only so many places in the world with wild potent cannabis. Equatorial varieties in Africa and Asia and mountain kushes from the Himalayas. There is a possibility that two separate nearly identical phenos existed in both Florida and Cali, but I'm fairly confident that OGK as we know it originated in SFV and Simi Valley. I have the "triangle og" and have had ghost, sfv, tahoe, poison, xxx, larry, $100, SAC 1, 2 and 3 etc. The current triangle cut is amazing and definitely an og but I had never seen or heard of a fl "triangle" cut other than Kromes white back around 2006 which isn't an og. I think saying the triangle og cut was from FL is just a sales pitch to make someone's new og pheno sound elite.
I also have no idea who Wendell is but the Granada Hills cuts I got late 90's were the Bubba and two distinct og kush cuts. He obviously had them and knows what he is talking about. View ImagePre-Swerve, Pre-Rascal, Pre-Orgnkid! The flowers went for $5000/$6000 every time and back then the bubba was actually the most popular. I remember the gh og/bubba flowers well and this was before all the "og" monikers today, but there are og's that pre date the gh crew strains. The "ocean grown" story has nothing to do with og and more to do with bubba. View ImageView Image Back in HB and South Orange County 1994-96 the "magooey" cut went around to a few choice growers. This became the original bubba in the valley and was also held by Larry; which makes me question Larry OG. I think he got an s1 seed of the Granada Hills og post 2003. The crazy amazing original og cuts were not called og's but were out as early as 93. They had the distinct lemon pinesol funk and the "dankest of all time" cut that spawned Rascals fire and the original skywalker was Uncle D's $20000 1996 cut from Simi Valley not SFV. This cut is still held tightly and many random s1's and f1's have been made from it. What I can say is there was og in the valley prior to the introduction of chemdawg and I was smoking valley og at a Grateful Dead show in Vegas circa 95. In my opinion those 2 or 3 cuts spread out to make View Imagetahoe, larry, ghost, poison, xxx, skywalker, fire, diablo, etc, etc etc. If there are separate Fl and Cali "og" cuts that originated at the same time and have almost identical characteristics then perhaps the strain we all know and love is just the result of crossing a great equatorial sativa with a potent mountain indica and getting that funky pheno. Maybe its time to DNA test our ladies??

:tiphat: This is exactly why i started this post. To hear from the cats that been around. Really good post, imo.

I also wanna say thank you to everyone who has contributed to this thread. I realize og threads can get ugly, so far ive been the only real asshole. Anyways, good job keepin the thread on track, and welcome brother!:deadxmas::grouphug:
 

ECtraveler

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Bubblegum ... Kush?

The idea that OG often seems like a cross of these two seems possible to me.
Seriously? You're not going to let this go? The idea that OG is derived from Bubblegum is something your imagination running wild.
 
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pappy masonjar

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Seriously? You're not going to let this go? The idea that OG is derived from Bubblegum is an idea that's only possible in your mind. It is beyond bewildering that you continue to ignore the fact that is chronologically impossible.

Why do you say chronolgically impossible? I thought bubblegum was 70's indiana bud, and kush is even older. So why couldnt they have crossed paths in the late 80's? I personally dont think thats what og is, but i really dont have a clue. I thought people used to say bubblegum x kush= bubba kush. But anyways, i would be intrested why you say, "chronologically impossible"?:)
 

ECtraveler

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because the 2nd part of the claim is that it came from his bubblegum. But your right improbable would of been a much better choice of words than impossible.

In all these years the only mention of such a possibility is coming from the 1 person standing to financially prosper if such a story were true. IMO it is as transparent as it is dishonest and saddens me that it is coming from someone I once had an immense amount of respect for.
 

Hash Zeppelin

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because the 2nd part of the claim is that it came from his bubblegum. But your right improbable would of been a much better choice of words than impossible.

In all these years the only mention of such a possibility is coming from the 1 person standing to financially prosper if such a story were true. IMO it is as transparent as it is dishonest and saddens me that it is coming from someone I once had an immense amount of respect for.


OG, and Bubblegum could have very well came from the same indica seed stock for all we know. B.O.G. was on Overgrow.com which is the place O.G. kush was first really ever showcased. Strain spreading like johnny Apple seed was very common on overgrow.... hence the name.... lol. It does not matter though B.O.G.'s strains stand on their own two legs. He has no reason to make any false claims.
 
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I freely admit I could be wrong and apologize in advance if it's ever proven to be true but every story I personally feel credible predates overgrow (and the internet) and that the people holding it weren't needing or wanting the attention.
 

Cannavore

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Hasn't Neville said Bubblegum is just NL x Big Bud? And it likely originated from him?

The only people who think Bubba is Bubblegum x OG are the people who buy Greenhouse Seeds.
 

BushyOldGrower

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I really don't claim anything. You see similarities in many strains.

I remember the .ECSD clone selling like two of them for twenty k! There was a big stink over Friend,y .friend selling .rezdogs clone.

I have never sold a clone. Given a lot away though.

My only claim was in regard to a guy at OG who I gave my seeds too. He sent me his OG clones and his OG seeds. Forgot his name but he got a lot of credit for the first OG Kush I had heard of at that time. I should gro those seeds...

Most of the OG's are very nice and I like good headband. Bog
 
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