No IDEA?? (PLUS PIK)

[blakhash]

Hello i cant figure out for the love of my life whats wrong with this plant. it started off fine then the lower leaves started shriveling up and the plant is Growing SOOOOPEr slow.
Specs (it is a computer case by the way)
-Flora Nova Nutrients(made for soil or hydro)
-Organic soil (no added nutrients, just small amounts of bat guano, worm castings, and crab meal)
-Temps are staying in the 70-80 tops range
-Water is Crystal Guiser bottled 6.5 PH
-1 3000K 42w CFL, 1 2700K 42w CFL

the plant seems to grow, but incredibly slow and the lower leaves are continuing to turn yellow then die then move up to the next leaf.




heres a new picture

 

[inflorescence]

Just so you know, Crystal Guiser has 120 ppm. I drink it and figured I'd test it with my hanna. I even had them mail me an analysis of their water. It changes slightly depending on the source they bottle it from.

 

[Aestivus]

N def? (don't take my opinion wait for an expert)

 

[Guest]

I dont know enough to call this an N def.with no information i am guessing screwed up PH

 

[Guest]

btw a 6500k light will green them up.

 

[Blackvelvet]

How much floranova grow per gallon of water are you using? Are you adding this at every watering?

You should adjust the ph of your fert water before applying to the plants. Since your soil looks more like bark, aim for around ph 6.

If your going to buy water, get distilled.

What the **** is this talk about icmag censorship?

 

[EddieShoestring]

those little leaves at the bottom look like they may have nute burn at the tips-could it be that the medium/nutes are a little hot for those small plants?

eddie

 

[blakhash]

inflorescence- i check the ph before i put any water on my plants. the gallon of crystal guiser i have is at a constant 6.3 ph

Blackvelvet- the ph is around 6.3, i apply 1 tsp per gallon but i still only water it with 1 cup of water and plain water. the soil is not made of sticks lol it just looks like it because when i water the sticks pop up.



EddieShoestring- i kinda think they are, ive flushed out the soil with plain ph stable water and now im goign to play the waiting game.

octodiem - when i get my next check i'm going to pick up some 6500K bulbs i wanted to be as cheap as possible on this grow but seems it never works.

 

[inflorescence]

inflorescence- i check the ph before i put any water on my plants. the gallon of crystal guiser i have is at a constant 6.3 ph

That's one reason why I drink it, because of it's near-neutral pH.
But I was talking about ppms. Things like ca mg and more importantly sodium.
Sodium is a problem I find in a lot of bottled water because most drinking water is ro plus some minerals added back. The problem is they add back the minerals that are good for humans, not plants.
Better to start with ro plus a nute that is balanced for plants like floranova. That nute will have it's own pH buffers so it doesn't matter if your ro has none to begin with.

 

[Guest]

I hate bark

 

[Guest]

Sadly, and one of the reasons people use bark at all is moisture retention.... this looks to be aiding in your plant's woe's. Over watering, or at least not allowing roots to completely dry prior to the next watering. I've noticed when I did this behavior in a soil setting, the plant would begin to show def's and yet there was no reason for this to be happening (new soil, nutes added, other plants fine, etc).

How often are you watering? Have you tried waiting until the plant flags before watering again? This will at least give you a good idea how long the plant needs to go in between watering for it to droop. Will at least rule that out.

 

[Blackvelvet]

Blackvelvet- the ph is around 6.3, i apply 1 tsp per gallon but i still only water it with 1 cup of water and plain water.

So your feeding 1/2 teaspoon per gallon? 1 cup fert water + 1 cup plain water? Increase ferts. Try 3/4 teaspoon per gallon with no plain water. Apply at every watering. Adjust fert water ph to 6 after adding floranova. I suggest ditching the spring water and go with distilled. Plants grow faster a little on the dry side but not wilting.

 

[blakhash]

AHHH! the plants still getting worse, and its new growth stopped. i cant let this die on me its my only plant now and its a femenized one too.

jiggywhompus- its not just bark there are shards of bark to retain water and it works well along with a little perlite.

Klutter- no i haven't pushed the plant to its tipping point, but i will try to see how long i can go with it hope fully i don't kill it.

Blackvelvet- yes thats right, the soil wont contain anymore than 2 cups of soil. i jsut watered this morning i'm going to wait until the soil is completely dry and do another nutrient feed.

would the light have anything to do with it?

 

[inflorescence]

i'm going to wait until the soil is completely dry and do another nutrient feed.

DO NOT feed when the soil is completely dry. ESPECIALLY at that size. You'll fry the sucker.
Roots absorb nutes when they are moist. Water first, plain pH water, then feed after at least a couple of hours have past.

 

[blakhash]

lol woops god i feel dumb. will do, ill have an update if the plant gets any better. thanks for the help.

 

[blakhash]

ahh, i've flushed the soil out with some distilled water at 6.5 PH and half strength nutes and the plants still getting worse.

 

[Guest]

Blakhash - if you check around, your plant is exhibiting the 100% normal behavior of a plant being drowned.

Ram's horns. That's what you have when the leaves bend down like a rams horn. Do some searches for Ram's horn and you'll see how your plant looks EXACTLY like those in the posts.

Rams horns = over watering. You need to let the roots dry out between waterings. Flushing, adding more nutes, adding less nutes, etc are not helping the issue - probably more causing it.

There is nothing to fear with letting her go until she needs water. It's easy, wont hurt her and will give you what you need to get her healthy.

In a pot that size, I would probably only need to water her once every 10-14 days or so. I suspect you're watering way more often than that.

SO.... last piece of advice, wait for her to flag. You just flushed her, so she has plenty of water...now stop watering!!! Wait and watch, checking twice a day on her. You WILL see her: go from rams horns to normal look, leaves will not droop and she will look healthy. KEEP WAITING. Days will pass and then suddenly, she will droop again. Now you know when to water her. If you water before this time passes, she will only continue to get worse.

IMHO....

 

[blakhash]

hm, i was going to do that but i was told not the let a plant that size go that far, im able to check on the plant everyday so i guess i can try that, thanks for the help and i acutally fed the plant every 3 days because it looked like the soil was dry.

thx for the help clutter ill post an update if the plants getting better or worse nothing to really lose.