newer breeders

[CaptainDankness]

In cananbis there are no strains so there are no breeders. Thats simply enough it is all like marketing and business. I have never grown any seeds thet are uniform as strain had to be some ''breeders'' are more transparent what they do but cannabis is not easy for breeding i grow some ''strians'' who have same daddy or mum. And in some crosses it is very good in some it is bad no ''breeder'' know what will bee in seeds from its cross. All seeds are trying to recreate some cultivar for example Amnesia core cut but in seeds of Amnesia you got lots of crap and some good, few close to clone or original culitvar. So becouse of that we dont smoke anything better than before. NLhaze,OG kush,Sour Diesel,white widow,SSH. You cant have something better than that only another name buggat,gucci,gellato and shits. If you want good phenos from some cross i will say you go with some indicas more chance to find keepers. In sativa it is harder to find with hazes expecially you can flower for 120 days and ended with tottaly bull shit some cannaseur will appriciate that kind of uplitng state but lots will say that they are not high just. If you see in 2019 what are we wating Sour Diesel and A5haze....when u see that you know that there is no breeding. These cultivars are old like 30 years. I havent smoke anything better or stronger than before just renamed hype names. And breedrs be like sensi and all sucks im better i have no watered down genetics which is the worst fraze my mind heard in lots. From every pack no mather hos is it watered down you can find something good. I grown many respectable breeders. But what i see i dont find aything better then before just renamed. All seed banks have one female or male and cross it to everithing and make hype. What can i say people these days smoke hemp with cbd what can i say more. Ace malawi is everithing,Karma Biker everithing,Rare dankness RD1 everything. Im not hate it is just true. I saw many grows of new hyped strains but i never saw smoke report of someone that states i have never smell or smoked before that kind of terpens and high.

Yeah, I've never grew anything truly uniform, though some strains have different characteristics to aim for. I know that one newer breeder Bigworm has some really nice looking purple strains that seem like they are truly more likely to turn purple than anything really old anyways. I have to try him first before I know for sure but he does have a bit of fans.



Also I'm convinced someone can lock down a flavor fairly well, like Blueberry you are definitely more likely to find blueberry flavor in that then anything not using DJ's work. Just very few do the work, you definitely can breed this plant, it's just not very easy to bottleneck, but we can hone in on some traits.



Not too mention I'm very interested in these plant breeders rights, from the UPOV it sounds as though you need real true breeding cannabis that is new, not been in the public, and with Phylyos we can almost prove that. I know Hortapharm holds several, I just haven't been able to find anything about the protected cultivars.

 

[subrob]

Yeah, I've never grew anything truly uniform, though some strains have different characteristics to aim for. I know that one newer breeder Bigworm has some really nice looking purple strains that seem like they are truly more likely to turn purple than anything really old anyways. I have to try him first before I know for sure but he does have a bit of fans.



Also I'm convinced someone can lock down a flavor fairly well, like Blueberry you are definitely more likely to find blueberry flavor in that then anything not using DJ's work. Just very few do the work, you definitely can breed this plant, it's just not very easy to bottleneck, but we can hone in on some traits.



Not too mention I'm very interested in these plant breeders rights, from the UPOV it sounds as though you need real true breeding cannabis that is new, not been in the public, and with Phylyos we can almost prove that. I know Hortapharm holds several, I just haven't been able to find anything about the protected cultivars.

Just a few quick notes: you want something purple? I don't know who big worm is, but you can find purple all over the place. Look up Mel's work
You want blueberry? While not as common as purple, not too hard either.
And Phylos? Yaaaa...I think they are pretty much screwed on anything they haven't already mapped. There isn't a grower on the planet that will be sending those pieces of shit anything anymore.

 

[zachrockbadenof]

we have spent 1000's of $$$ on seeds from many/many top 'breeders'... but the best weed we ever grew was a 1 or 2 dollar seed from nirvana... a jock horror... being old and stupid didn't take any cuttings and after going thru 2+ packs of Jock horror never found anything close - ran a pack of jack herer...same deal... nothing remotely close...

 

[Som 2]

Yeah, I've never grew anything truly uniform, though some strains have different characteristics to aim for. I know that one newer breeder Bigworm has some really nice looking purple strains that seem like they are truly more likely to turn purple than anything really old anyways. I have to try him first before I know for sure but he does have a bit of fans.

I have a line I made in the early '90s from two different pools of Mexican brickweed. There is a little bit of variation from plant to plant in terms of the look of the leaves but the flowers are very consistent in terms of potency, flavor, aroma and look, just slight variations on the same phenotype. I suspect that a lot of what we are seeing in the variability of modern cannabis comes from the fact that we have been crossing polyhybrid to polyhybrid for the last 25 years and then selecting a lot of novel recessive traits.

Whenever I cross my vintage Mexican with modern varieties it always takes over the cross, which suggests that there are a lot more recessive traits in modern cannabis than in the older version.

I suspect that if you found multiple populations of old cannabis lines from the same region you could breed consistent stable varieties from them.

You could also probably breed modern cannabis back to that point where it is consistent from plant to plant but it would probably require plant populations that are way beyond the means of most of us.

 

[CaptainDankness]

Yeah, I did notice that back in the day selling brick weed, you'd get pound after pound of the same shit then finally you got something different. I highly doubt that they were using clones but the bud was always pretty consistent in each batch.



Would be nice if Mexican brick was still around. I wouldn't mind trying a couple of seeds. Lol

 

[Earlmarne]

Tonygreen is pretty new I think. I had amazing results with his gb bx2 line.
Thugpug is a newer guy I cant find info on on here. Super bad ass plants found in a single 10 pack.
Dbj, lbl freebies produced one of the best plants Ive ever had.
I dont fully understand the work going in to what folks refer to as “true breeding”. My interest is in the results I get. Finding plants representing the characteristics I was looking for when purchasing a certain cross.
I chucked some pollen for the first time this round. If I can find plants that share characteristics that I hoped would come together I will feel it a success.
Im also super impressed with Karma.
I guess in my head, time in the game is very low on my priorities when choosing beans. Im looking for folks trying to build plants that meet my current needs/wants.
Instagram has proven a good resource for me. I can search for a certain strain and see multiple growers results.

 

[Oregonism]

Dioecious obligate out-crossers are probably like 1% of all plant populations, so it is a very specialized form of sexual expression, to prevent against inbreeding. That explains alot of the stabilizing patterns imho. Even the most stable will spit out 3+phenos...they even tried identifying chemotypes of skunk in 2018 from pcr and they found 3 novel Chemotype/phenotypes, in a simple analysis.
Thats why selfing out to f4 or f5 and then hybridizing or going to female cut onlys is more successful at stabilization of a trait.
Are newer breeders even aware of basic botany, many dont seem to care.....I could go on and on mendellian ratios, linkage, non linkage epistasis, etc.....these are all techniques for plant selecting imho, in addition to the core wants, like potency, yield, etc

 

[CannaRed]

Yeah, I did notice that back in the day selling brick weed, you'd get pound after pound of the same shit then finally you got something different. I highly doubt that they were using clones but the bud was always pretty consistent in each batch.



Would be nice if Mexican brick was still around. I wouldn't mind trying a couple of seeds. Lol

Come to Virginia, talk to black folk.
Brick is alive.

 

[Cannabologist]

Yeah, I did notice that back in the day selling brick weed, you'd get pound after pound of the same shit then finally you got something different. I highly doubt that they were using clones but the bud was always pretty consistent in each batch.

Would be nice if Mexican brick was still around. I wouldn't mind trying a couple of seeds. Lol

PPPppppppft I have... Eh.. I got a good amount of Mexican brick, aka shwig aka mexican 'sativa' aka garbage aka hey... this stuff is actually pretty good if you grow it decently don't let it get seeded dry it right and don't smash it down with your feet and pack it into a football brick later for some one to hustle across lines. Prone to herms. idk if you really wanna grow it theres a reason Ive sat on beans for like. years. lol