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[Blue Dot]

2 drops of Dr. Bronners pure castile soap is what you want to be adding to neem to emulsify it.

Dish "soaps" are not soaps at all but rather detergents.

 

[hoosierdaddy]

Azadirachtin is the chemical that makes neem oil effective. It is within the neem bean.
Pro horticultural folks can purchase neem oils with differing concentration of azadirachtin.

If you purchase any horticultural neem oil, it will have what it takes to do the job. I don't know of any companies pushing vegetable, or some other type of oil as neem.
Although I know that neem oil is listed as a percentage of the total, I don't know of any readily available neem oil that presents it's azadirachtin content percentage.

There are other oils on the market used for anti-fungal and insecticides. Volck oil is sold to treat for mites and such, and is nothing more but a light petroleum oil.

 

[Verite]

I went to a commercial greenhouse on Mother's day, and got spider mites from not changing clothes! My bloom is et up with em.

I got a few borg in veg and trying to get them under contol and give them some resistance.

Cleaning out bloom, and there are a few plants that are not done in there yet, I gotta leave. (NL/Haze)

Does pyrethrin and Neem work better together? I got some 10% pyrethrin and also some 5% solutions.

What is this acthoaiskfja22349 stuff ya'll said Green Light didn't have in it?

Once you try a product with spinosad in it you will realize how much time youve wasted with everything else.

 

[LolaGal]

I just haven't had a chance to order any of the $300 gallon stuff, but I bet it works great.

I was trying to get by with a trip to Lowe's and use what I could find there.

DDT would have been the best choice....

I love DDT. That stuff killed everything and kept it from even thinking about coming back after 1 spray.

Got any spinosad stuff to spare anybody?

 

[PaulaFloraFauna]

soma swears by neem oil, during VEg he foliar feeds/';;; says it is
organic and leaves no taste on bud, i see you disagree>?? hmm



You will never taste neem oil on my buds.
And I will regretfully decline a taste of anyone's neemed meds.
Or any weed that's "foilar fed" for that matter. Patooey!
Foilar feeding is an emergency tactic only!
I feed from da roots, den I no smoke da roots.
Just one more "ol' stoner's tale" that needs to be put to rest.

Uh, IMHO, that is.
http://www.puyallup.wsu.edu/~linda%20chalker-scott/Horticultural%20Myths_files/Myths/Foliar%20feeding.pdf

Neem sucks!
There, I've said it. And I stand by it.
(My Borg is gone).
Let the flaming begin!

Aloha Lola gal
Jus' my twenny fi' cent.

Wee li'l 'zard[/quote]

 

[diamondmine]

Azadirachtin is the chemical that makes neem oil effective. It is within the neem bean.
Pro horticultural folks can purchase neem oils with differing concentration of azadirachtin.

If you purchase any horticultural neem oil, it will have what it takes to do the job. I don't know of any companies pushing vegetable, or some other type of oil as neem.
Although I know that neem oil is listed as a percentage of the total, I don't know of any readily available neem oil that presents it's azadirachtin content percentage.

There are other oils on the market used for anti-fungal and insecticides. Volck oil is sold to treat for mites and such, and is nothing more but a light petroleum oil.

I'm confused, azadirachtin is what makes neem oil effective, so don't you think greenlight neem is not effective other than the fact that it's oil. I think that using greenlight neem is no different than using vegetable oil.

 

[Blue Dot]

I went to a commercial greenhouse on Mother's day, and got spider mites from not changing clothes! My bloom is et up with em.

I got a few borg in veg and trying to get them under contol and give them some resistance.

Cleaning out bloom, and there are a few plants that are not done in there yet, I gotta leave. (NL/Haze)

Does pyrethrin and Neem work better together? I got some 10% pyrethrin and also some 5% solutions.

What is this acthoaiskfja22349 stuff ya'll said Green Light didn't have in it?

Once you try a product with spinosad in it you will realize how much time youve wasted with everything else.

Yet spider mites are NOT listed on the spinosad label.

Don't you think Dow agro would have tested it on spider mites and if found effective they would have listed it on the label so they could sell way more product?

 

[hoosierdaddy]

I think you do too much thinking, blue dot.

I'm confused, azadirachtin is what makes neem oil effective, so don't you think greenlight neem is not effective other than the fact that it's oil. I think that using greenlight neem is no different than using vegetable oil.

The chemical is within neem oil. It is part of the neem bean. And no, I don't think using GreenLight neem is like using vegetable oil. Greenlight states that it is made from the neem tree and is real neem. What more can they say to convince you?

 

[Verite]

I just haven't had a chance to order any of the $300 gallon stuff, but I bet it works great.

I was trying to get by with a trip to Lowe's and use what I could find there.

DDT would have been the best choice....

I love DDT. That stuff killed everything and kept it from even thinking about coming back after 1 spray.

Got any spinosad stuff to spare anybody?

?? You can order the product from all over the US. Are you in a void?

 

[LolaGal]

yes, in a void without $300 for spinosad....

 

[msurfer7]

Dyna-Gro 100% cold pressed Nee oil is the bomb IMO

 

[diamondmine]

I think you do too much thinking, blue dot.

The chemical is within neem oil. It is part of the neem bean. And no, I don't think using GreenLight neem is like using vegetable oil. Greenlight states that it is made from the neem tree and is real neem. What more can they say to convince you?

Link- http://www.nysaes.cornell.edu/pp/resourceguide/mfs/08neem.php
"Neem oil products

Trilogy® (also packaged as Triact, Green Light Neem Concentrate, and Green Light Rose Defense) is neem oil that has had the azadirachtin and at least some other components separated from it. It is called “clarified hydrophobic extract of neem oil”. 100% cold pressed neem oil is also being sold as a “plant wash,” but has no pesticide label."


Do a search on "clarified hydrophobic neem oil" and you will find that it states that virtually all the azadirachtin has been removed. So, no azadirachtin, no insect regulating capabilities, therefore it's just like vegetable oil.



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[diamondmine]

Dyna-Gro 100% cold pressed Nee oil is the bomb IMO

"Cold pressed neem oil" still has the azadirachtin in it, unlike greenlight neem oil that is "clarified hydrophobic neem oil".

 

[hoosierdaddy]

Neem oil is NOT like vegetable oil, I don't care what you may think, or what parts of articles you pick and choose to post up. Try reading the whole article and post up your findings then.

It is not really known completely how neem works as it does, but it works even with the void of azadirachtin.

BlueDot was reffering to Montery brand neem oil. It does indeed state that it works for mites, but again..one must actually read the literature provided with the product. Montery doesn't even list the mixing instruction on the label...you must read the accompanying literature.

Lets deal with facts, and not speculations formed from lacking research.

 

[Blue Dot]

BlueDot was reffering to Montery brand neem oil.

No, I wasn't. If you could read as well as you tell others to you would have realized I was talking about spinosad.

Hell, I even bolded the "spider mites" and "spinosad" in my original post to clarify what I was saying.

Originally Posted by LolaGal
I went to a commercial greenhouse on Mother's day, and got spider mites from not changing clothes! My bloom is et up with em.

I got a few borg in veg and trying to get them under contol and give them some resistance.

Cleaning out bloom, and there are a few plants that are not done in there yet, I gotta leave. (NL/Haze)

Does pyrethrin and Neem work better together? I got some 10% pyrethrin and also some 5% solutions.

What is this acthoaiskfja22349 stuff ya'll said Green Light didn't have in it?

Originally Posted by Verite
Once you try a product with spinosad in it you will realize how much time youve wasted with everything else.

 

[Fu-Ion]

I'm also experimenting with neem oil, and while searching info on how to use it, i read somewhere that dish soap is not good for plants, but normal, simple bar soap would be more forgiving.

..and yea, you only need few drops of soap, just to brake the mixture down.


Peace.

 

[hoosierdaddy]

Yeah, I misprinted....I meant spinosad...and my statement remains the same and valid. You need to read the accompanying literature.

 

[LolaGal]

my bottle of greenlight neem claims to kill off spider mites on the label.... hmmm.

interesting posts ya'll! Thanks! Wish ya'll had been there when I was fixin to use it the first time!

My plants are recovered from the neem/soap torture I gave them, but they didn't grow for 2 weeks it has taken for them to recover....

thanks again. interesting discussion!

 

[Four2Zero]

LolaGal hows it?

My experience is that neem and pyrethrin do not kill all the mites. I battled them for months with those solutions...

Spinosad works great for thrips... it does not say it works on mites...

So, the solution for me was one dose of floramite.. ebay, 20 bucks, troubles over...

peace

 

[hoosierdaddy]

Montery Garden Insect Spray is the most common available brand of spinosad, and it does indeed say that it is effective for mites. If you have some, look at page 11 of the literature provided. There is even a paragraph stating specifically when and how to use spinosad against mites.

Neem is much better considered a preventative measure against most all bugs and early stage fungus'. If you use a regimine of neem during veg, you will be hard pressed to get any mites, thrips, or anything.