not sure what to do

[sproutco]

Sprout...your advice was to give full strength veg ferts.

240 ppm nitrogen is what I would apply once. But you can try 100 ppm and see what happens. Either way there should be an improvement. His ferts have little nitrogen.

 

[kokua]

you want him to dose at full strength veg ferts??? They are N deficient...no doubt about that, but a heavy dose of N will not do much now bro...but make his buds taste like shit.

Hey Five...I have grown cannabis for a while now, and I know from personal experience that if you dose your plants with a heavy feed of N right now, it will do nothing but make your buds taste green. Dose once or twice with Tiger bloom for flower ferts and try one of the carb products for N replacement...you will have a much tastier, much more fullfilling crop than if you add full strength veg ferts as per sproutco. Just my experience from growing, harvesting, and smoking lots of fine quality buds...something sproutco knows nothing about

Hey sproutco...can you name my deficiency??

 

[sproutco]

Dose once or twice with Tiger bloom for flower ferts and try one of the carb products for N replacement...

What strength should he use?

 

[B.C.]

my 2 cents

my 2 cents

The first pics.looks like micro nute burn: crispy edges and nec.spots on the leaves,.I agree about the lack of N though.Jus use some grow along with twice as much bloom and you'll have no problems with flower retardation.If ya do get TB, MIX IT with the big bloom and you won't have to worry about the ph of the TB this is how FF intended for it to be! And btw I've ran plants many times from begining to end with Big Bloom only,maybe a touch of grow, but that's it.Don't let the numbers fool ya.I think the spots on the leaves in this case are from the ratio of nutes to micro-nutes.(go back and read the post of what they were fed.) I'm no expert...but I've been through it before...Good luck,and take care...BC

 

[B.C.]

2 more cents... lol

2 more cents... lol

One very important thing to mention is I don't see a fan. This is very important. This might be why your stems look so thin besides the fact that this plant is under ferted. Also how are you getting any fresh air in your closet, this is also very important. Even just a little bit of fresh air just while the lights are on is better than nothing.

>calmag+ instead of ff tigerb?
No get the tiger bloom. Sproutco is just saying to give your plant a dose of calmag. I have never used the calmag product so just follow the instructions on the packaging or do a search on this forum. I usually just use epsom salts and give 2 tspns once during veg and another 2 tspns during flowering unless they need more, but calmag is the right way to go. Also do yourself a favor and pick up some ph up at the hydro store you will need it when using tiger bloom.

>my runoff is a solid 6.5-7, good?
Usually anything between 6-7 is good but I always try and shoot for 6.2-6.5, it seems to be the magic number for me. At a ph of 6 and I start to see some deficiencies and anything above 6.8 and I have problems also.

>i upped the feed and tryed a foliar feed to hold over till next watering.
what did you feed with, hopefully tiger bloom?

>now im flowering under a 250w metal halide
metal halide is good for veg but not for flower. I have no experience with metal halide I use a 250 watt HPS but I hear MH can be used for flowering, it will just take longer for your plants to finish. I have read about conversion bulbs. I know they make HPS to MH conversion bulbs, not sure about the other way around. I would check into this if I were you.

For heaven sakes don't use anymore micro-nutes!as far as ph goes IN SOIL 6.5-7 is ideal although it will handle a wider range because of the buffering quality of the soil.If yer water is around 7 don't worry about ph-ing it,that's fine.Also flowering with a MH will not take any longer than a Hps.That's a myth.Many years ago there were no HPS',only MH to grow with(so I've used both).The HPS is jus 30% more efficient ta run.They do make a conversion bulb mh to hps but they aren't very efficient,you lose a lot of lumens in the conversion.Hope this clears up a few things for ya's.Later,BC

 

[kokua]

What strength should he use?

I would suggest starting with ½ the dose the label says, and watch the plant from there. IF they like it and everything is groovy, I might up the dose a bit the second go around. I would probably go with something like 2 teaspoons per gallon of Tiger bloom and 1 tablespoon of BigBloom, with special attention given to the pH. It should stay somewhere between 5.8 and 6.3. I would feed this strength once a week with only water in between feedings up until you decide to flush. And again, go grab yourself one of the carbohydrate products…there a lot available, that will supply some of the energy your plant needs to finish strong with the lack of Nitrogen.

 

[Guest]

I'd say cut the thing in half, re-veg, and try again. For that much light you should be able to get much better. It might end up being more stress than it's worth, but could cut down on time to next (hopefully healthier) harvest.

Good luck!

SuperBonBon

I wouldnt do that....the stress alone from that could cause it to hermi...I 've done it in reverse with a male and have had some turn female...wierd plant huh...stay safe

 

[acidfire]

For the past few months I've been looking at Sproutco's posts like he is an expert garderner, and if it weren't for doing more info on his subjects I might have even tried his methods.......well actually that's half a lie. Battery acid on plants is the silliest damn suggestion I've heard so far. Boron is pretty out there too....it just sucks for the new people coming here because they're already confused enough about how a weed plant grows, let alone this ridiculously complicated argument about boron. Silly

I agree.

 

[CaptJamesTKirk]

I agree.

Where did jam master jaco's post go?

I like it, I agree.

 

[acidfire]

lol I copied kokua's quote.

It might be in the boron thread?

 

[five0addict]

well i went and was expecting to pay for the sweet and TB but he talked me out of it and gave me a sample pack of supernatural terra 3 pack. reccomended 1/4 strength gro terra. http://www.terraponicseurope.com/products.html
good?

 

[sproutco]

Sounds good.

 

[Guest]

I would suggest starting with ½ the dose the label says, and watch the plant from there. IF they like it and everything is groovy, I might up the dose a bit the second go around. I would probably go with something like 2 teaspoons per gallon of Tiger bloom and 1 tablespoon of BigBloom, with special attention given to the pH. It should stay somewhere between 5.8 and 6.3. I would feed this strength once a week with only water in between feedings up until you decide to flush. And again, go grab yourself one of the carbohydrate products…there a lot available, that will supply some of the energy your plant needs to finish strong with the lack of Nitrogen.

In ur experience, how would the plants come out if u feed them 3 tspn of tiger bloom per gallon of water every 3 days? i used to feed them every 4 days but then they started to wilt on the 4th day as they got bigger so i water them every 3 days now. I have grow big and big bloom also but i dont use em for flower. i only use the TB. Am i nuteing them too much?




Are they gonna taste all planty? should i just start flushing them now until harvest which i estimate will be in 3-4 more weeks judging the pictures?

 

[five0addict]

whats a good temp to keep soil at??
my dirt feels pretty cold!

 

[sproutco]

Below 68 f (20c) causes changes in the roots which could lead to deficiencies. Often wet soil will be 10 degrees f cooler than surrounding air.

 

[five0addict]

well its 70f 4inches from the top and 68f at the bottom.
i should probly get a heat pad, the shop is probly open but i dont want to spend the 10$ in gas alone to get there.
whats a good temp to shoot for?

 

[CaptJamesTKirk]

ummmmmm

five-o,,

Want in on a secret? Kinda a funny one really.


If you want a fun read - start at the begining - if not, go the the very last post in this thread, it might be usefull to you at this time.

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=762992

I think we can file root temps with sproutco's stump remover, his battery acid and his boron for your garden.
(you think I'm jokeing, huh?)

???? -- What's the temp in the room???? say 79 - go ahead say 79 - that will warm the roots plenty

you might just have a light green strain,,,,,,
and watering problems that keep contributing to leaf loss

2tsp. of TB drops my PH to crispy levels, anything over 1tsp and I have to adjust up fwiw

 

[Guest]

ummmmmm

five-o,,

Want in on a secret? Kinda a funny one really.


If you want a fun read - start at the begining - if not, go the the very last post in this thread, it might be usefull to you at this time.

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=762992

I think we can file root temps with sproutco's stump remover, his battery acid and his boron for your garden.
(you think I'm jokeing, huh?)

???? -- What's the temp in the room???? say 79 - go ahead say 79 - that will warm the roots plenty

you might just have a light green strain,,,,,,
and watering problems that keep contributing to leaf loss

2tsp. of TB drops my PH to crispy levels, anything over 1tsp and I have to adjust up fwiw

I just wanted to point out that as a new grower and new ICmag forum member i took sproutco's number of posts and scientific jargon as proof that he was the person to listen to on this site. I was naive and ignorant to believe this. Now after digging and digging i came to realize that sproutco isnt nothing more than a forum troll who knows nothing about actually growing erb. He misleads and confuses people with all that technical jargon and scientific charts but has never provided any proof or pics to back up his statements. Now thankfully i never tryed any of his rediculous remedies such as battery acid, boron and all those other way out minerals or anything that he has suggested for that matter mainly because it just sounded too technical and out of my league. Now that i have come to realize the fake that sproutco is, I take back all the positive things i said about him. I feel decieved, taken advantage, and tricked. Its unfortunate tho cuz i read alot of others posts who have taken his advice only to have their plants get even worse. Then they come on this forum to ask whats wrong and sproutco gives them another rediculous remedy and there they go listening to him cuz of the sheer number of posts, fancy charts and what not. You should just delete ur account sprouco cuz u lost all respect from me and im sure many more ppl will see u for the fake u really are.

 

[Guest]

I have had my plants outside in cold weather and they seem to turn out fine....some nights they were at freezing temps Average is 60 or colder...pics in my Finishing thread

 

[kokua]

In ur experience, how would the plants come out if u feed them 3 tspn of tiger bloom per gallon of water every 3 days? i used to feed them every 4 days but then they started to wilt on the 4th day as they got bigger so i water them every 3 days now. I have grow big and big bloom also but i dont use em for flower. i only use the TB. Am i nuteing them too much?




Are they gonna taste all planty? should i just start flushing them now until harvest which i estimate will be in 3-4 more weeks judging the pictures?

3 teaspoons every three days could add up quick if you are not carefulm U might recommend that you cut back a smidge...your plants look great so whatever you are doing is working Watch your girls carefully though, if you see the tips of the leaves or the edges start to brown then you should back off of the ferts a bit...I usually start my flush with 10-14 days, that is usually enough to flush out any bad tasting unused nutrient. Hope this helps...