No Big Bang? Quantum equation predicts universe has no beginning

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Lol.

 

[noyd666]

they say this black hole was formed 900 million years after the big bang? maybe it was yesterday?

 

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Whoa... Nice pic noyd.

 

[skullznroses]

Pics?? How about how many science cowboys did it take to decode that outta microwave pulses?

 

[Mad Lab]

So Mad i think you are wrong

The Human Genome Project, supposedly disproved the possibility of all humans being descended from one man and woman. But what does the science really show?

World: “Adam versus claims from genetics”
Does genomic information show scientifically that Adam is not our collective ancestor?

Claims that chimpanzee and human DNA are 96 to 99% identical are used by evolutionists as “proof” that chimps and humans are descended from a common ape-like ancestor. The Human Genome Project—according to the interpretations of evolutionists—scientifically disproved the possibility of all humans being descended from one man and one woman. But what does the science really demonstrate? Westminster Theological Journal recently published an informative essay by Westminster Theological Seminary professor Vern Poythress, who has a Th.D. as well as a Harvard Ph.D. in mathematics, refuting these claims.

The statistical similarity between chimp and human DNA relates primarily to the portions of DNA that code for proteins, ignoring the vast amount of DNA that has been commonly called “junk DNA,” sections that now appear to have regulatory and other functions. Furthermore, understanding how DNA is compared reveals the chimp-human similarity is not all it seems. DNA consists of millions of “bases”—four kinds of molecules that act like the letters in a code. But contrary to the impression given in television programs, sequencing DNA is not a matter of simply lining up long strings with millions of bases to see what matches.

sequence1The letters in this short sequence symbolizing a bit of DNA code stand for the bases: guanine, cytosine, adenine,quence of such bases encode not only the instructions for the manufacture of all the proteins in a living organisms but the instructions regulating the use of those proteins and much more. Some sections of DNA strands being compared match like this, often because the same sorts of protein molecules are needed in living organisms. Because DNA consists of millions of bases, sequencing technology breaks it into short segments for comparison and then much match up the pieces to be compared, effectively ignoring the segments that differ greatly. IMAGE: Westminster Theological Journal through www.worldmag.com

sequence2When sequences being compared differ by only a different base here and there, those variations are called “substitutions.” IMAGE: Westminster Theological Journal through www.worldmag.com

sequence3When one stretch of the DNA being compared contains a sequence absent from the other, the difference is called an indel, meaning “insertion-deletion.” Implicit in the terminology is the assumption that the DNA of each diverged from a common ancestral form. IMAGE: Westminster Theological Journal through www.worldmag.com
As a result of technological limitations, comparisons between chimp and human DNA focus on areas that are similar. Thus, as Dr. Poythress explains, chimp and human DNA only appear “99%” identical if:

repeated sequences are ignored
only sections that “align naturally” are compared,
and the only differences noted are single base-pair substitutions.
Thus, extra sequences of DNA—commonly called “insertions” and “deletions”—are ignored. When they are included among the differences, the figure becomes “96%.” Note that even these names—insertions and deletions—imply an assumption of evolutionary modifications by which the DNA of a common ancestor was gradually modified over time. But the science cannot look back to the genome of an imagined evolutionary ancestor. And a great deal of DNA, when chimps and humans are compared, simply does not correspond at all and is therefore completely absent from the oft-quoted statistics. Furthermore, despite evolutionary insistence that the chimp is our closest relative, gorilla and orangutan DNA is more similar to ours than chimpanzee is.

Furthermore, though not covered in Poythress’s essay, when the DNA sequences are compared more objectively without pre-selecting sequences and filtering the data, the chimp and human genomes are only about 70% similar.

Even more important than an awareness of the limitations on the statistical similarity between chimp and human DNA is the ability to understand how evolutionists interpret what genetic similarity there actually is. Biblical creationists understand that this is a consequence of having a common Designer who wisely designed humans and animals to function on earth. Poythress explains:

The most striking genetic similarities between humans and chimps lie in many of the protein coding regions within the DNA. That is understandable from the standpoint of design, because proteins are the backbone of chemical machinery inside a cell. Cells have to have machinery for metabolism, for cell division, for translating DNA into proteins, for dealing with toxins, and for responding to the environment. The machinery has to accomplish many of the same things in cells of many kinds, so it should not be surprising that there are similarities among proteins not only between man and chimpanzee but throughout the world of living things.
The notion that genetic similarities prove shared evolutionary ancestry is a consequence of naturalistic Darwinian assumptions superimposed on the data. Evolutionists assume chimps and humans share an evolutionary ancestry and interpret all data according to that assumption.

As Poythress says, “Darwinism says that all kinds of living things came into being by purely gradualistic processes. In the popular mind, and indeed also among many scientists, Darwinism also involves the additional assumption that the process of change over time was unguided and purposeless—in other words, God, if He exists, is absent.”

Yet nothing about the science can confirm that God did not act to create humans and animals as Genesis chapter one reports, without evolution. And nothing about the science can demonstrate the evolutionary claim that the origin of life was blindly naturalistic and purposeless. Poythress explains, “That claim overreaches the evidence and the competence of science. It is really a philosophical and religious claim.” Thus, atheism is a sort of “religion.”

Evolutionists assert that population genetics and molecular clocks cannot possibly point back to just two original people 6,000 years ago. Poythress points out that the calculations which this claim is based on assume that the human genome has always had constant rates of mutation and recombination. Population studies further depend on assumptions about the average lifespans of people. Yet Scripture indicates that lifespans changed dramatically after the global Flood. The notion that humanity could not have originated with two created people is rooted in unverifiable assumptions imposed upon the science.

Given the effects of sin’s curse on humanity, the dramatic changes in lifespan over a few thousand years, and the population bottleneck that occurred when the global Flood reduced the genomic variety in the human population to those genes in the eight people on the Ark, the uniformitarian assumptions on which evolutionary anthropologists and geneticists base their conclusions that the human population could not have been traced back to Adam and Eve are faulty.

Thus the science in no way “proves” human ancestry from an ape-like ancestor or the impossibility of human ancestry from Adam and Eve. As to the age of the earth, while Poythress writes nothing in his essay to suggest millions of years, in his opinion, the small variations (“gaps”) in the genealogical lists in the Old and New Testaments make it impossible to know how long ago God created man. However, a comparison of genealogical lists reveals that, while there are a few places where God chose to include and exclude certain people, only some genealogies contain information about time. And those lists, from which we (and Archbishop Ussher) derive calculations about the timeline of history, consist of numerically interlocked data rendering the inclusion or exclusion of a particular person—as far as the timeline goes—irrelevant. As Dr. Floyd Nolen Jones explains in Chronology of the Old Testament:

The Scripture precisely lists the age of each patriarch (i.e. Arphaxad = 35 years old) when the next patriarch (i.e. Salah) is born. Thus, even if the next patriarch in the recorded genealogy was a great-grandson rather than a son, this procedure of giving the age of one patriarch when the next is born fixes the two men’s lives relative to each other. In so doing, it provides an exact continuous chronology across this time span.1

The father’s (ancestor’s) name is mathematically interlocked to the chosen descendant; hence no gap of time or generation is possible.2
Furthermore, Jude 14 corroborates the Old Testament genealogies, informing us that Enoch was a member of the seventh generation from Adam. Scripture does not contradict itself. Biblical history therefore does reveal that God created Adam and Eve about 6,000 years ago. And the scientific evidence of hominid fossils, genomic analysis, and population studies only appear to “prove” evolution if the data are interpreted expressly by presuming evolution happened. Such reasoning is circular. Science does not disprove Scripture

There's a few flaws here. One being that the bible never said Adam and Eve were created 6,000 yrs ago, this is just a few creationists attempting to put together a timeline based on family trees which does in fact have many flaws in reliability. Most progressive theist Christians believe in 10,000-15,000 BC was possibly the first intelligent homosapiens appearance.

The North Carolina black man who traced his lineage to 338,000 yrs ago. That doesnt tell us how intelligent homosapiens were at that time, these were likely traced back to primitive homosapien.

My comment implied that Adam was the FIRST intelligent homosapien, or at least intelligent enough to have freewill and self-awareness. Obviously there would have been unintelligent homosapiens for at least hundreds of thousands of years before we would have reached the point of freewill.

You think multiple mutations occurred at the same time among homosapiens that allowed many to evolve to the level of intelligence we are referring to? not just unlikely, almost impossible. Likely Adam was NOT the first homosapien.

So i dont see your argument?

 

[Mad Lab]

they say this black hole was formed 900 million years after the big bang? View Image

12 BILLION times larger than the sun!!! crazy!

 

[Mad Lab]

View Image

LOL best one yet!

 

[Midwest sticky]

I know this isn't a picture thread but since we're talking about the universe thought I'd share a pic of the horse head nebula.

 

[skullznroses]

Maybe the physical formations look like that maybe they dont. That looks like an artist rendering. No offense meant. puh

 

[Midwest sticky]

Maybe the physical formations look like that maybe they dont. That looks like an artist rendering. No offense meant. puh

No offense taken and it is a legit pic it was captured by the Hubble telescope.

 

[SPG.]

they say this black hole was formed 900 million years after the big bang? View Image

Too the Year Eyh!!
baha ! ..more like "give me a picture n i'll speak sh*t,NO Matter what-the-Picture.... thats as true as that gets imo, Cant see how they would arrive at that figure!?? S.h.i.t .."and ya telling me no mistake has been made along the way!?,which would mean others trying to make good of a bad ass Glitch in there Info they dont know about.. "STILL! Nc Pic.. "Baked" LOL

we are a fiesty lot.. "ANSWER'S" abound!! LOL.

 

[mr.brunch]

We were intelligent enough beings to bury our dead... The first evidence of this is from 3-400,000 years ago.

 

[mr.brunch]

One more ....

 

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Fuck aliens, always trying to anal probe people. Lmao

 

[mr.brunch]

I think if aliens have ever spotted us, they probably said " fuck that Bob , they're still blowing each other up. " And shot off the other way.

 

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Aliens coming here wouldn't end well for humanity.think about what happens every time a technologically advanced race meets a vastly less advanced race, the less advanced race ends up being slaughtered or enslaved. Aliens coming here isn't something to like. We would end up as their slave labor.

 

[HUGE]

Whooly fuck this thread is 60 pages already

 

[LEF]

I heard aliens are not allowed to interfere on earth at this time. We have to deal with our shit on our own.

 

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[D. B. Doober]

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