New grower new garden

[beddabud]

Hi, new to indoor and thought I could post my grow and get some help ..Finally got some oriental express clones to take. got those going and some other beans I germed. All quality genetics. Been goin bout a month. been feeding pure blend pro veg at every water. they are all in wal-mart soil with added perlite, under 1 400hps and 1 400 halide. watering bout 1/2 gal every 2 days. haven't checked the ph yet (just starting to realize its importance) will do that 1st thing in the morning. I think they are growing slow (its hard to tell when you see them so much) and now im noticing some discolor and dry leaves. Posting some pics, thought with the vast knowledge here Im bound to get some advice..... boy just looked at the pics they make it look worse than it actually is. hafta move em from under the lights and post some more. Theres as much skill to photography as there is to the grow.They ain't THAT bad!!!


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[LavenderCowboy]

beddabud,

How much PBP have you been feeding at every watering???? Did you add Pulverized(powdered) dolomite lime to the potting mix????LC

 

[Guest]

beddabud-
Are there drain holes in the bottom of those pots? Looks like over water/over fert to me. Does that soil already have any fertilizer in it?
Try drilling four 1/2 inch holes in the bottom of those pots and only use water when they need it for the next few weeks.
Keep us posted.
Burn1

 

[beddabud]

Yea the buckets have holes but im sure they are not1/2" maybe i need some more drainage. Im feeding the reccomended amount from the back of the container.30ml /gl and yes i believe the soil does have some fert in it. does anyone have any idea how i delete some pics from this post i screwed upand posted the same pic like 10 times. new to indoor definitly new to posting.

 

[Guest]

Yeah just hit the edit post button and delete the pictures by editing the attachments.

LC and B1...just like old times.
PBPro every watering at recommended strength is WAY too strong especially on prefertilized soil.
In veg I use PBPro veg formula at 1/2 strength every second watering and sometimes every third, your fertilizing every 2 days with watering.....??
Ph is definitely an issue because PBPro buffers the solution's ph to low 5's at full strength wich is way to acidic for soil, that's why feeding less ferts more often and using dolomite lime is a big help.
You have a runt in there that looks like it's got K burn, it's all dwarfed with short twisted leaves, PBP is high in K which is fine if your not overferting.

My .02$ flush those gils with lots of plain bubbled tap water and wait...

Jinx

 

[beddabud]

Allright, all flushed out... I know the mistakes may seem stupid to you guys but im new at indoor and hey knowledge is acquiired right? Been doin ok outside but after all all im doin there is puttin some cow manure in the hole and waterin during the dry spells. My friend red145 turned me on to this site and I figured I could produce some of that better burning better tasting hii-test if i did it inside.. So show me the way oh gurus of ganja..I will update pics as soon as i notice some new growth.........from now on only 1/2 strength every 2-3 waterings.

 

[Guest]

There are no stupid mistakes unless you don't search for a solution, mistakes are the stepping stones to learning, you need not apologize for not knowing something here.

Start them off on a 1/3 strength PBPro veg when, and only when you see some growth happening and their color starting to pale ever so slightly.
You should read the ph of your fert solutions with a ph pen or litmus paper (aquarium and hydro stores have this).
Do this, bubble some water with an airstone and an air pump (aquarium shop...) this will rid the water of chlorine and oxygenate the mix, then add your nutes and let it bubble for a day or so, then measure the ph.
If it reads from 6.0-6.5 then feed, if not adjust the ph.
Plain water should also be ph corrected until you get the feel for the grow!

Keep posting those ?'s

Jinx

 

[LavenderCowboy]

Well said, jinxie.....Just always ask in the right forum when you're not sure what's up with something beddabud...That's the easy thing to do....LC

 

[Guest]

show some more pics in a couple of weeks.

 

[beddabud]

all flushed out and looking good. will post garden pics in a day or so. in the meantime looking nfor some input on whether these are males. my experience says yes but ive never seen males with hairs like these. they were supposed to be self'd seeds (all female) so that also makes me think they could be female or hermes? gotta get em out if they are male..also, the entire garden has been screened down as the oriental express were gettin outta control and i wouldnt have room for full flower height.anyone have any clue on what that might do to them, scrogging when they are a week into flower? thanks for the help your advice has done a world of good so far..

 

[Guest]

Those pics arent very good but I see white hairs and maybe balls looks hermie to me.

 

[Guest]

They look like hermies to me too. I see balls, as I am typing this my partner is uprooting hermies and males, it makes me sick to watch, so Im not.

 

[beddabud]

I thought they might be hermies too, but then i thought 2 out of 3? the odds seemed to be against it oh well....and then there were 4.. its been like a countdown around here, 8..7..6..5..4.....if this were nasa they might scrub the mission..

 

[Guest]

Yes they would have to scrubb the mission. LoL

 

[beddabud]

OK..heres whats left..started with 8 down to 4 . 3 oriental express and one soursaver.. here they are at 17 days in flower . Im sure my mistakes have slowed them down a bit, but im hopin for smoother sailing from here on in. Had to screen them down with something, the height would have been unmanageable and all that tying down seemed like it would take forever.. hermies, broken fans, nute burn, and yet I will OVERCOME!!!!! advice, as always, is welcomed....








The camera colors ain't the greatest...

 

[Tarbosh]

tying down..... does take forever....... I feel you amigo......stay up the yields are worth it!

 

[Guest]

OK..heres whats left..started with 8 down to 4 . 3 oriental express and one soursaver.. here they are at 17 days in flower . Im sure my mistakes have slowed them down a bit, but im hopin for smoother sailing from here on in. Had to screen them down with something, the height would have been unmanageable and all that tying down seemed like it would take forever.. hermies, broken fans, nute burn, and yet I will OVERCOME!!!!! advice, as always, is welcomed....








The camera colors ain't the greatest...

Hey there, Boy was i surprise to come across this thread. Didn't know cuts are making their way around. That's pretty cool and glad to see she's getting shared. By the way, this is the maker of Oriental Express or what alot of us call her "OE". I was reading through your thread and noticed you have a hemi problem. Is this with the OE or another strain? I noticed you might be growing another and would like to know which one. If the hemi is OE, this is a very first. Never had a problem with any Hemi's in the Male Pure Thai used in the cross or the TW used in the cross. Just wondering. Well, glad to see she is doing well. They scrog very well and will yield you very nicely. You've tired them down pretty good and if you let them go full term. I'm guessing around about 3-4 oz's per plant. Harvest should be right at 62-65 days also. Please ask any questions and let me know about the Hemi problem. I'm alittle loopy tonight and might have missed something. Just got new med's from doctor and they are messing with me pretty good. Nice again to see this cross is getting shared and these seeds are normal seeds and not Fem's. PM me anytime or post here and i will get back to you with any question. Good luck and take care
BG

 

[beddabud]

Golddustwoman, nice to meet you. There are 3 OE given to me by my buddy red. He begged me to save the strain for him as he would not be up and running for awhile. He said the plant was not too common and i hope to do him justice with some clones.. The hermie problem was with soursaver female seeds NOT OE. I dont know if the problem with the hermies was me or the genes but who cares i got one female and i was going to start running a different Indica next time anyway...Its good to know that you're out there watchin, so you can give me some tips and advice particular to the OE. the mom that these came off of was some good smoke and Im hopin this will be the same.It took forever to get some clones to live, actual flowering date is about 21 days.The bud seems disappointing to me for 21 days but like i said I had some probs in the beggining, maybe you can tell me (though the pics suck) where I stand and how im doin once in a while. hope to do your strain justice and once again very nice to meet you.

 

[Guest]

Hey Beddabud, sorry to hear your having alittle trouble with your plants. It sounds like the OE was stressed some. They should be taking off on your by now and bud sites should be pumping up by now. If it was me and i was growing them. I'd do this run and then do another after this one. Sound like the cloning process stress them some. Ms. Grat3ful keeper plant that she and Mr. use in the Casey Jones line is a 62-65 12/12 plant. You should be around that with yours, uness you get the more Thai pheno. I'll be here with you for the full ride. If you don't mind, could you give me a run down of your setup? Nutz, lights, Fan's, Temp, and feeding PPM or dose. Just trying to get a idea of what the plants are growing in. These plants don't eat muck, but i would watch them eating up the Mag. Also, could you telling me about your cloning method. Would like to see what you might have done that was giving them some problems. The method i like to use and I get roots in about 5-7 days. I either, cut and dip in Clonex and then place them into Rapid Rooter plugs and into a tray with dome or i do the same. Cut and dip into Clonex and place into a DIY Ezone machine and get roots in about 5-7. Both method's are under a 4 foot fluro shop light with normal cool tubes. Just trying to get a idea of your cloing. As for you getting good smoke like Red. Well, they are clones and they should be the same. Now, taste and burning is going to be up to you. Make sure to flush, dry, and cure proper and your golden. Here are a few pictures and i hope you don't mind. These are from of coarse Red's cured bud of OE and Ms,Grat3ful monster of a keeper. Ask away any question you might have. More then happy to help you max these plants out for you.
Take care

 

[beddabud]

GDW, I spent 20 mins typing a reply and then lost it due to computer error so forgive me if i miss something this time.My setup: for clone i Use miracle grow rooting hormone in 16 oz cups filled with potting soil(no Nutes) under a humidity dome.These go under 2 four foot fluoro's. I've used everything from olivias gel to rootone this timeit just happened to be miracle gro. I wasn't saying that they were hard too clone, only that it took a long time,(almost 3 weeks). For veg iuse 1 400 MH. Iwas using full strength(back of bottle directions)pure blen pro at every watering,(see beggining of thread), once I burned the shit out of them I flushed and went to 1/3 strength every other watering and then worked up to 1/2 strength every other watering I think thats like 30ml/gal but I dont have the bottle here right now. I dont have a ppm meter, I wish I did. using Ph 6.5 balanced for evrything(6.5 after nutes). for bloom I use 1 400 hps and 1 400MH I also put a small amount of blood meal and bone meal in the transplant soil as the expanse and trouble of getting organics like pbp are killin me. I ferted them the first time with some miracle grow bloom at 1/2 strength. I know most people hate that but i thought id try it out as i had nothing else at the time. Im really trying tolay off the nutes as the veg burn scared me. My soil is wal-mart sams choice with some added perlite. They are in 5 gal bckets, and temp runs mid 80's. I wasn't really complaining about trouble with the OE, I was more complaing about the Soursaver. It seems to me the buds always look small when youre watchin them and I am only 1/3 of the way through flower. I've followed the other OE grow thread and I believe Im pretty close in the range. The OE nug that you posted came from my closet not Reds. He vegged it outside but time was getting short and we both wanted clones so I cloned it and budded out the mother (your pic). I dried it, cured it, and yes even smoked it. but dont worry red got his share and will now get the OE back to keep in his stable, (that is if and when he gets back from down south) I will be going with an indica next run if only for the yield, a lot of friends count on me, but thats not to say the OE ain't a great plant, and ill stiill be able to get it from red. Im sure ive left somethings out, typed mistakes and rambled but it is 2 am..Once again thanks for your help and ill post some more pics(hopefully some clearer ones) in the next week that might givfe you a better Idea of where Im at.