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Just some ideas before you end up chasing your tail even more because of the build-a-bear soil salesmen :

Ph'ing water doesn't mean much on its own, you're only adding a tiny drop of acid to an entire pot of soil. You've only acidified the added water, not the soil. I never worried about ph outdoors in the "fertility belt" of the US because the naturally high level of microbes in the soil produce the acids in sufficient amounts to counteract hard water carbonates. Moved to the desert: no healthy microbe populations, BYOA (bring your own acid).

I just started a new run (after realizing humidity domes cause damping off), the ph is 7 and I'm eyeballing the acid because dropping reverse osmosis to 5.5 really means nothing, it's not a jug of acid now, it's still water, with a tiny pinch of acid. You could ph distilled water with citric acid to the pH of citric acid itself: it's not going to taste sour, and as soon as it hits the soil it's acidity power is null and void.

I've done "coots mix" with 2 different compost sources, one mix was 5.5, the other was 7.5. Buildasoil had no suggestions, they believe everyone has a worm farm and microbiology lab in the closet. Thought I was being smart and limed the peat first thing, letting it adjust over 2-3 weeks before inoculations compost and amendments. I can only wonder what would make a bag of compost 8+ on the ph meter. I would have to use gypsum instead of lime to get it under 7, and then I'm having sulfur overload (not sure how much is too much?) To summarize, despite what many will tell you, you need your ph within range from the beginning, attempting to change it later will drive you to drinking and would have the soil lab laughing at your test results.
 
Thanks for the feedback BH. I had started to guess that there was really not much I could do to quickly change the pH of the mix. I'm going to to test top dressing some leftover mix I have sitting around with the minerals and see how it affects the pH. If it works I'll do it to the plants to try and lower the pH over the next couple weeks. I definitely learned my lesson about balancing the mix before planting, won't make that mistake again.

GoatCheese I can see the pictures in the post, but maybe its just me. Is there a trick to pasting pics here?
 
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Feeding 1/4 cup of the following solution each watering:
1 Gallon Batch:
12 mL BioCanna Bio Flores
10 mL BioCanna BioBoost
5 mL Natural Cal-Mag
2 mL BioCanna BioRhizotonic
pH'd to 6.5 - 6.8

Poisoning seems most likely. Warm compost poisons plants, makes leaves yellow. You are adding too many chemicals, probably too much Nitrogen. Your soil is probably composting into vast amounts of nutrients, as well as additional heat and bacteria. If your house is warm, the compost will be warm. It may suprise you, but if you feel in the middle of your affected pots, you may feel extra warmth. This is composting.

This diagram by f-e may help -

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GoatCheese

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GoatCheese I can see the pictures in the post, but maybe its just me. Is there a trick to pasting pics here?

Yea, I can’t see the photos. Maybe you have your photo albums on “private” setting?
I post photos by going to my album; clicking open the photo and I copy the URL then paste it to the “Upload from URL”-option at the bottom of the page below where I’m typing the post.

..The private photo albums are shambles on this new platform
😓

PS: are your plants doing better?
 
Yea, I can’t see the photos. Maybe you have your photo albums on “private” setting?
I post photos by going to my album; clicking open the photo and I copy the URL then paste it to the “Upload from URL”-option at the bottom of the page below where I’m typing the post.

..The private photo albums are shambles on this new platform
😓

PS: are your plants doing better?

I'll try that with these next pictures I upload, I was trying to copy-paste into the text.

After everything everyone said, some reading of my own and listening to the KIS podcast, I wanted to keep things simple for the rest of the grow. I ended up top dressing with EWC and giving pH'd water around 5.8 to attempt to lower the soil pH. The girls are doing a lot better. The upper fan leaves never really recovered, but the lower growth and new buds seem OK. They're starting to get close to ready. I just noticed some amber trichs on the Wedding Cake's fan leaves so I'm probably going to chop her down today. I'll post some pics in another section to get a second opinion, but I think she's ready to go. The White Widow probably has another week +/- a few days, and the others still have a few weeks left.

White Widow:
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Ayahuasca Purple:
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Bruce Banger:
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GoatCheese

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Now i can see the photos. Yea, once you fry the plants well enough in bloom they don't fully recover anymore. It was the same for me. Atleast the buds look chunky and frosty.
Next run go easy with the light and it will go alot smoother from the begining. Peace.
 
Hey y'all! Thanks so much for your help, the girls finished much better than I expected. I couldn't have done it without all y'all! We cut the Wedding Cake, Ayahuasca Purple, and White Widow in the last week. I still haven't spotted any amber trichs on the Bruce Banger yet so I'm letting that on go for a little bit longer. I was able to sample the Wedding Cake this week and I'm super happy with how it turned out, even before the cure is done.

I've added these guys soil back into the mix and amended for the next run. I'm sitting around 6.7 pH when I tested it this morning. Hopefully I'll avoid these problems next go around.

Wedding Cake, day 53:
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White Widow, day 59:
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Ayahuasca Purple, day 59:
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My drying rack right now, AP on top WW on below:
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Thanks y'all!
-JollyShaman
 

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