No Till Gardening (Indoors) with Team Microbe

[Team Microbe]

This thread will be a brief summary of the philosophy behind No Tilling, along with a guide on how to transition over into this type of system from your current set up. Enjoy!

"What is No Till Gardening?" ​

No Till Gardening resonates from the natural processes we see in our ecosystem. It abides by natures laws, and focuses on building soil through natural processes rather than dumping it out, re-amending, and then refilling your pots.

It is the never-ending cycle of life, death, and decay that our ecosystem relies so heavily upon to regenerate without the need for human intervention. In nature a tree falls to the ground, is decomposed, and eventually returns to the ecosystem in the form of humus. In a no till setting, we harvest our flowers and return all leaves, branches, and stalks to the mulch layer to follow suit. Nutrition once lost is now returned, and held onto indefinitely via the (hopefully) relatively high TCEC (total cation exchange capacity) of the soil body.

Most of us can recognize this process by what we all see come Autumn; leaves fall from the tree tops and land on the ground, are broken down and returned to the soil. Without this intrinsic process of the soil food web, leaves would pile so high that trees would become completely engulfed in organic matter; resulting in certain extinction. This is the magnificent orchestra of the soil food web; a never-ending cycle fueled by trillions of microorganisms, soil enzymes, bacteria and fungi that regenerate ecosystems - no matter how small the size. [/SIZE]

Week 4 of veg - 25 gallon containers



1) Container, or raised bed?

The first thing you should determine is the container size and how many gallons your soil mix will be. Unlike soilless mediums, below ground biomass will directly correlate to above ground biomass in soil. With that being said, you're going to want to figure out what size pots (or beds) will grow the size plants you want.

I started with 10 gallons, and moved up to 25 gal containers recently I don't like going under 10 gallons, because plants become root-bound for me in mid flower when I veg for the typical 4 weeks. The 25's are light enough to move around, but give me more wiggle room for root development so to speak.





2) Your soil mix

This is everything, and should be where you invest most of your budget. Balance within the soil is everything. A balanced soil mix will exponentially outperform an imbalanced soil mix. When certain elements are in excess, they can greatly effect other elements or completely lock them. So choose a balanced recipe that's tried and true rather than letting your inner Bill Nye go ham with the amendments.
There are many mixes out there, so choose the one that suits you and what you're able to source locally. I'll post the recipe I've used with success for the past 2 years, but first I'll touch on alternative solutions for the base mix because this will be subjective depending on your location/access to different materials. Use whatever you can buy locally to avoid having to ship heavy materials to your state.

Canadian Sphagnum Peat Moss
Replacements - Leaf mold

Lava rock
Replacements - Pumice, Grow Stones, Perlite

Compost
Replacements - Earthworm castings, Organic manure

No Till Soil Base Mix:

1 part Canadian Sphagnum Peat Moss
1 part (high quality) Compost
1 part Aeration (75% Lava rock, 20% Bio char, 5% Rice hulls)

Mixed with:

Acadian Kelp Meal @ 1/2 Cup per cubic foot

Neem Cake and Karanja Cake 50/50 Mix @ 1/2 cup per cubic foot

Crustacean Meal @ 1/2 Cup per cubic foot

Gypsum Dust @ 1 Cup Per Cubic Foot

Brix Blend Basalt @ 1 Cup Per Cubic Foot

Glacial Rock Dust @ 1 Cup Per Cubic Foot

Oyster Flour @ 1 Cup Per Cubic Foot

Malted Barley @ 2 Cup Per Cubic Foot

1 Handful of Red Wigglers (per container)

1 Handful of European Night Crawlers (per container)

Side note -
The greatest thing I've found when it comes to adding worms to your containers is the fact that in time (2-3 cycles) your worms will completely turn over the soil into nutrient-rich worm castings. This is huge, because you can then take that original body of soil and use it for your 1/3 humus portion in a future base mix. That's right, you can triple the volume of your original soil mix in less than a year's time. Talk about sustainability!




My Watering Regimen:

Day 1 - H20

Day 3 - H20

Day 5 - Coconut Water (1/4 cup per gallon) OR Freeze dried Coconut Powder (1 tsp per gallon)

Day 7 - H20

Day 9 - H20

Day 11 - Aloe Vera puree (1/4 cup fillet per gallon) OR Aloe Vera 200x powder (1/4 tsp per gallon)

Day 13 - H20

Day 15 - H20

Day 17 - Malted Barley powder (1/4-1/2 cup per 25 gallon pot) watered in with Bio Ag's Fulpower (20 ml per gallon)





4) Regeneration


Here's the important part. The part that most beginners will exempt after hearing no tilling consists of sowing a cover crop, or simply mulching in straw. A rude awakening is waiting for them if they don't follow this next step:

After cutting, hanging and drying your crop remember to return your left over biomass to the surface of your mulch layer. This will not only feed your microorganisms, but it will return most of the nutrition used during that cycle to the soil. Just as leaves fall in Autumn, our biomass falls at harvest. And the cycle continues...

After taking cuttings/sprouting seedlings you can simply dig a hole next to your existing stalk, and plant anew. Your left over root mass will feed the microorganisms in the soil and will eventually be completely broken down, performing a natural "tillage" in the soil by leaving behind tiny channels of air. Combine that with the pathways made by the worms you've added, and you can soon begin to see how it is possible to never till again.

The only things that I add at the beginning of each cycle is 1 tbsp kelp meal per container (for too many reasons to list), and some straw if the mulch layer is mostly digested (usually by this time it is). That's it!

 

[Edo]

looks great =)

How do you charge your lavarock/pumice/char ?

greetings

 

[I wood]

Nice.
Very similar to what I've settled on after thirty years of experimenting.
Been growing this way for about five years now. The first year or so was tough due to learning curve that came with the perpetual gardening of 25 different cultivars. It is nice to finally have an understanding of what is going on in the dirt.
The worms are a big part of my success, they work hard in every pot and have even established themselves in my composter.

 

[heady blunts]

welcome back TM.

lets keep it friendly and constructive i hope!

 

[exploziv]

Great thread. I'll follow.

 

[OG Tree Grower]

I'm just getting into this my self, as an avid hydro grower who only keeps mothers in dirt, I have a lot to learn. This thread seems like a good place for these comments/questions.

1- can I use any salt based nutes or does it all have to be organic to keep the microbes and worms thriving ? I thought forum member rykus was using a no till method but also used some salt ferts, I could be wrong.

2- what's with the coconut water and rice hulls? I don't understand why they are in the mix, it seems to be as easy as replicating my veggie garden inside, am I missing something?

3- what kinda pot size would accommodate a 1 pound plant, 25 gallons?

4- is it advised to use or not use a product like Sm-90 with no till?

5- would beds lined with canvas or 45 gallon drums cut in half be better suited for the microbe activity ?

 

[KONY]

What minimum container size do you think is appropriate for no till gardening? I have been doing water only amended soil for the last year and a half, however I am not recycling the soil and I think these are the missing keys in allowing my plants to really thrive.

I am using only 7 and 9 gallon containers (smart pots and hercules pots) to flower in. We dont have the veg area for anything larger, however I have debating just putting them into the flower rooms and vegging them in there with HPS for 2-3 weeks before flip., in order to take advantage of a bigger container.

 

[MileHighGlass]

You only go 3 cycles per container before recycling?

There is so much "cootganics" in here I think you are going to lose some of us.

And yes I just coined the term "cootganics"

 

[mojave green]

Lurking

 

[Team Microbe]

looks great =)

How do you charge your lavarock/pumice/char ?

greetings

Thanks Edo!

The simplest and most efficient method to biocharge your biochar is to simply mix it into your compost piles, stacking functions to benefit both the biochar and your compost. Even if you buy inoculated biochar, rather than producing it on-site, it will be improved by maturing in your compost. You can use as much biochar as you want, up to about an even 1:1 ratio with the compost, so don’t worry too much about overdoing it.

The other way to inoculate your biochar is a bit more labor-intensive, but you can complete the process in hours or days, not months. First, fill a 55 gallon (210 litre) drum with fresh water and biochar. If you are using municipal treated water, let it sit for a couple days to remove any chlorine. Then add compost tea or worm castings and leachate to the barrel with some soil from the area where you will use the finished biochar.

Once everything is well mixed, insert a long tube such as a length of PVC pipe into the barrel and direct air from a blower into the tube, or use a pond aerator and air stones. Aeration supercharges the inoculant and gives the beneficial microbes a massive head start, and helps them adhere to the biochar. Continue this for 12-24 hours. Hope that helps

Nice.
Very similar to what I've settled on after thirty years of experimenting.
Been growing this way for about five years now. The first year or so was tough due to learning curve that came with the perpetual gardening of 25 different cultivars. It is nice to finally have an understanding of what is going on in the dirt.
The worms are a big part of my success, they work hard in every pot and have even established themselves in my composter.

Nice man! Yeah it seems like this is the last "stop" for many, as that relation from soil health to human health becomes clearer and clearer. I've noticed a big increase in plant health as well, especially after adding red wiggs and african nightcrawlers to my pots. Doesn't get any easier than this!

welcome back TM.

lets keep it friendly and constructive i hope!

Thanks Heady! It's great to be back, I began to miss the IC crowd and started getting requests to return so after speaking to a few of the mods we were able to make that happen

Great thread. I'll follow.

Thanks man, that means a lot coming from you

I'm just getting into this my self, as an avid hydro grower who only keeps mothers in dirt, I have a lot to learn. This thread seems like a good place for these comments/questions.

1- can I use any salt based nutes or does it all have to be organic to keep the microbes and worms thriving ? I thought forum member rykus was using a no till method but also used some salt ferts, I could be wrong.

2- what's with the coconut water and rice hulls? I don't understand why they are in the mix, it seems to be as easy as replicating my veggie garden inside, am I missing something?

3- what kinda pot size would accommodate a 1 pound plant, 25 gallons?

4- is it advised to use or not use a product like Sm-90 with no till?

5- would beds lined with canvas or 45 gallon drums cut in half be better suited for the microbe activity ?

Absolutely, feel free to ask all the questions you want here

1) Force feeding with bottles is best done in a soilless medium such as the one you use in hydro IMO. In soil, plants regulate what elements they need, when they need them, and how much of those said elements to intake. So you can see how bypassing that step would be counterproductive. It's best to initially amend the soil with all micro/macronutrients along with adequate mineral nutrition (see the soil recipe above) and amend your base mix with 1/3 high quality compost. That compost has the capability of literally holding onto those amendments you just spent money on, for extremely long periods of time.

2) The rice hulls I add to please the worms, they're not necessary but worms enjoy breaking them down so I add an extra 5% to the initial mix. Just a personal preference.
Coconut water contains cytokinins. They stimulate cell division, morphogenesis (shoot initiation/bud formation) in tissue culture, the growth of lateral buds-release of apical dominance, leaf expansion resulting from cell enlargement, and enhance stomatal opening in some species. Again, not needed but I call this a plant supplement and enjoy using it in the garden (and drinking it myself in smoothies).

3) That's a subjective question with a subjective answer pretty much, you could use anywhere from a 25 gallon pot to a 400 gallon pot it mainly depends on how long you plan to veg for, how much headway you have before hitting the lights, and how much time you want to put into the plant. I typically veg for 4-5 weeks then flip the lights to flower, and see anywhere from 5 ounces to 10 ounces per plant depending on strain structure and bud density. Many factors come into play here!

4) Send me a link of the product label and I'll be able to answer that question

5) Either or would work - what's most important is a thick mulch layer to keep the majority of the life that resides in the top layer moist and alive.

What minimum container size do you think is appropriate for no till gardening? I have been doing water only amended soil for the last year and a half, however I am not recycling the soil and I think these are the missing keys in allowing my plants to really thrive.

I am using only 7 and 9 gallon containers (smart pots and hercules pots) to flower in. We dont have the veg area for anything larger, however I have debating just putting them into the flower rooms and vegging them in there with HPS for 2-3 weeks before flip., in order to take advantage of a bigger container.

I'd say 10 gallons is a good place to start. I've done it in a 7 gallon container before but as we all know - below ground biomass directly correlates to above ground biomass so smaller containers like that are better suited for smaller plants in a SOG type layout. I use 25 gallon pots, but with how close they are together in my room I could easily get away with 15's if I wanted to. I veg for 4-5 weeks in both 10's and 25's but I can say that the plants in 10's are pushing it, as they outgrow their pots at times.

You only go 3 cycles per container before recycling?

There is so much "cootganics" in here I think you are going to lose some of us.

And yes I just coined the term "cootganics"

Yeah once the worms turn over the entire container it's then able to be used as your next mix's humus portion. It depends on the needs of the grower, some rapidly expand and some stick to their guns and never need to remove the soil ya know? I've found it useful in making high quality soil for my food gardens especially.

 

[Team Microbe]

Lurking

 

[shawkmon]

can ya water with stump tea , its like mix of beneficial bacterias and some dry molasses and maybe some more good shit , it seems to work wonders , so ya dont pull any roots up except the stalk and a handful of dirt right there to place the next plant?

 

[Team Microbe]

can ya water with stump tea , its like mix of beneficial bacterias and some dry molasses and maybe some more good shit , it seems to work wonders , so ya dont pull any roots up except the stalk and a handful of dirt right there to place the next plant?

You can do whatever your heart desires!

However it most likely isn't needed, all the biology needed will develop in that body of soil without the need of any compost teas, fermentations, or things of the like I've learned

 

[Team Microbe]

Integrated Pest Management

Integrated Pest Management

Every 7 days during veg I like to spray as a preventative against any invaders. Balanced, healthy soil will actually make plants disappear from the pests' radar because they will vibrate a frequency undetectable. Unhealthy plants will show up like a neon light on the Vegas Strip however, especially plants growing in soil with a high Nitrogen content. Either way, I'm constantly taking in clones and bringing in pests from other gardens so I like to proceed with the following just in case:



IPM Program:

Karanja oil (or cold pressed neem oil) @ 1 tbsp per gallon

High Camphor Spanish Lavender Oil @ 1 tsp per gallon

High Camphor Spanish Rosemary Oil @ 1 tsp per gallon

Aloe vera puree @ 1/4 cup per gallon OR Aloe vera 200x powder @ 1/4 tsp per gallon

Agsil16H @ 1/2 tsp per gallon (the dry powder) OR 2 tsp Dr Bronners Lavender Soap per gallon - both for emulsification purposes


I'll spray this recipe every week up until the first couple days of flowering. The essential oils prevent any mite eggs from developing (as both of these high camphor oils explode eggs on contact), Neem or Karanja oil (both are the exact same in a horticultural setting, but karanja is easier to emulsify I've learned) as a systemic prevention; as this confuses suckling insects into no longer breeding/eating, and Aloe Vera for it's aid in Systemic Acquired Resistance as well as a wetting agent to help oils stick to the leaves a little better. Agsil16H (potassium silicate) also aids in the SAR pathway, but isn't entirely needed when aloe is being used so sometimes I like to substitute Dr Bronners instead. That's it!

The One 12 hours after being foliar sprayed (with lights off)​

 

[MileHighGlass]

Every 7 days during veg I like to spray as a preventative against any invaders. Balanced, healthy soil will actually make plants disappear from the pests' radar because they will vibrate a frequency undetectable. Unhealthy plants will show up like a neon light on the Vegas Strip however, especially plants growing in soil with a high Nitrogen content. Either way, I'm constantly taking in clones and bringing in pests from other gardens so I like to proceed with the following just in case:



IPM Program:

Karanja oil (or cold pressed neem oil) @ 1 tbsp per gallon

High Camphor Spanish Lavender Oil @ 1 tsp per gallon

High Camphor Spanish Rosemary Oil @ 1 tsp per gallon

Aloe vera puree @ 1/4 cup per gallon OR Aloe vera 200x powder @ 1/4 tsp per gallon

Agsil16H @ 1/2 tsp per gallon (the dry powder) OR 2 tsp Dr Bronners Lavender Soap per gallon - both for emulsification purposes


I'll spray this recipe every week up until the first couple days of flowering. The essential oils prevent any mite eggs from developing (as both of these high camphor oils explode eggs on contact), Neem or Karanja oil (both are the exact same in a horticultural setting, but karanja is easier to emulsify I've learned) as a systemic prevention; as this confuses suckling insects into no longer breeding/eating, and Aloe Vera for it's aid in Systemic Acquired Resistance as well as a wetting agent to help oils stick to the leaves a little better. Agsil16H (potassium silicate) also aids in the SAR pathway, but isn't entirely needed when aloe is being used so sometimes I like to substitute Dr Bronners instead. That's it!


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The One 12 hours after being foliar sprayed (with lights off)

Agsil16 in high doses is used as a "pesticide" all by itself. At low amounts it is not. I don't know why more people don't know about this.

I microplane a 1/4" to 3/8" rock into 1 gallon of ipm spray. I've used much more before with no ill effects. It's just another mode of action to aid the IPM front.

You can google the literature on it.

 

[moses wellfleet]

I am glad you are back, you put a lot of effort into helping others!

 

[VonBudí]

omg welcome back

guerilla update
how did the rail cart work out
did you make the ram pump?

absolute savage

 

[Team Microbe]

Agsil16 in high doses is used as a "pesticide" all by itself. At low amounts it is not. I don't know why more people don't know about this.

I microplane a 1/4" to 3/8" rock into 1 gallon of ipm spray. I've used much more before with no ill effects. It's just another mode of action to aid the IPM front.

You can google the literature on it.

How many ml do you suspect those rocks to break out to MHG? Just wondering because I usually use 1/2 tsp per gal but I have yet to test the limits of this powder. I know it activates the SAR pathway so that's a huge plus in my eyes, so the fact that it emulsifies the oils I use is like a two for one

I am glad you are back, you put a lot of effort into helping others!

Thanks! Glad to be back

omg welcome back

guerilla update
how did the rail cart work out
did you make the ram pump?

absolute savage

Thanks VB! The guerrilla thread is coming... I partnered up with another guy this year and I'm proud to say that things are booming right now...

The rail cart worked well, no trains either!

We're actually filming the entire season via GoPro so look for a movie titled 'Grow Strong' to drop this fall. I'm really excited about that actually. It should blow Brown Dirt Warrior's videos out of the water, we're promoting organic methods that produce clean run-off along with a few other morally-sound tid bits. We're not diverting water either, so nah we didn't make a pump this year we just planted near water, mulched heavily and added a lot of organic matter to help retain as much moisture as possible. We get about 40" of rainfall annually over here so we're blessed in that sense. Stay tuned!!

 

[MileHighGlass]

How many ml do you suspect those rocks to break out to MHG? Just wondering because I usually use 1/2 tsp per gal but I have yet to test the limits of this powder. I know it activates the SAR pathway so that's a huge plus in my eyes, so the fact that it emulsifies the oils I use is like a two for one


Thanks! Glad to be back



Thanks VB! The guerrilla thread is coming... I partnered up with another guy this year and I'm proud to say that things are booming right now...

The rail cart worked well, no trains either!

We're actually filming the entire season via GoPro so look for a movie titled 'Grow Strong' to drop this fall. I'm really excited about that actually. It should blow Brown Dirt Warrior's videos out of the water, we're promoting organic methods that produce clean run-off along with a few other morally-sound tid bits. We're not diverting water either, so nah we didn't make a pump this year we just planted near water, mulched heavily and added a lot of organic matter to help retain as much moisture as possible. We get about 40" of rainfall annually over here so we're blessed in that sense. Stay tuned!!

You know that's a good question. I haven't measured it out in so many years that I don't know how much powder I am actually using.

This is made by the same Company that makes agsil
http://www.pqcorp.com/Portals/1/lit/SILMATRIXBROCHURE.pdf

And here is the product label
http://www.certisusa.com/pdf-labels/Sil-Matrix_label.pdf

You can see that it is marketed as a fungicide, and insecticide. It gives you the ppm on the first link of the amount of silica that they tested.

If someone wants to do the math I am sure the correct amount of agsil could be figured out to make something similar. I would be interested to see how much agsil per gallon of water would make a comparable product.

 

[Team Microbe]

You know that's a good question. I haven't measured it out in so many years that I don't know how much powder I am actually using.

This is made by the same Company that makes agsil
http://www.pqcorp.com/Portals/1/lit/SILMATRIXBROCHURE.pdf

And here is the product label
http://www.certisusa.com/pdf-labels/Sil-Matrix_label.pdf

You can see that it is marketed as a fungicide, and insecticide. It gives you the ppm on the first link of the amount of silica that they tested.

If someone wants to do the math I am sure the correct amount of agsil could be figured out to make something similar. I would be interested to see how much agsil per gallon of water would make a comparable product.

Hmmm very interesting.

For anyone reading this ^ by all means - feel free to do the math for MHG and I