New grower question on yield

[spongiereggae]

Sorry, when I read you post and thread title I thought you meant this was your 1st time.
and yeah, we still call it "kind" bud.

Yeah, I'm a new grower but not a first timer, although as I said in my first post I did this one kind of half-assed, mainly just to see if I'd like it. I'm finding that I like it a lot.

 

[someotherguy]

Yeah, I'm a new grower but not a first timer, although as I said in my first post I did this one kind of half-assed, mainly just to see if I'd like it. I'm finding that I like it a lot.

careful man! ...growin' is highly addictive! ...dirt gets under your skin, lol.

peace, SOG

 

[spongiereggae]

careful man! ...growin' is highly addictive! ...dirt gets under your skin, lol.

No doubt SOG! The first time I looked at trichs under a scope I was hooked!

 

[someotherguy]

No doubt SOG! The first time I looked at trichs under a scope I was hooked!

yeah man, lol, like the icing on the cake!



peace, SOG

 

[m00nchild]

You will definitely need to go HPS to hit the numbers you are talking about hitting. You will definitely need to stagger your harvests, meaning you will need to have a veg room and a bloom room. You will more than likely need to set up a cloning station as well, but that can go in the veg room, of course.

Some people have recommended hydro, but I highly discourage you from going that route. It will just make it too complicated for you. Sure, there are uncomplicated forms of hydro, relatively speaking, but no matter what it will be more for you to think about, and potentially worry over, than soil would be.

Don't listen to anyone who tries to tell you that you won't get more than 2 ounces per plant in soil. That's just silly. I see people getting up to 2 ounces per plant in little 1-gallon soil containers inside of 4 sq ft grow cabinets under a 400w hps all the time, so don't believe the hype. Hydro is fun, yes. Those of us who like gadgets and automation and stuff like that, LOVE hydro. But soil is dependable, and chances are you already know how to work it, so stick with it for now, and don't add any more variables to your new project.

IMO, in order to properly plan your grow out and get things down to a science, you will need to procure yourself some known, good genetics. Especially in order to get the yield you are looking for. With the right genetics, and the correct training methods per strain, you will easily be able to get a half-pound per plant or more, in soil, under 1000w HPS lamps. Growing trees, you could easily get a pound per plant.

These are just my stream of consciousness ramblings. I hope some of it is helpful.

 

[jammie]

Thanks, jammi. Old stoners have to stick together, eh?

I'm a little too paranoid to order from the seed shops--I even paid cash at the hydro store to keep my name out of any records. In my work I've gotten to know quite a few retired cops (I train disabled people in various computer skills), and most of them are really good guys who couldn't care less if you smoke, but a few are jerks. One of them who had worked narc for a while told me about sitting in his undercover car across the street from a grow store taking down license plates of people visiting the shop. He then surveilled a few of the most likely looking people and made a few busts. I'm sure that's the exception rather than the rule, but I've never gotten that story out of my head.

Anyway, thanks for your help!

i'm still too paranoid about going anywhere near a hydro shop. i get everything online

 

[Justin_Credible]

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But soil is dependable, and chances are you already know how to work it, so stick with it for now, and don't add any more variables to your new project.

^^^^
Good advice
A good friend of mine told me when I made the switch to coco, "yeah sure try coco, but dirt has been working just fine for millions of years"

i'm still too paranoid about going anywhere near a hydro shop. i get everything online

DH baby!

puff puff pass the bubble hash

 

[spongiereggae]

Okay, well, now I have a dilemma. I do like using soil, it's easy and I've already got most of the stuff I need except hps lights and a soil tester. But most of the responses I've gotten have said that hydro is the way to go for good yields. And now that I've spent numerous hours reading about it and considering different systems, I've kind of caught the hydro bug, and am looking forward to trying it. And it seems to me that long-term hydro is cheaper (since I can reuse hydroton but not soil) and less work once it's set up since the watering is done for me. I'll lose some vertical space, but I've got 8 ft to work with so I'm not worried about that.

It's true, soil has worked for millennia, but I'm comfortable with new technology (not that hydro is all that new), so I think I'm going to give it a shot.

But thanks anyway for the input!

Jammie--you're not necessarily safe ordering online, even from "trusted" sources. It doesn't take much for law enforcement, if they're in the mood, to trace back your purchases to you. They don't even necessarily need to bust the source--all they need to do is access the sources computer, which, trust me, they can do. There's no such thing as a secure computer system, most can be accessed remotely without the owner's knowledge. They can also access the records of Visa or MasterCard to see who's been purchasing from a particular site. Does it happen often? No. But it CAN happen. Seems silly sometimes, but better paranoid than busted. In any case, stay safe!

 

[someotherguy]

Okay, well, now I have a dilemma. I do like using soil, it's easy and I've already got most of the stuff I need except hps lights and a soil tester. But most of the responses I've gotten have said that hydro is the way to go for good yields. And now that I've spent numerous hours reading about it and considering different systems, I've kind of caught the hydro bug, and am looking forward to trying it. And it seems to me that long-term hydro is cheaper (since I can reuse hydroton but not soil) and less work once it's set up since the watering is done for me. I'll lose some vertical space, but I've got 8 ft to work with so I'm not worried about that.

It's true, soil has worked for millennia, but I'm comfortable with new technology (not that hydro is all that new), so I think I'm going to give it a shot.

But thanks anyway for the input!

Jammie--you're not necessarily safe ordering online, even from "trusted" sources. It doesn't take much for law enforcement, if they're in the mood, to trace back your purchases to you. They don't even necessarily need to bust the source--all they need to do is access the sources computer, which, trust me, they can do. There's no such thing as a secure computer system, most can be accessed remotely without the owner's knowledge. They can also access the records of Visa or MasterCard to see who's been purchasing from a particular site. Does it happen often? No. But it CAN happen. Seems silly sometimes, but better paranoid than busted. In any case, stay safe!

when i bought seeds from the boutique i sent a money
order, when i bought seeds for the JoeShmoe charity
auction i sent cash.

i have to say that i was nervous sending cash but if
you think about it, unless you're dealing with a total
thief, the person you buy from wants to send the beans.

either way, i felt willing to lose the cash rather than
leave little electronic footprints, lol.

peace, SOG

 

[jammie]

Okay, well, now I have a dilemma. I do like using soil, it's easy and I've already got most of the stuff I need except hps lights and a soil tester. But most of the responses I've gotten have said that hydro is the way to go for good yields. And now that I've spent numerous hours reading about it and considering different systems, I've kind of caught the hydro bug, and am looking forward to trying it. And it seems to me that long-term hydro is cheaper (since I can reuse hydroton but not soil) and less work once it's set up since the watering is done for me. I'll lose some vertical space, but I've got 8 ft to work with so I'm not worried about that.

It's true, soil has worked for millennia, but I'm comfortable with new technology (not that hydro is all that new), so I think I'm going to give it a shot.

But thanks anyway for the input!

Jammie--you're not necessarily safe ordering online, even from "trusted" sources. It doesn't take much for law enforcement, if they're in the mood, to trace back your purchases to you. They don't even necessarily need to bust the source--all they need to do is access the sources computer, which, trust me, they can do. There's no such thing as a secure computer system, most can be accessed remotely without the owner's knowledge. They can also access the records of Visa or MasterCard to see who's been purchasing from a particular site. Does it happen often? No. But it CAN happen. Seems silly sometimes, but better paranoid than busted. In any case, stay safe!

yep- your right, but the best i can do is minimize the risk. if your looking into hydro, my dwc system is as easy and cheap as can be and i usually get 4 or so z's from a plant that vegged for 4 weeks

 

[LUDACRIS]

master the basics - lighting, nutes, temp, humidity, etc.. and the yield will come. good luck!

Thats the name of the game and you can never estimate yields as every garden/grower and environment is different.

LUDA.

 

[Tweexican]

But the definite idea is HPS over HID for flowering for the best yield?

 

[spongiereggae]

As I understand it, hps and mh are each a type of hid light. And in general it seems that hps is what is preferred, at least from the responses on this thread.

 

[jammie]

As I understand it, hps and mh are each a type of hid light. And in general it seems that hps is what is preferred, at least from the responses on this thread.

if ya got a digital ballast or a conversion magnetic ballast, you can run mh for veg then switch over to hps for flowering. i find that i get alot more branching and foliage by using mh during veg, but i've heard some say it doesn't make a whole lot of difference.

 

[Justin_Credible]

if ya got a digital ballast or a conversion magnetic ballast, you can run mh for veg then switch over to hps for flowering. i find that i get alot more branching and foliage by using mh during veg, but i've heard some say it doesn't make a whole lot of difference.

IMOE, it made no difference. I think that the stretching and branching has to do with the height from the top of the plants that your light is hanging from. I use nothing but HPS, veg 600's and flower 1k's; well except for small veg under the floro.

 

[newbieharvester]

Read this: http://www.4hydroponics.com/lighting/lightingBulbs.asp

Very informative on lights, but not very tech.

 

[someotherguy]

But the definite idea is HPS over HID for flowering for the best yield?

high man, HID stands for High Intensity Discharge and
the 2, or 3 actually, that matter to us as growers are
HPS (High Pressure Sodium), MH (Metal Halide) and
CMH (Ceramic Metal Halide) all 3 of which are HID's.

CMH is a marriage of MH and HPS and many say you
get a better spectrum with these than with either MH
or HPS.

anyway, hope this helps explain things.

peace, SOG

 

[SkyBound]

Flourescents and any type of CFL bulb, within reasons can be used for Veg. You don't need to up the power until flowering. Some hps bulbs = big nugs, opposed to flowering with flourescents will lead you to popcorn nugs. So hps is the way the go for flowering.