El Timbo
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Do you test all your plants to find the ones that can't be induced to produce opposite sex flowers by any means?
Nickles Advice for New Growers (Eco-Friendly Grows)
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Do you test all your plants to find the ones that can't be induced to produce opposite sex flowers by any means?
FTL
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Removing herms, 1:1 breeding, mono-clone growing its all commercial practice for money making.
exoticrobotic
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if it is associated with increase in medicinal properties keep it..
It always makes me chuckle when people say they preserved or recreated a line by first removing the runts and hermies.
If it was that good that you felt to preserve it why did you do a selection culling particular plants? that isnt preserving it.
i dunno...
if it is associated with increase in medicinal properties keep it..
It always makes me chuckle when people say they preserved or recreated a line by first removing the runts and hermies.
If it was that good that you felt to preserve it why did you do a selection culling particular plants? that isnt preserving it.
i dunno...
I was thinking about that laying in the bathtub, this guy needs a sativa leaning hybrid. It's a compromise. It would be nice to have rows of F1s. Have you had success with any full sativa?
I didnt know they offer Sotho, I may go see what they say. These came from Sotho in the 60s, and the line has been kept IBL since then. I would be extremely skeptical of the more modern versions. Pharmaceutical interests target these ancient medical strains ruthlessly.
I dont think Matekoane, sotho, is a good choice for the hybrid you need. Nigerian would be a better candidate.
FTL
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I was interested in Sotho for the medicinal aspects and the cold resistance.
Never ran any full NLD’s. Have run pure BLD and they’re not ideal but on a good year they can be really nice.... Key: on a good year.
You may be right about Sotho being mixed now, Who knows, but such is life I’m sure they’re still good lines.
Could be interesting to compare your line with them and maybe Outcross to them to get some vigor increase?
When was the last time you popped the sotho?
I’m leaning more towards Mexicans myself in the future just for the effects and finishablity.
Never ran any full NLD’s. Have run pure BLD and they’re not ideal but on a good year they can be really nice.... Key: on a good year.
You may be right about Sotho being mixed now, Who knows, but such is life I’m sure they’re still good lines.
Could be interesting to compare your line with them and maybe Outcross to them to get some vigor increase?
When was the last time you popped the sotho?
I’m leaning more towards Mexicans myself in the future just for the effects and finishablity.
That's right. If you need CBD for example, then you need hemp to squeeze.
If you need THCV, or THC, then your needs will not be found in hemp.
Although some good mixes can be made, even if it is a one time crop. Hemp crossed with a drug plant, lowers the drug plant thc by half, and raises the CBD in it half of what the hemp had. Of course if you cross these plants they will degrade into hemp after a few generations and the medicinal properties are lost completely and it has reverted to hemp because that is the dominant side.
PlastikeRubba
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"This is known as 12-1 and keeps the plant in vegetative growth"
If Cannabis loves the dark why are you interrupting it for an hour in veg.
Tell us, does the "12/1 cycle" magically make my roots grow fatter or some shit?
The language you potheads use makes me think you're all actually the same person talking from multiple personalities.
If Cannabis loves the dark why are you interrupting it for an hour in veg.
Tell us, does the "12/1 cycle" magically make my roots grow fatter or some shit?
The language you potheads use makes me think you're all actually the same person talking from multiple personalities.
When we remove that hour of light that interrupts the dark period, then the plant begins to flower. It starts to make marijuana. That's why we do it. This is described in detail in the first post. It keeps the plant in vegetative growth, that one hour interruption...
I'll try to think of a way to make it more fool proof to understand. So thanks for speaking up.
The only magic you get out of it is better quality weed, and saving money.
More than that... Well it's more ecologically friendly too. I guess that can be counted in as a positive. Plus you get new eyes. You can see zombies. Zombie growers. That's pretty cool huh? Ok yeah. Its magic.Yeah, people that have a background in plant biology or horticultural arts do in fact have a common vocabulary of terms to understand each other so that communication happens. Terms like photoperiod, photoprotection, day neutral plants... that's all horticultural terms, biology basicly. I recommend a horticulture book earlier. The same methods to grow short day plants is in there more detailed. I could possible attach a glossary of terms so we can improve communication a bit. If anyone doesnt know a word or what the concept is, please research it, or ask. Maybe someone has the time and likely others wanted to ask too.
I try to keep it as close to normal speech as possible. If I say cannabis inflorescences, a lot of people will be like
... but if I say cannabis buds, they get it. Same thing: cannabis inflorescences = marijuanna. Just different terminologyBut I'm not going to call the flowering period flipping lights. Y'all can forget that.
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It's a good question and I think someone needs to do real evidence based research into it. We can approach it with reason to for a sort of hypothesis. Its after the stress, that the pollen is produced. Pollen produced under stress. We must compare that to pollen produced in better conditions, and as much optimal conditions as possible. Full automation baby! Then compare.
Here is my untested hypothesis:
Pollen produced from induced hermaphroditism in cannabis is less viable, is made in smaller quantity, and produced later into the flowering stage, and produces offspring which have lower vigor and lower drug content, as well as lowered immunity and pathogen resistance as well as lowered resistance to pests.
See, this builds on the experiment from earlier which directly said
"Here, we demonstrate that masculinization of female plants impacts whole-plant pollen production and pollen fitness in Cannabis sativa."
It's up to us to repeat the test, and even take it further, to test the hypothesis. What's your hypothesis? Want to dive into testing this coming year?
Your test may mean something especially if you use clones.
That testing idea is ridiculous, so no, I'm not retarded. Going herm is a natural built in emergency survival strategy to become cosexual under certain conditions. I wouldnt want to take the survival skills away from any plant or animal. But it need to happen in the proper situation, an emergency situation to continue the species. And that's the whole problem. As its bred in and passed around, it's happening when it's not needed, not wanted, and not necessary.
It's not really the forums fault. It's the exploiters and their proven effective techniques to program good non thinking consumers.
Well it used to be so uncommon and hard to get because of the primitive and remoteness you had actually to go there to get it. That made the price very high for the seeds. Eventually a few master growers made some seeds. It's not the only cannabis drug plant in africa with unique medicinal properties. There is work being done to put the medicine back in cannabis, and sotho may be one of several contributors to this polyhybrid project. The last I saw the test said 11% THC, 25 terpenes... cant remeber CBD I think it was at 3% roughly. Not generally my smoke but I cant wait to get my hands on it! I think about it at least once a week.
A lot of people dont have what they are looking for because the medicine has been bred out of cannabis in favor of making the grower happy. Cannabis that is bottlenecked into THC content and bud weight (inflorescences). The plant has a certain amount of potential energy, and if all that energy is directed to produce mostly one chemical compound, and certain traits, through selection the other compounds weaken, or fall out of the genetics completely to make room for what is being selected for.
Hiddenjems
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With co2 levels over 1200ppm you can hit cannabis with a Dli over 70 with no photoprotection. Photoprotection kicks in when more photons strike the chloroplast than can be processed. Being short on water or co2 for the given light intensity brings on photoprotection.Like I said earlier there is a point of diminished return.
Can they drink up a lot of intense light? You bet!
Can they do that indefinitely??????
Obviously.... no.
When they have met their requirements (saturation) PHOTOPROTECTION begins and the plant stops transpiration. Nap time.
Remeber this word from the first post? Look it up.
Do you grow @RequiredUsername? I'd love to see your plants 
That's right, and if plants weren't in a co2 crisis right now, cannabis would be able to mount a defense against mildew and pests before the whole plant is effected. Adding co2 makes them very happy and more efficient. Not only can you increase light intensity, but also they can tolerate hotter and colder conditions, and they use less water! But there is the point of diminished return. If you look at the graph, a small increase from the level now makes a huge difference, but it's not infinite. It's not Jack's beanstalk. After a while adding more co2 isnt worth it. Just like adding more light, adding more and more co2 will kill the plant. Aim for ~1000 ppm for the most bang out of Becky.
One day... we will find Jack's beans, Beavis. One day.
But for new growers, these advanced techniques often come much later. Some folks are a bit busy trying to get a few plants to survive through light flippin stage. And that's great. Everyone starts out the same, and we get more experienced. It's good for them to think about and implement if they can though. So it's cool it gets a mention.
Before people refined how to, we used to mix jugs of sugar water and put yeast inside. Put a small hole in the lid and hang them high so that the co2 fell over the plants, gets moved around by the fans. We had no way to measure or anything but damn that weed was goooood. It was crude, and the enrichment was likely minimal, but it did make a noticeable difference in the medicine.
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Hiddenjems
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Yes, we’re coming off all time low co2 numbers for atmospheric co2. Much lower and plants would start dying.
That's right. What we are seeing now as normal cannabis is actually dwarf cannabis. With 1500ppm c02 cannabis would easily be three times as big or bigger. So would many other life forms in that environment. Imagine a watermelon but 300% it's normal size! It's not the same for all plants, not all plants benefit so greatly from the same levels, but woody plants, (cannabis is a c3 woody plant) like cannabis love it.
So that leads me to the next thing about co2 enrichment. It not only makes cannabis bigger stronger more powerful and efficient, it also does the same for the bad guys. Bugs and other bad things too often will "scale up" as well. There is also a danger using co2 where it builds up and can kill you if safety isn't taken seriously. So no, it's not all Roses, but it can be a great enhancement to enrich with co2.
Photosynthesis stops at about 100ppm I think. My memory is bad. We wont live to see it that low. We would be eating the neighbors if it dipped below 200. Mass chaos.
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What data ist your fundament for those hypotheses? Sounds like u made it up in your head. Is there something other than: less pollen and pollen less viable? Any data that shows correlation between synthetic herming and higher susceptibility to pathogens and cranky offspring? Please share. "Its what I observed" does not count
