I'm trying. He needs to read a book and then he needs to start over.
I agree though that some people come off a bit dickish in this thread.
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Not sure what the problem is...
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I agree though that some people come off a bit dickish in this thread.
This is the infirmary, not a job interview.
ThePhiloStoned
Member
Lol, this is quite the infirmary...for those who care, the very first thing I did was feed these plants, because obviously chlorosis tends to point to nitrogen deficiency, so they got a dose of Alaska Fish Fertilizer (5-1-1) at their next feeding, which also got PH'ed, they then got up-potted into those recycled grocery bags, each holding between 2-4 gallons of soil & I got an inkird hygrometer to keep the VPD in check, and they haven't improved at all...so you tell me what that means.
And if I need to read a book be specific, say exactly what book I need to read, because I've probably already read it, and if I haven't I will.
The generic LED I'm using is something like this, though a different wattage:
LED Grow Light Bulb
And it is really just a supplemental light for the two high output T5 veg lights (which I don't really understand why I'm being ridiculed for this early veg setup).
And if I need to read a book be specific, say exactly what book I need to read, because I've probably already read it, and if I haven't I will.
The generic LED I'm using is something like this, though a different wattage:
LED Grow Light Bulb
And it is really just a supplemental light for the two high output T5 veg lights (which I don't really understand why I'm being ridiculed for this early veg setup).
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I think your mistake was putting them straight into those really big pots. I think you would have been better off planting up one size bigger, maybe a 6 inch pot.
Sometimes it takes a few days for things to improve after a feeding, especially if the pots are already wet before feeding. You want wet/dry cycles to establish strong roots and planting in those giant bags leaves you with not much control of your medium and rootzone. That makes correcting deficiencies/overfeeding much more difficult for you.
I still say your initial problem was underfeeding.
Sometimes it takes a few days for things to improve after a feeding, especially if the pots are already wet before feeding. You want wet/dry cycles to establish strong roots and planting in those giant bags leaves you with not much control of your medium and rootzone. That makes correcting deficiencies/overfeeding much more difficult for you.
I still say your initial problem was underfeeding.
No my frustration with OP is from the prior two threads that he got a room full of great minds together and some how didn't listen or read or comprehend.
I KNEW I'd see him in the infirmary. I almost started a betting pool, but thought it rude.
I've provided an endless array of information to be told "I already knew all that" - and well, here we are.
Quite obviously, he and I are, however, doing something different. My plants grow.
dank.Frank
I KNEW I'd see him in the infirmary. I almost started a betting pool, but thought it rude.
I've provided an endless array of information to be told "I already knew all that" - and well, here we are.
Quite obviously, he and I are, however, doing something different. My plants grow.
dank.Frank
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I thought maybe that was part of the problem. Too many cooks. The "read a book" thing wasn't a recommendation for any particular book, what I meant was that he needs to get back to the basics of gardening because his plants look very, very sad. But now he wants a specific book, so I don't know anymore.
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Making your own soil isn't for noobs. My suggestion would be to start fresh with some Ocean Forest potting soil, and keep the variables to a minimum until you get the basic hang of things. You might be able to save those plants, but they look pretty bad at this point, and are likely to be slow to recover, if they do at all.
If it is overfeeding then tell me how he's supposed to fix things in those ginormous pots? If he tries to flush he's gonna drown them and they'll rot before they dry again. Those pots are making it impossible to fix anything because there aren't even any roots in the pot.
Honestly I think a lot of people worry too much about things that don't matter as much as they think they do. I currently have volunteer plants flourishing in my backyard. The plants grow themselves, all you need to do is provide some very basic conditions.
I know guys with every bottle of every product in the grow store and I can still grow better plants with dirt from my back yard and dollar store 15-30-15, with my eyes closed. Because I have the basics down.
Honestly I think a lot of people worry too much about things that don't matter as much as they think they do. I currently have volunteer plants flourishing in my backyard. The plants grow themselves, all you need to do is provide some very basic conditions.
I know guys with every bottle of every product in the grow store and I can still grow better plants with dirt from my back yard and dollar store 15-30-15, with my eyes closed. Because I have the basics down.
I only noticed the location now... Hells basement 
I disagree. Follow the instructions in my sticky (link in the lower right corner) - and if you've never grown a single plant in your entire life - you can and will produce the exact same quality and volume of cannabis I manage after nearly 20 years of this hobby.
Now, that's not to insinuate it's the BEST...that's subjective. I do however, have success. My plants make it out of the vegetative cycle and they produce a viable crop.
Something to perhaps be considered as relevant, given the circumstances.
dank.Frank
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Gauss
Are you talking to me because you did not read my entire post and comprehend what I said, like you didn't read the entire OP?
Sure, and any idiot can bake a loaf of bread given the proper ingredients and recipe. But one shouldn't go baking bread if they can't yet make toast.
Mattbho
Active member
How long has this problem been going on?
What STRAIN are you growing?
What was the establishing technique? (seed or clone?)
What is the age of your plants?
How long have they been in the soil mixture they are in now?
Were they in the same mixture when they were seedlings/smaller plant? If not, what mixture were they in before?
How Tall are the plants?
What PHASE (seedling, vegetative or flower) are the plants in?
What Technique are you using? (SOG,*SCROG*etc)
What size pots are you using? (Include how many subjects to pot)
What substrate/medium are you using? What brand of soil mixture are you using?(percentage of perlite, vermiculite...etc?)
What brand Nutrient's are you using?
How much of each nutrient are you using with how much water? *Knowing the brand is very helpful*
How often are you feeding?
If flowering, when did you switch over to using Bloom nutrients?
What order are you mixing your nutrients? (example: veg nutes 1st, bloom 2nd ect)
What is the TDS/EC/PPM of your nutrients used?
What is the*pH*of the "RUN-OFF"?
How often are you testing*pH/ppm/EC/TDS?*
What method of*pH*test was administered? Using Strips?*pH*pen?
How often are you watering?
When was your last feeding and how often are you feeding?
What size bulb are you using?
How old is your bulbs?
What is the distance to the canopy?
What is your RH Factor? (Relative Humidity)
What is the canopy temperature?
What is the Day/Night Temp? (Include fluctuation range)
What is the current Air Flow? (cfm etc.)
Tell us about your ventilation, intake exhaust and when its running and not running ?
Is the fan blowing directly at plants?
Is the grow substrate constantly wet or moist?
Is your water HARD or SOFT?
What water are you using? Reverse Osmosis (RO)? Tap? Bottled? Well water? Distilled? Mineral Water?
If using tap water, what is the ppm/EC/TDS of the water right out of the tap?(Only if you have a tds pen)
If using RO,Distilled,mineral water, what is the ppm/EC/TDS without any additives?(Only if you have a tds pen)
Are you using water from a water softener?*
Has plant been recently pruned, cloned or pinched?
Have any pest chemicals been used? If so what and when?
Are plant's infected with pest's?
What STRAIN are you growing?
What was the establishing technique? (seed or clone?)
What is the age of your plants?
How long have they been in the soil mixture they are in now?
Were they in the same mixture when they were seedlings/smaller plant? If not, what mixture were they in before?
How Tall are the plants?
What PHASE (seedling, vegetative or flower) are the plants in?
What Technique are you using? (SOG,*SCROG*etc)
What size pots are you using? (Include how many subjects to pot)
What substrate/medium are you using? What brand of soil mixture are you using?(percentage of perlite, vermiculite...etc?)
What brand Nutrient's are you using?
How much of each nutrient are you using with how much water? *Knowing the brand is very helpful*
How often are you feeding?
If flowering, when did you switch over to using Bloom nutrients?
What order are you mixing your nutrients? (example: veg nutes 1st, bloom 2nd ect)
What is the TDS/EC/PPM of your nutrients used?
What is the*pH*of the "RUN-OFF"?
How often are you testing*pH/ppm/EC/TDS?*
What method of*pH*test was administered? Using Strips?*pH*pen?
How often are you watering?
When was your last feeding and how often are you feeding?
What size bulb are you using?
How old is your bulbs?
What is the distance to the canopy?
What is your RH Factor? (Relative Humidity)
What is the canopy temperature?
What is the Day/Night Temp? (Include fluctuation range)
What is the current Air Flow? (cfm etc.)
Tell us about your ventilation, intake exhaust and when its running and not running ?
Is the fan blowing directly at plants?
Is the grow substrate constantly wet or moist?
Is your water HARD or SOFT?
What water are you using? Reverse Osmosis (RO)? Tap? Bottled? Well water? Distilled? Mineral Water?
If using tap water, what is the ppm/EC/TDS of the water right out of the tap?(Only if you have a tds pen)
If using RO,Distilled,mineral water, what is the ppm/EC/TDS without any additives?(Only if you have a tds pen)
Are you using water from a water softener?*
Has plant been recently pruned, cloned or pinched?
Have any pest chemicals been used? If so what and when?
Are plant's infected with pest's?
ThePhiloStoned
Member
Several weeks...
Random bagseed...
Seed
5-6 weeks.
2 weeks.
No, this mix is LC's amended mix, as seedlings they were just in LC's Base Mix.
4"-18"
Vegetative.
These are intended to be mother plants so they aren't particularly being trained.
Prior to transplant they were in 18oz. red Solo cups, now they are in recycled fabric grocery bags that hold 3-5 gallons of soil.
Soil.
LC's Soiless Mix #1 (3 parts Peat, 2 parts Coir, 2 parts Perlite, 1 part Vermiculite, 2 parts worm castings, Oyster Shell Flour @ 2 tablespoons per gallon, Blood Meal @ 1 tablespoon per gallon, Bone meal @ 2 tablespoons per gallon, Kelp Meal @ 1 tablespoon per gallon)
Real Growers ReCharge & Alaska Fish Fertilizer.
Used standard dosage on AFF once, and used Real Growers ReCharge at 1/2 teaspoon per gallon.
Once/week.
N/A
N/A
Not sure, only used nutes once, didn't test PPM.
Not sure, haven't been testing (or getting runoff since I transplanted).
Every watering.
Both.
Once/week.
Last Sunday...every Sunday.
Two T5HO's and a low wattage LED bulb.
Brand new
12"
72%
79°F
79°F/75°F
200 cfm
Passive intake, canfan exhaust, runs when lights are on.
There is an oscillating fan that blows on plants.
Not while in the Solo cups, hard to tell in the bags.
I use bottled & RO water.
Bottled, RO & rainwater.
N/A
Not sure, don't currently have a ppm/tds meter.
No.
No.
DE, Borax & BTI were used early on to control fungus gnats & ants.
Not currently, had some fungus gnats early on.
Boron toxicity, is a possibility, from using the borax.
A little goes a very long way in soils. 2lbs for an entire acre about every 3rd year for tomatoes.
dank.Frank
A little goes a very long way in soils. 2lbs for an entire acre about every 3rd year for tomatoes.
dank.Frank
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