newer breeders

[CaptainDankness]

Mostly just wondering how good some of these new guys are, just so many new breeders. I've heard of a few selling up to F4's.



I know that Meangene guy sounds pretty good, but $300 for 10 seeds, guy is fucking crazy!! They are F4's but that better be top shelf in every seed. Lol, recently heard of some female breeder Melvanetics or something like that, apparently she gets her hands on good genetics and sells an F3 for $75, that one I might try out can't remember all the strains she had but I'm kind of interested in one strain.



Of course, everytime I go to one of these US seedbank sites it's just flooded with breeders you never seem to hear about. I imagine some are probably really good, but it would be damn near impossible to try them all. Not too mention, I still need to try more Karma gear I only got 2 freebies of Jack Oneisa and those were better than the seeds I paid for. Lol

 

[Lost in a SOG]

Some of them are "new" but many have also obv been messing with the best gear in the US for decades.. Swamp boys, cornbread and krome, jump to mind, CSI(nspecta) and 707(sha bud) also money mike and JJ at Topdawg etc.. all top breeders or at the least high quality producers of the best cup winning fire out there.

I also rate chefro (people under the stairs), cannarado, seed junkies, thug pug, archive(even tho the dr can be a dick lol). Yet to pop anything by Compound, thunderfudge, in house and a few others but they seem to know whats up as well.

Some of the new gear is kinda more a day smoke as we would see it generally, or extremely mourish, with loads of flavour because of legalisation. which only works if you can grow ganja well, which evidentally most cant in the uk, mostly due to the limitations of legality on quality and education id say.

The standards are high over there and getting higher for artisan quality product and personally im ridiculously grateful to all my cousins in the states putting fire in seed form for the masses. They are also proper ganja growers that had their ass in the grass for decades not some dutch suits trying to figure out how to ride the cali cut wave.

Karma is one of the best breeders out there for sure. Thats my garbled lol

 

[Mtn. Nectar]

recombining hacks is the name of game for most.........but few can be thought of as true breeders..........

best in choice........
ganj on...................

 

[Lost in a SOG]

As i see it the term breeder is a bit of a loaded word in cannabis because you dont need to do any line work to make something amazingly good to smoke.

Also most if not all dont really refer to themselves as breeders very often because of this. Just seedbanks making polyhybrids from clone only polyhybrids. But if the genetics nick well youve got something everyone wants, for a few months or years. Youve got to start somewhere..

 

[MezOner]

Some of them are "new" but many have also obv been messing with the best gear in the US for decades.. Swamp boys, cornbread and krome, jump to mind, CSI(nspecta) and 707(sha bud) also money mike and JJ at Topdawg etc.. all top breeders or at the least high quality producers of the best cup winning fire out there.

I also rate chefro (people under the stairs), cannarado, seed junkies, thug pug, archive(even tho the dr can be a dick lol). Yet to pop anything by Compound, thunderfudge, in house and a few others but they seem to know whats up as well.

Some of the new gear is kinda more a day smoke as we would see it generally, or extremely mourish, with loads of flavour because of legalisation. which only works if you can grow ganja well, which evidentally most cant in the uk, mostly due to the limitations of legality on quality and education id say.

The standards are high over there and getting higher for artisan quality product and personally im ridiculously grateful to all my cousins in the states putting fire in seed form for the masses. They are also proper ganja growers that had their ass in the grass for decades not some dutch suits trying to figure out how to ride the cali cut wave.

Karma is one of the best breeders out there for sure. Thats my garbled lol

When you look at cost to finding something elite to keep for years to come it doesn't seem too expensive. All those breeders have stuff im interested in.

 

[Mr. J]

It's a lot harder to get good seeds than it used to be in the late 90's-early 00's. Seems to me that everyone (mostly everyone, still a few real breeders) is just taking pollen from everything and throwing it at everything else, and then selling overpriced untested gear based solely on the reputation of the parent plants (which half the time are the same cut named differently and reversed) and giving them silly names. But that's just me.

 

[Prodigygrower]

You can never go wrong with karma topdawg or bodhi. Rite now I’m runny prolific coast seeds , stray fox gardens and oni seed co’s gear and they all look fire check those guys out. I know stray sells his gear for like tops 75 a pack worth every penny.

 

[Mr. J]

It hurts me to look at old CC mags with Marc Emery's old seed catalogs at the back. If I knew then what I know now...

 

[CannaRed]

Melvanetics isn't really new. She been breeding for years.
Buckeye

 

[Mr D]

Mostly just wondering how good some of these new guys are, just so many new breeders. I've heard of a few selling up to F4's.



I know that Meangene guy sounds pretty good, but $300 for 10 seeds, guy is fucking crazy!! They are F4's but that better be top shelf in every seed. Lol, recently heard of some female breeder Melvanetics or something like that, apparently she gets her hands on good genetics and sells an F3 for $75, that one I might try out can't remember all the strains she had but I'm kind of interested in one strain.



Of course, everytime I go to one of these US seedbank sites it's just flooded with breeders you never seem to hear about. I imagine some are probably really good, but it would be damn near impossible to try them all. Not too mention, I still need to try more Karma gear I only got 2 freebies of Jack Oneisa and those were better than the seeds I paid for. Lol

Not a new breeder but maybe a new name to some, LED Seedz.
IG ledseedz at Headiegardens.com for more info.

All his gear is the result of decades of work, it's been tested and retested and the prices are good. I've been running 2 of his strains for about a year now and I'm extremely pleased.

 

[Jammal]

Not all that impressed

Stick with the top 20 or so tried and true strains from the old guard.

Seriously what new stuff stacks up against SSH or white Russian,,,shiva skunk,,kali mist,and the like..

I like to try new things to but even afghani #1 is a true powerhouse that can give any new hybrid a run for its money and more than likely leave it in the dust.
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New stuff-stick to the ones that have a signature and not just doing everything every one else is doing.

 

[CaptainDankness]

Not all that impressed

Stick with the top 20 or so tried and true strains from the old guard.

Seriously what new stuff stacks up against SSH or white Russian,,,shiva skunk,,kali mist,and the like..

I like to try new things to but even afghani #1 is a true powerhouse that can give any new hybrid a run for its money and more than likely leave it in the dust.
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New stuff-stick to the ones that have a signature and not just doing everything every one else is doing.

I've done most of the old school strains, but I'm kind of under the impression that a good breeder could bring a little more dankness into a line by breeding it forward several generations.



I don't really want to buy a knock off S1 of a clone only. A well worked and improved version, now that would be nice. It's clearly possible as some of these new strains are testing up to 30% THC and you know some have been working towards higher terpine profiles.



The problem is, how many of these newer breeders are seriously trying to make improvements? I imagine most are just trying to make some money, even a lot of bigger breeders, cough cough, (greenhouse). I imagine a few of these little known breeders are really trying hard to produce something unique. They can't all be like Subfool. Lol

 

[CaptainDankness]

It hurts me to look at old CC mags with Marc Emery's old seed catalogs at the back. If I knew then what I know now...

Yeah, would have been great making F2's of everything before the fem seeds took over. So many great genetics never to be seen again.



You can't possibly breed the same version in fem seeds the fathers genetics are gone. We definitely did lose tons of genetics, I would imagine anything really good some breeders bought several packs and froze them. Hortapharm seems like a good possibility, God I want see what Sam really has hidden in there. Lol

 

[Mr. J]

I plan to start from scratch. P1 pure sativa and pure indica. I just need to find a really nice true breeding Afghani line. Then the adventure begins.

 

[troutman]

I'm doing my own breeding thing for now and hope to create something good.
It's not easy when you do it the right way. It's a numbers game and nothing
is assured. Would be nice seeing more people breeding from various Landraces
vs knocking only modern hybrids like most do.

 

[kamyo]

I'm not sure how I feel about it. They've done more work than I have, so it's important that I always keep that in mind. At the same time, it would be nice to see newer breeders working with older stock, or at least something less polyhybrid, and see about rebuilding and recreating. But hey, if you want it done, do it yourself, right? I might be moving an inch at a time, but I like the idea of ignoring the en vogue strains in favor of taking a different path and seeing if it even matters.

Although quality is highly subjective when it comes to cannabis, there's some amazing quality (imo) coming out now. But it appears that the gene pool is becoming more and more homogeneous with each passing day. It's hard to deny the quality, though.

Historically, the things most in-demand are those most coveted and difficult to obtain. But with the once elusive elites being crossed, selfed, crossed again, and sent out to the masses in a cash grab, those genetics cease to be difficult to obtain. So what takes their place?

If I was a betting man, I'd say we'll see a resurgence of demand for quality sativas and closer-to-landrace genetics than we have now. It may even be referred to as "exotic" because it simply isn't more of the same. Cannabis can only get so potent, and as we've seen with alcohol, it isn't the percentage that attracts the consumers; it's the quality and unique, desirable characteristics.

Granted, this could all be currently happening and I'm just not aware. Not really familiar with the market in the States and I've just about stopped keeping track of all the new stuff coming out.

But hey, if there's a market for it, then go right on ahead and keep crossing this with that. Not my cup of tea, but I have no problem with people doing their thing as long as it doesn't hurt other people.

 

[subrob]

The problem with 'new breeders' is that they are not a problem. I'm not one to say who is a breeder and who is not. The vast majority of the seed sellers I see are doing what any successful grower can do themselves, but don't want to for a variety of reasons. But it is still providing a service worth paying for. How much a grower is willing to pay for said service varies, but the most ridiculous price I've ever seen for seeds is easily justifiable if it is as advertised. Maybe not for a closet floro grower who is working 60 hrs a week to get by, but I see seeds all over for 50 a pack that I would grow.
There are levels in the seed game. It is the consumers responsibility to find out what level a seed seller is on. It is the sellers responsibility to sell seeds. It's legal. The hippy honor code no longer applies. Do your research. And the forums are full of old info that can be dug up to answer today's questions.

 

[IncenseRosemary]

In cananbis there are no strains so there are no breeders. Thats simply enough it is all like marketing and business. I have never grown any seeds thet are uniform as strain had to be some ''breeders'' are more transparent what they do but cannabis is not easy for breeding i grow some ''strians'' who have same daddy or mum. And in some crosses it is very good in some it is bad no ''breeder'' know what will bee in seeds from its cross. All seeds are trying to recreate some cultivar for example Amnesia core cut but in seeds of Amnesia you got lots of crap and some good, few close to clone or original culitvar. So becouse of that we dont smoke anything better than before. NLhaze,OG kush,Sour Diesel,white widow,SSH. You cant have something better than that only another name buggat,gucci,gellato and shits. If you want good phenos from some cross i will say you go with some indicas more chance to find keepers. In sativa it is harder to find with hazes expecially you can flower for 120 days and ended with tottaly bull shit some cannaseur will appriciate that kind of uplitng state but lots will say that they are not high just. If you see in 2019 what are we wating Sour Diesel and A5haze....when u see that you know that there is no breeding. These cultivars are old like 30 years. I havent smoke anything better or stronger than before just renamed hype names. And breedrs be like sensi and all sucks im better i have no watered down genetics which is the worst fraze my mind heard in lots. From every pack no mather hos is it watered down you can find something good. I grown many respectable breeders. But what i see i dont find aything better then before just renamed. All seed banks have one female or male and cross it to everithing and make hype. What can i say people these days smoke hemp with cbd what can i say more. Ace malawi is everithing,Karma Biker everithing,Rare dankness RD1 everything. Im not hate it is just true. I saw many grows of new hyped strains but i never saw smoke report of someone that states i have never smell or smoked before that kind of terpens and high.

 

[DJXX]

The problem with 'new breeders' is that they are not a problem. I'm not one to say who is a breeder and who is not. The vast majority of the seed sellers I see are doing what any successful grower can do themselves, but don't want to for a variety of reasons. But it is still providing a service worth paying for. How much a grower is willing to pay for said service varies, but the most ridiculous price I've ever seen for seeds is easily justifiable if it is as advertised. Maybe not for a closet floro grower who is working 60 hrs a week to get by, but I see seeds all over for 50 a pack that I would grow.
There are levels in the seed game. It is the consumers responsibility to find out what level a seed seller is on. It is the sellers responsibility to sell seeds. It's legal. The hippy honor code no longer applies. Do your research. And the forums are full of old info that can be dug up to answer today's questions.

thanks Subrob....the above is spot on....you said it best.....DJXX

....The hippie honor code no longer applies....

 

[IncenseRosemary]

Also i must say that some really commercial ''breeders'' can make good things not just bodhi,karma,ace...for example strongest smoke i ever had was Shiva Skunk i kill the mum cuz its high was so strong that nobody wants to smoke it. It was realy day ender when i go through OG pack no plant was close to that raw power of indica shiva skunk. Best Cookies cut i smoke is peyote cookies by barney farm it beats any cut of cookies i smoked even the forum and platinum. It is perfect mix of cookies and peyote,purple leafs white golf ball nuggets rock hard but with sweet incensed baked limey dough smell and taste to die for. It is magic in beans to have good pheno u just need big numbers of plants or good luck and thats it.