neurtral as ground??

[DIGITALHIPPY]

household wiring- white-ground, black-hot, bare-neutral.

...QUOTE]

WOOO!!!
for your safty dont smoke/drink and do some electrical work...

BARE=GROUND
WHITE=NEUTRAL
BLACK=HOT
RED=HOT
your going to hurt yourself!

i got it now dog thes big boys helped me..

 

[Guest]

Sorry! No Kewpie Doll or Brass Ring-------Yet.

Google: "60A sub panel wiring" as well as '"electrical-online.com" for instructive reference photos as well as assembly and installation procedures.

TyStik

 

[DIGITALHIPPY]

Sorry! No Kewpie Doll or Brass Ring-------Yet.

Google: "60A sub panel wiring" as well as '"electrical-online.com" for instructive reference photos and code requirements.

TyStik

me?

did somthing look like it needs fixing?

thought i got it.

OH BTW i found my main isnt bonded with the neutral, so im going to add a grounding bar. then ill have 4 bus's and it should be safer right?

 

[Guest]

Yeah You, JK. Sometimes a picture along with descriptive text serves us better.

Use the parts/components that are pointed out in the on line tutorials in the 2 sites that I noted in my last reply.

TyStik

 

[Betty's Boy]

Hippy your gonna have a problem on your hand's if you don't put the propper connector's in that box. You should'nt have wire's going into the box like that, especially your power run. Go to H.D.and get plastic bushing's in the electrical department, the size of the holes in the box. So you don't have to disconnect anything, split them on one side, use a hack saw, get them around the wire and into the hole. you'll have to do the same with the lock ring...! just don't let those wire's rest on the metal like that, and you'll be fine...Oh, and put more of the ground wire's into that bar even if you have to lower it, you have lot's of room in that box...

For your Safety..!

 

[yamaha_1fan]

you could but you defeate the purpose of having the neutral wire.

what the neutral wire is there for is to provide an easy and quick path for electricity to take in the event of a short.

electricity takes the easyest path to ground to complete a circuit.

the nuetral wire is there so the electricity will flow through the nuetral is there was a short, instead of YOUR body. if the neutral is hooked to the "ground" you basically disable the "safe guard" of the neutral path to ground.

you would be better off just not hooking it up at all or just get a sheet metal screw and screw the wird to the housing of the bos or some other body of metal near by.

it will work fine if you hook it to the ground you will just have the netral wire always being "hot" so to speak.

IMO/IME id just not even hook it up and cut it short so it is not in the way, before i would hook it to "ground". but even better id mount the neutral the way it is supposed to be= sttached to the breaker box housing with a sheet metal screw.

my father is a master electrician and if been side by side with him on every "side job" he has ever done since i was about 4 years old. when i was that young he tought me what all the tools were called and fittings and connectors and used me kinda like a "flunkie" but as i got older i activly worked with hot wires and such. not at 4 yo but at like 14 years old i was able to install swithches and plug outlets and run conduit for new boxes to handle 240 volts. ive done a lot of 240 hook ups

off topic sorry. but i just wanted you to have a little background on my electrical qualifications, so you can not worry about getting wrong/bad/misunderstood advice frome somebody. i myself am not a "master electrician" nor have i had any "formal" schooling, other than working side my side and being taught everything a master electrician knows. (thanx dad for the teaching, it made setting up my and others electrical aspects of grow rooms very easy. probably could install a 240 line blindfolded.lol)

but yeah that "neutral is there to save you in the event that whatever device shorts and you happen to be touching it or turning sadi device on or off.

if its the whole box that need the neutrall hooked up yeah it should be done the rite way. is that neutral grounding the whole bbreaker box. or is it just like the neutral for a lite socket or something?

wasnt able to see your pic sorry

if it is for the "whole" box your attach the nuetral with the screw to the boxes housing and the other endshould be outside somewhere or attached to a pipe, but attached to something that will ground any electicity to something other than YOU. be safe and happy wiring.

how u been hippy i have had my speed queen buds curing in the jar for like 10 days now and took some and smoked it and it was very good good ggood smoke. easy as a breeze to grow and the hash from it is awesome (i did the QWiso method for the hash making) i dedicated 2 oz of fresh buds (popcorny ones) alone with all the trimm to make it i harvested 11.5 .oz frome three plants and made ten grams of hash also.

the speed queens are nice yeilders very good considering they only got the ffof soil with a light dose of super tea (mother earths of course) and enzymes.

they got ud blood the first 2 weeks though but nothing else chemical but that.

i like to change my names every couple months and start a new account, im a little OCD and it make my mind at ease even though it makes no sense really to dlete my account and 2 days later activat another one.lol

hash is a hell of a drug. never smoke or even seen it in person untill i made it my self. hope you dont hurt yourself with the electricity be safe and bless your plants bro. peace

Evil_Indica

Why didnt any of our gurus pick on this rubbish in the 1st post?

You need to stop giving bad info.

At least when I give out electrical advise it comes with a warning that I may not be right even if I am confident the info is right. And if I dont know I STFU and let someone else answer

 

[hoosierdaddy]

Besides some poor bastard burning himself up from some butane contraption or some such, these electrical threads are dealing with the most dangerous aspect of growing.

Not only are we putting ourselves at risk by trying boneheaded DIY recommendations, we are often endangering the rest of our family. That just isn't one damn bit fair to anyone who isn't involved with the procedure...namely our family and others who live in our buildings.

IMO, there really should be an electrical moderator to separate the wheat from the chaff on these electrical threads. This could help keep some ignorant asswipe like myself, who is not a licensed electrician, from giving out bad info and being directly responsible for some sort of a disaster.

This thing is about growing and enjoying our hobby, and not to put others in peril.
And I know for a fact that there are some stupid kids (and adults) that will try just about anything they read without a second thought about the repercussions.

Just my 2 pfennigs.....

 

[PharmaCan]

AcidnI_live - Let me join the chorus of Sparkies (and non-Sparkies too) with the message that your electrical "advice" is really misinformation and wrong enough to be dangerous. Writing stuff like that serves no useful purpose to the reader and makes you look like an ass. Probably you should just keep your thoughts to yourself when it comes to electricity.

Digital Hippy - There's a copper bonding strap right in the middle of your neutral bar. Why do you think your neutral isn't bonded? Isn't that strap attached to the box?

You really should re-read my original post about that sub-panel, particularly the part about putting proper fittings in the holes where the wires pass through the box.

PC

 

[DIGITALHIPPY]

im glad ive got enough common sence to put things together without killing myself....

pharma- you mean that fat copper wire? its simply screwed in. i was refering to the long screw that goes through the bus and into the metal panel...the copper wire looks like its just connected to 4-5 circuits...ill just move the bare Al & Cu wires over to a new ground bus.

why is everyone so stuck on the grommets for the box? its not like this shits on a boat and its going to be rubbing for hours on end.....ill put-em in but jeez its not going to rub through in 2 days.

 

[cocktail frank]

digitals neutral bar in that subpanel should be totally isolated from the metal on the enclosure.
if there is a green bonding screw on the neutral bar, it should not be used/ removed.
and the romex connectors should be done, its in good practice.
most folks strip the casing off the romex once it enters the panel enclosure.
being your romex runs into the box a good foot or so still insulated, the wire is still insulated w/ its jacket thru the point of entrance.
you should be ok w/ it like that. but i wouldnt recommend it.

 

[acidnI_livE]

wait because i accidentially said white was the hot and black was the ground i got it backwards but still that is the only mis info i gave.

when it comes down to it what is the neutral for then. and why when wiring simple switches and plugs in the house, you can not hook it up to the green screww on the plug or switch, and everything still works fine.

now see i didnt realize he was putting in a sub panle. or breaker box. (dont ask me how i didn't know) but yeah when using wires that you tap into the service coming in to your house. shit needs to be done properly. i could do it i done it before.

i just have a hard time transitioning what iim thinking into words and correct electrical jargon.

 

[Guest]

More study is needed--------a whole bunch more. JUSTIFY your personal theory on the Neutral, its purpose, and when it can be coded for other application by pointing out to this forum the source of your information. Also view the wiring of the common household light switch and the wiring of a 3 way switch.

Enough BS already. When I screw up I admit it, like a man, correct the problem and move on. Try that approach if you want respect. With only 18 posts, most of them argumentative or blatantly incorrect your future here in the forums is definitely not in the affirmative.

Albert Einstein basically stated "repeating a mistake with the hope of a different outcome is INSANITY", is that what is going on with you?

TyStik

 

[DIGITALHIPPY]

More study is needed--------a whole bunch more. JUSTIFY your personal theory on the Neutral, its purpose, and when it can be coded for other application by pointing out to this forum the source of your information. Also view the wiring of the common household light switch and the wiring of a 3 way switch.

Enough BS already. When I screw up I admit it, like a man, correct the problem and move on. Try that approach if you want respect. With only 18 posts, most of them argumentative or blatantly incorrect your future here in the forums is definitely not in the affirmative.

Albert Einstein basically stated "repeating a mistake with the hope of a different outcome is INSANITY", is that what is going on with you?

TyStik

hes got a new nic.
probably typing high. we talked under his other nic think hes justtrying to help. although the info is a bit off, atleast i didnt plug my neutral into the bare wire....

wait because i accidentially said white was the hot and black was the ground i got it backwards but still that is the only mis info i gave.

when it comes down to it what is the neutral for then. and why when wiring simple switches and plugs in the house, you can not hook it up to the green screww on the plug or switch, and everything still works fine.

now see i didnt realize he was putting in a sub panle. or breaker box. (dont ask me how i didn't know) but yeah when using wires that you tap into the service coming in to your house. shit needs to be done properly. i could do it i done it before.

i just have a hard time transitioning what iim thinking into words and correct electrical jargon.

live and learn baby.
ive been doing reaserch on sub-panels, electrical, wire, guage, breakers, etc for 2-3 months... its not easy and i didnt want to die plauging shit in.

digitals neutral bar in that subpanel should be totally isolated from the metal on the enclosure.
if there is a green bonding screw on the neutral bar, it should not be used/ removed.
and the romex connectors should be done, its in good practice.
most folks strip the casing off the romex once it enters the panel enclosure.
being your romex runs into the box a good foot or so still insulated, the wire is still insulated w/ its jacket thru the point of entrance.
you should be ok w/ it like that. but i wouldnt recommend it.

it is totaly seperated, by a plastic piece. infact it looks like its almost an inch thick between the main and the neutral bus. ill have to get a better pic(s).
i really appreciate your help, ill get some grommets for the box i want it to look up-to-code and be safe as possible.
i want to follow good practice so ill add the required parts...was thinking about stapleing my romex to the board...
what about my fat incoming cable how far appart should i put fasteners to keep it in place, staples, ties etc. also what the NEC approved staple? maybe that sounds dumb, but ive seen them in other panels.

 

[yamaha_1fan]

everything will work without that neutral even hooked up.

Something tells me if the neutral is not connected, that circuit is DEAD. Frank, Ty???? Correct me if I am wrong??


Acid, like said, you are not dealing with plumbing where a mistake can drip some water. Giving bad info on electrical is dangerous. You could burn a house down or kill someone.

i just have a hard time transitioning what iim thinking into words and correct electrical jargon.

well then dont

 

[PharmaCan]

Something tells me if the neutral is not connected, that circuit is DEAD. Frank, Ty???? Correct me if I am wrong??

If it is a standard 120v circuit and you disconnect the neutral then, yeah, you have no circuit.

... but acid is calling neutrals grounds and grounds neutrals and it's really quite silly - everything he's written - and quite impossible to follow 'cuz it's all such malarkey.

PC

 

[Guest]

Somebody needs to remove acid's posts if he won't.

 

[Microwido]

Good information in this post.

My neutral and ground wires for my house goto the same rail. I mean the neutral and ground wires are physically connected via the Metal Rail in the circuit breaker. Hence, the ground wire and neutral wire carry the same charge.

So your saying my house is not up to code?

 

[DIGITALHIPPY]

Good information in this post.

My neutral and ground wires for my house goto the same rail. I mean the neutral and ground wires are physically connected via the Metal Rail in the circuit breaker. Hence, the ground wire and neutral wire carry the same charge.

So your saying my house is not up to code?

not nec2008 code, no.
dosent mean it wont work...
sounds like your main and my main were wired the same.

 

[Guest]

microwidow, go back through the replies to this posting, Cocktail Frank has clearly and concisely explained this issue.

Also, if you are still in in DOUBT , go to: "electrical-online.com", and research for the correct answer, same same.

TyStik

 

[acidnI_livE]

just help the cat wire his fucking sub panel. man! at least my off advice saved him some trounble. everything after that he figured out on his own by reading the structions and researching. so i wuould goso far to say that my post was the most helpfull to him out of all.

cause it stopped him from stickin the wire in wrong. period.

did not realize it was a sub panel in the first place. i was thinkin along the lines of installing a plug or switch.120v

and no one can argue that when replacing a standard plug or switch, if the bare is left un hooked the switch or plug will work dorrectly and thats not bs cus my computer is hooked to suck a plug. that is installed in that manner.

all is needed is a hot and a not hot and they will power somthing on. the bare doesnt carry any current or it would be insulated. like the rest of the wires in the romax cable.

admin can dlete these posts i have no problem with that.

just like that poor fellow who does the 4 days dark after 2 weeks of flowering thing and then back to flower after he purposly interupts his flowering cycle 2 weeks in with total darkess for 4 days and then resumes flowering. just cause soem people disagreed with him and even so did I disagree.

they closed his thread down.and now hes back with mind blowing results from his techiques.