Need some soil clone help!

[Fast_Pine]

Hi..

I recently put some cuttings in peatpots. I went to mist them today, and came to see that some mold was building up in the soil, and about a third if my cuttings were dying!!..

They were drooping over, turning yellow...even starting to grow a little mold on the stems. I started to pull em up, and discovered almost all the portion of stem that was under the soil was a soggy, slimy, mess. The stems looked like boiled asparagus..Very weak and floppy..Fell appart when i touched it..

There were only a coupple that were still stiff on the portion that was covered in soil...

My Ph is good, and I recently rooted clones in the same room with no problem..Same thing just happened to a round of cuttings taken in my aero cloner..

Im worried that the humidity got waay to high under the humidity domes during the past 2 days..Causing the mold and stem degridation.

Will they be able to come out of this?...and...

Why are the stems sooooo slimy/ flimsy?

Will a co2 enriched environment(sealed room 1800ppm) affect cloning?

I would hate to have hauled all this dern soil up the mountain side and have no clones too plant!

 

[Brian1975]

Too much moisture by the sounds of it. I do mine in soil. Small pots with little perlite and my soil. I set the pot into a container of water so that it get saturated from the bottom up. Make my hole and push the clone powder covered stem into the soil. A light misting and in with my 20 watt full spectrum it goes. Shouldn't need to water again until you see the signs of rooting on the leaf tips. Occasional mistings is all with the 20 watt because it isn't too intense on them. I am 9 for 9 when they are cuttings I take off of my plants. 2 for 4 when dealing with cutting from someone.

 

[Guest]

What was the temp of your cloning area?

Did you air these cuts off once or twice a day?

Have you been adding additional water besides mist?

What are you using for light?

 

[Fast_Pine]

What was the temp of your cloning area?

Did you air these cuts off once or twice a day?

Have you been adding additional water besides mist?

What are you using for light?

75-80degrees..

No no airing of the cuts...I didnt to that due to the fact that they are in a heavily co2 enriched environment..

No additional water..Just one misting..

floros ... 40w tubes..cool white



On some of the cuts, it seems like the portion of stem thats right near the surface if the soil is rotting and getting soggy...Its fuckin weird..

Im getting really nervous...My whole 2007 season is at risk here..

Any help is appreciated

thanks.

fp

 

[GDB]

Have you made sure to clean the domes with a mild bleach and soap solution? I'd definitely recommend a good scrub down between batches. Airing them out or exchanging the air in the humidity domes once a day will help. Always remember not to over-mist, there is such a thing especially if you use peat pots. With a humidity dome and water in the peat pots you should only have to mist them once or twice every couple days at most.


For a quick fix: Make up a strong H2O2 solution and spray this near the base and around the surface of the soil. Don't be afraid to take some of these and completely re-clone them (ie make a new cut). this can help lessen the number of casualties.

 

[Brian1975]

Co2??? Never heard of that being a big advantage during cloning. A swamp environment isn't going to cut it. Too wet, for too long, around the base of the plant. Moisture given from below can help when taking the cutting. Water saturates about halfway up so the top layer is just the regular moistness of soil mix. Helps to avoid the dreaded fungus gnat if that top layer isn't staying wet for a long period of time. Just my opinion. It's rotting like a log in the woods. Wouldn't you want some oxygen in there? I guess I just don't understand the whole humidity dome thing.

 

[Fast_Pine]

Have you made sure to clean the domes with a mild bleach and soap solution? I'd definitely recommend a good scrub down between batches. Airing them out or exchanging the air in the humidity domes once a day will help. Always remember not to over-mist, there is such a thing especially if you use peat pots. With a humidity dome and water in the peat pots you should only have to mist them once or twice every couple days at most.


For a quick fix: Make up a strong H2O2 solution and spray this near the base and around the surface of the soil. Don't be afraid to take some of these and completely re-clone them (ie make a new cut). this can help lessen the number of casualties.

The domes were new....

I like the h202 idea...I hope I still have some...Should I add some hydroguard too?...Are you sure adding more water will help...I would feel more comfortable misting the leaves..Will that have the same effect?...Its just that the soil is sooo wet..

 

[Fast_Pine]

Co2??? Never heard of that being a big advantage during cloning. A swamp environment isn't going to cut it. Too wet, for too long, around the base of the plant. Moisture given from below can help when taking the cutting. Water saturates about halfway up so the top layer is just the regular moistness of soil mix. Helps to avoid the dreaded fungus gnat if that top layer isn't staying wet for a long period of time. Just my opinion. It's rotting like a log in the woods. Wouldn't you want some oxygen in there? I guess I just don't understand the whole humidity dome thing.

Well, im not running the co2 to help the cuttings...Its for the other plants that I have flowering and the mothers...

I have rooted cuts in soil, using plastic dixie cups with and without domes..I guess if the humidity in the room is high enough you dont need a dome..

I removed the domes. and took the peat strips out of the treys so they can dry out a little..

I agree that it was too much moisture...Maby not enough oxygen too, I had a healthy ammnt of perlite in the mix though..

 

[Brian1975]

Posted by JJ in his sticky on cloning:For the first 5 days I mist the plants lightly 2 times per day and keep the inside of the dome sprayed. Also remove the cover a couple times a day to let in fresh air.

After 5 days I stop misting the plants, and I prop open the corner of the lid to allow air inside. If the plants begin to droop, spray them lightly again as they are not ready. All plants are different, and some may need to be kept moist for up to 2 weeks. All strains are different.

The biggest keys in successful cloning are the amount of moisture in the plug, temperature and lighting. Always check the plugs and add a couple drops of water if they begin to feel dry, but do not overwater as you will rot the stem.

 

[Fast_Pine]

but do not overwater as you will rot the stem.

Damnit, damn it, daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn it.....I fuckin over watered...I knew it....

Well, can they come back from having a rotted stem?..

Whats the best way to dry out the soil without fucking up the cuttings?

 

[Brian1975]

How many nodes on the cutting? How many above the soil? GDB might be right on the money as far as redoing them, if you have the nodes. I would take it out and put it in some soil that is moistened from the bottom so the top isn't "wet". Spray a little H2o2 on the stem too. Re-powder it with clone powder and be on your way. Stake it up with something so that it doesn't slouch. Make sure there is a minimal amount of leaves( just a top).

 

[Fast_Pine]

3-4 inch long cuttings..2-3 nodes..2-3 leaves per cut....

Aye..JJ was on point about getting the medium too wett and rotting the stems...
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Thanks alot for sharing(doing the homework) that with me..

Im shitting my panties.. I am already waaaay behind schedule...I should already be transplanting into the guerilla plot. Now, I may be left with nothing to plant, or resort to using mixed baggseed that ive saved. ..Ive already broken my back off on preps...I feel that deep sinking feeling in the pit of my stomach...Like im sitting in the princials offfice or somethin..

 

[Brian1975]

Sorry, I was editing my post instead of doing another, when you replied. GDB might be right on the money as far as redoing them, if you have the nodes. I would take it out and put it in some soil that is moistened from the bottom so the top isn't "wet". Spray a little H2o2 on the stem too. Re-powder it with clone powder and be on your way. Stake it up with something so that it doesn't slouch. Make sure there is a minimal amount of leaves( just a top). Just need one happy, little node.

 

[MTF-Sandman]

I wouldn't waste the time on them personally...if they're slimy, throw them out - they will NOT recover to become a healthy plant in the near future.

Getcha a new load of cuttings and start over while there's still time...and sterilize the shit out of your clone setup in the mean time.

 

[Fast_Pine]

I wouldn't waste the time on them personally...if they're slimy, throw them out - they will NOT recover to become a healthy plant in the near future.

Getcha a new load of cuttings and start over while there's still time...and sterilize the shit out of your clone setup in the mean time.

Aaaaaayyye...I cut my mothers down to almost nothing...Like I said, only 1/3 of the total is totaly turned to mush...So there is alotta preventative matenance that needs to be done..Thats what I need help with..

Thats why I took the domes off and took the peat strips outta the treys..I gotta dry em out ya know..Get some of that moisture outta there..

I checked, and some of the ones that look nice and green, are still stiff under the soil....I threw out all of the ones that had totaly turned to mush under the soil.

I just need to turn them around,,keep the ones that arent ruined from turning bad..ya know....'


Do you thing that taking off the dome's was a good idea, ...


FP

 

[Guest]

Posted by JJ in his sticky on cloning:For the first 5 days I mist the plants lightly 2 times per day and keep the inside of the dome sprayed. Also remove the cover a couple times a day to let in fresh air.

This^^^^ is very important. I even fan them gently with the lid for a few seconds to exchange the air under the canopy.

Co2 can promote mold/rot if you are not careful.

 

[Brian1975]

I figured these were it, as far as clones available to him. He said the whole season was at risk over these clones. If not, I would have to agree with MTF on starting over with new ones.

 

[Fast_Pine]

Co2 can promote mold/rot if you are not careful.

Shiiiiiiiit....Im relyin on the high levels of co2 to strenghten the cell structure of my clones and allow me to put them outside without hardening to the intense sun that I have to deal with at 8000 feet...So far it's worked.

So, any idea why co2 causes mold....I had alotta trouble with my humidity rising recently during a co2 enriched grow in this room...Also had previous mold probs in this room.

 

[Fast_Pine]

I figured these were it, as far as clones available to him. He said the whole season was at risk over these clones. If not, I would have to agree with MTF on starting over with new ones.

I left a fiew branches on the top of the mothers so I could put em outside and have some larger ladies.....Mainly took the cuts fron the bottom branches...
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I may be able to take a fiew replacement cuts,,,,

 

[Brian1975]

These clones here
were even taken in flowering but have come around nicely(with some retarded initial growth). One I have in flowering now(was in green pot in the other pic). Snapped this one in half too, as my training method this time.
Repaired in a week and then set to flower. Here is a FIM'd plant(Mango, like my other pics).
I think snapping produces the most viable cuttings, the fastest but FIMing has its advantages.