Nirvana PPP (Purple?.?.)

[Mister Postman]

ive had some durban poison from nirvana that turned purple eh (crosses fingers) i hope mine turns purple..lol its only at 14 days or so its lookin pretty nice so far though gettin nice and crystally or is it all depending on the genes or the plant?

I grew out some very impressive DP x Skunk last round.. Mine was not purple, but she did have some beautiful pink-purple hairs.

It's pretty much in the genetics of the plant, but certain strains can be forced purple by colder temps during flower. the PPP I'm growing has nothing to do with cold temps, it's in the genes.

 

[Guest]

PhatAzzBabes

PhatAzzBabes

Whoa! Very nice!

 

[Mister Postman]

I woke up bright and early, and ran out just in time to make it to the closet before the lights had come on. Todays marks the 9th week of flower for my Nirvana Seeds Pure Power Plant, and with the luck of getting my ass out of bed before the lights had come on to deplete any of my lovely thc , I decided today was finally the day!!! I harvested according to the trichomes, and they were mostly cloudy, and full of juicy THC . I just started to get a few amber up high on the buds, so the high should definitely be in the head.. With what I read of this strain it's very potent, and can easily be overdone.

Here is what the strain descroption says for ppp

Power Plant (mostly Sativa) was developed in 1997 from new South African genetics. This strain has been inbred only, never hybridized. Very rich in THC. It is a strain with an enormous grow potential. Indoor as well as in a greenhouse the plants have an enormous yield. Indoors flowering starts already one week after turning back the light cycle to 12 hours. Outdoor flowering starts late, but the plants ripen very fast. This variety is very uniform. Strong up high, very soft smoke.


Ok well here is my handy work Pass the scissors..

The plant measured 22 inches tall, and I went ahead, and cut 9-10 inches down on each shoot. I needed to leave a little bud down below as I will be attempting to regenerate the plant.

And this is what I was left with . For a 22 inch plant PPP was a friggin yeilder

I trimmed off most of the leaf, and took it over to the scale. 288 grams wet, so I yeilded around 2.5 ounces

Now for some pretty close up pics

Hope you enjoyed the pics.. Wish me luck on getting this plant to regenerate!!
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[BennyBlanco]

2.5 ounces of 1 plant nice job!

...I also have encountered tipping but by mistake like others...the actual light burnt the tops of some buds and they grew back just like yours...interesrting

 

[Beetlepumpr]

I use the 16 guage technique. I pce back 25 feet then shoot at the top third of the plant 2.5 weeks into flowering. It's called shotgunning.

 

[Mister Postman]

I use the 16 guage technique. I pce back 25 feet then shoot at the top third of the plant 2.5 weeks into flowering. It's called shotgunning.

That sounds like it may work, but momma always told me no gun play in the house. Gotta watch the rounds too, you pack a buck shot in there, and you can kiss the bottom 2/3 goodbye as well from 25 paces. Be carefull with that tech.

 

[Mister Postman]

Just under 3oz dry from 1 22 inch PPP plant. Not a bad yeild at all... Actually about 1/2-3/4oz more then the other strains I've been running recently.

I smoked a sample, and this bud is something else. The high is exceptional, and the taste of it being uncured was very nice.. It's a nice clear headed, motivated high.. Although last night when I overindulged I sat starring at the nug jar, and just thinking of random shit for a good 40 minutes LOL.. So this is a very introspective. The thinking mans bud . It's a very up euphoric sativa high that comes on quick, and lasts a good while too. The taste of the uncured bud was very good, but an exact flavor was hard to pin down.. Truth is I have not tasted anything quite like this before..It does have a slight sweet citrus/pipe tobacco after taste, but up front it's more spicy, and sour . Very hard to describe, but I'm sure a good cure is going to really smoothen it out.

 

[redrider]

Damn.......

 

[pineappaloupe]

wow that looks really interesting...
you took clones right?
nice work.

 

[EckyThump]

looks tremendous that man. great job done. i have will have t get somem of my ppp seeds in when my WW are done.

peace

 

[Rosy Cheeks]

Here is what the strain descroption says for ppp

Power Plant (mostly Sativa) was developed in 1997 from new South African genetics. This strain has been inbred only, never hybridized. Very rich in THC. It is a strain with an enormous grow potential. Indoor as well as in a greenhouse the plants have an enormous yield. Indoors flowering starts already one week after turning back the light cycle to 12 hours. Outdoor flowering starts late, but the plants ripen very fast. This variety is very uniform. Strong up high, very soft smoke.

In fact, what Nirvana did was taking the Original Power Plant (from Dutch Passion seeds) and crossed it with one of their skunks. I believe they actually called it Power Plant at first, but since the original DP PP is copyrighted, they had to change it (the same thing happened with their AK-47 knock-off, which Simon at Serious Seeds forced them to change, and it became AK-48). Hilariously, they called it PURE Power Plant, which is exactly what it's not, since its mixed up with skunk genetics. The real Power Plant is pure, never hybridized. Which brings us to the text-description of the strain. If that's from Nirvana's catalogue, then they simply stole it, pasted it over from Dutch Passion's homepage. Here is where the original text is from:

http://www.dutch-passion.nl/home.php?p=interior&l=en

As you can see, it's not only copied, but it is false marketing, since they claim THEIR Power Plant knock-off is never hybridized, which it is. Note how the original Dutch Passion text says "developed BY US in 1997" while the Nirvana text omits it.
I've grown the real Power Plant, which is a great plant and that fits the text-description on the spot (although it is not very stable, in spite that it has never been hybridized). I've never come across purple bud in any of my DP PP phenos though, so who knows where that genetic trait came from.
In any case, you have a lovely grow going there Mister Postman, well-managed.

I've tried the bud-snipping technique, as well as FIMing the budshots in early flower to get multiple butshots straight from the start. To tell you the truth I couldn't make anything conclusive out of it. It didn't seem to increase yield (which is logical), only change the growth structure of the bud, making it more compact sideways, which in turn increases the chances for mold. Compare it with topping your plant, you get multiple branching and more (smaller) budsites, but not necessarily bigger yield. That all depends on the light quality and output and (together with root ball size). Buds do not grow by themselves, they're grown from the carbohydrates produced by the photosynthetic process (and nutrients). The most important aspect of this are the flower cluster leaves, which produce the bud-fuel. Your buds will never grow bigger than the amount of carbohydrates the cluster leaves surrounding it can produce, so the more light they get, the better they grow.
A technique I found interesting is the buddus interruptus. In week five in flower, you throw in a 24h light period (suppress one dark cycle), which result in a kind of mild stress where some extra vegetative growth appears. That extra leaf mass may actually have put some more weight into the buds, but it will have to be done in a rigid comparative grow before I can make any claims whatsoever.

PS: I just checked the Nirvana homepage, the text on PPP reads differently.

 

[Mister Postman]

In fact, what Nirvana did was taking the Original Power Plant (from Dutch Passion seeds) and crossed it with one of their skunks. I believe they actually called it Power Plant at first, but since the original DP PP is copyrighted, they had to change it (the same thing happened with their AK-47 knock-off, which Simon at Serious Seeds forced them to change, and it became AK-48). Hilariously, they called it PURE Power Plant, which is exactly what it's not, since its mixed up with skunk genetics. The real Power Plant is pure, never hybridized. Which brings us to the text-description of the strain. If that's from Nirvana's catalogue, then they simply stole it, pasted it over from Dutch Passion's homepage. Here is where the original text is from:

http://www.dutch-passion.nl/home.php?p=interior&l=en

As you can see, it's not only copied, but it is false marketing, since they claim THEIR Power Plant knock-off is never hybridized, which it is. Note how the original Dutch Passion text says "developed BY US in 1997" while the Nirvana text omits it.
I've grown the real Power Plant, which is a great plant and that fits the text-description on the spot (although it is not very stable, in spite that it has never been hybridized). I've never come across purple bud in any of my DP PP phenos though, so who knows where that genetic trait came from.
In any case, you have a lovely grow going there Mister Postman, well-managed.

I've tried the bud-snipping technique, as well as FIMing the budshots in early flower to get multiple butshots straight from the start. To tell you the truth I couldn't make anything conclusive out of it. It didn't seem to increase yield (which is logical), only change the growth structure of the bud, making it more compact sideways, which in turn increases the chances for mold. Compare it with topping your plant, you get multiple branching and more (smaller) budsites, but not necessarily bigger yield. That all depends on the light quality and output and (together with root ball size). Buds do not grow by themselves, they're grown from the carbohydrates produced by the photosynthetic process (and nutrients). The most important aspect of this are the flower cluster leaves, which produce the bud-fuel. Your buds will never grow bigger than the amount of carbohydrates the cluster leaves surrounding it can produce, so the more light they get, the better they grow.
A technique I found interesting is the buddus interruptus. In week five in flower, you throw in a 24h light period (suppress one dark cycle), which result in a kind of mild stress where some extra vegetative growth appears. That extra leaf mass may actually have put some more weight into the buds, but it will have to be done in a rigid comparative grow before I can make any claims whatsoever.

PS: I just checked the Nirvana homepage, the text on PPP reads differently.

Did Nirvana seeds buy this strain as I did, or did they steal it? I have no problem with Nirvana buying from other breeders, breeding, and selling their own seeds at half price. After all their selection was not from as many plants, and f1 not as stable, thus cheaper prices ok with me.. What I don't agree with, is it being hidin, and the exact plants used in the breeding unknown.. Do you know their breedings for a fact? I don't read forums much, but the majority I read on this subject was speculation, and assumtions from third parties. Did Nirvana ever release information about these breedings?

Why couldn't Nirvana just buy a pack of Power plant, and cross a male with a female, and toally leave out this unknown, but well spoken of skunk they supposedly use in all their crosses? That's the part I don't understand... why not just sell the f1 seeds from a pp x pp breeding at half price? Why even add the skunk? Doesn't make sense to me. Maybe you know better. Gonna be running their Jock Horror next. I heard that one was exceptional. Know anything bout the jock?

As far as the tipping.. With this plant I tipped 2 of the 9 growth shoots. 'Visusally' the second to the largest, and the second to the smallest. Upon harvest the second to largest tipped bud was the heaviest by 5 grams, next was the untipped bud I thought was the largest to start. Third was an untipped bud, but the fourth heaviest was the second to smallest tipped bud, and the rest as I said were left alone. Far from a sceintific experiment LOL, but I got the results that make it worth it to me, to mess around with this tech. a bit more.

 

[Rosy Cheeks]

The general business idea of Nirvana seeds is to take popular, potent strains (from other breeders), cross them with something else (skunk in general) and sell them as their own variety of that strain.
In a certain sense it is good, because Nirvana makes good quality genetics avaible to people with limited budgets. Nirvana is probably the bestselling seed producer today, mainly because of their modest prices, and that fact makes other breeders aware of that outrageous pricing is not the way to go.
On the other hand, one can understand other breeders' frustrations in developing and stabilizing new strains, a process that - if done right - take years, only to see Nirvana's knock-offs skim the profits off their work.
But the issue does not only concern Nirvana. If for instance Sam Skunkman's Skunk #1 was copyright protected for use in let's say crosses, then at least 60% of all strains on the market today would be illegal. Breeders "borrow" all the time, sometimes for better sometimes for worse.
By crossing a strain with skunk, Nirvana has created a new hybrid, or strain (the definition of "strain" is vague, sometimes a strain is nothing more than a superior pheno of a certain strain), whereas if they simply crossed two Dutch Passion Power Plants, it would still be Dutch Passion genetics.
I know nothing of Jock Horror, but one of my favourite strains is the original Jack Herer from Sensi Seeds. I've never grown it, but I never say no to smoking it.

 

[Mister Postman]

The general business idea of Nirvana seeds is to take popular, potent strains (from other breeders), cross them with something else (skunk in general) and sell them as their own variety of that strain.
In a certain sense it is good, because Nirvana makes good quality genetics avaible to people with limited budgets. Nirvana is probably the bestselling seed producer today, mainly because of their modest prices, and that fact makes other breeders aware of that outrageous pricing is not the way to go.
On the other hand, one can understand other breeders' frustrations in developing and stabilizing new strains, a process that - if done right - take years, only to see Nirvana's knock-offs skim the profits off their work.
But the issue does not only concern Nirvana. If for instance Sam Skunkman's Skunk #1 was copyright protected for use in let's say crosses, then at least 60% of all strains on the market today would be illegal. Breeders "borrow" all the time, sometimes for better sometimes for worse.
By crossing a strain with skunk, Nirvana has created a new hybrid, or strain (the definition of "strain" is vague, sometimes a strain is nothing more than a superior pheno of a certain strain), whereas if they simply crossed two Dutch Passion Power Plants, it would still be Dutch Passion genetics.
I know nothing of Jock Horror, but one of my favourite strains is the original Jack Herer from Sensi Seeds. I've never grown it, but I never say no to smoking it.

Sure that makes a lot a sense. I'm sure it's very frustrating, but I think money wise it works itself it out in the long run.. Myself like many made my first purchase with Nirvana as I didn't know if it was legit, and that I'd even get my product. After growing it out, and in my case producing better quality then you can get locally, it makes you start to wonder what those higher prices strains are like. Even if I produced crap I'd still wonder what those other strains are like LOL.. Not only that, but now that I have the basics of indoor growing down, and a few grows under my belt I'm much less afraid to spend $50-$100 on a good pack of seed. You start to place more value on stability, and quality of product after a while. It's not so much about just pulling a harvest, but more about pulling a harvest better then the last LOL.. You start seeking quality, and usually that comes with a price. Pretty much once you go up, you very rarely go back to purchasing less stable strains. As far as what nirvana offers the PPP, and Jock came highly recommended. I had to give them a go.

I guess breeding to a skunk is just an easier process, then to purchase seeds, and produce f1 with the strains your looking to offer for sale? One reason I can see is you only have to keep one male, and can actually place any number of strains in the room with him to get pollenated. This makes it much easier, but you pay in the long run with foreign genetics in your end result. Just don't why they would go that route other then space issues. I'd personally just offer fewer strains if it came down to that..If this is the case then, yeah, I'd be pretty frustrated if the names were the same too

 

[Guest]

I dont buy the whole skunk thing everyone says. I think that they are just F2's. Why would they cross with a skunk when they can just buy several packs and cross the best male and female? Just makes no sense to me why they would cross skunk to everything. I want to see Nirvana say that they use skunk in everything. There was no skunk in the White Rhino I grew.

 

[Rosy Cheeks]

Myself like many made my first purchase with Nirvana as I didn't know if it was legit, and that I'd even get my product. After growing it out, and in my case producing better quality then you can get locally, it makes you start to wonder what those higher prices strains are like.

Yes, Nirvana seeds are good for starters. If you ruin the grow, it won't hurt your economy that bad.
There's nothing wrong or about Skunk genetics. Skunk #1 is the (now stabilized) hybrid strain that has made the deepest impact on modern Cannabis cultivation. It is very potent, high yielding, and stable enough for serious breeding. If you cross it with other genetics, you will almost always get a superior hybrid out of it. The thing is, once you've been toking for a while and start to appreciate variety and differences in taste and genetics, getting that Skunk taste or feel in everything you smoke can become a nuisance.

The local weed you compared with your homegrown could very well be cashcropper weed. Commercial weed is almost always lower quality than homegrown.
The cashcropper's priority is not to grow the best quality genetics, but the best yielding genetics. His main objective is quantity, not quality. Time is often an important factor in commercial grows, genetics must be fast flowering, that way he can pull more grows and increase his output. But some of the better genetics out there take their time to reach full maturity, and while a conscientious homegrower pulls his plants at 10 weeks +, the cashcropper might pull his at 8 weeks, resulting in an inferior product.

It could be that marti's right, and that some of Nirvana's strains are straight thefts. I've grown a few Nirvana strains that were very stable. It made me wonder...

White Rhino is supposedly an Afghan X White Widow.