Need confirmation plz - Drooping plant

[Guest 279031]

You are good with the coco dude, why are you so bent on having to add something to it.

That recipe was pointed out to me when I first joined the site. I was just following the recipe (or so I thought).

I went and read up a little after reading your post and I think I would LOVE to grow in straight coco. I just really wasn't reading coco threads when I first started researching, so it wasn't on my radar. My tap starts at almost 9.0 and .7 grams of Maxibloom brings it right to 5.5 so it seems like a good fit.

Going to do some more research before payday.

 

[marrdogg]

Yeah if you run with that you should be ok. My tap ph is 7.9 with a ppm believe it or not 500ppm! Still no issues and with ppm that high I still add cal/mag cause if I didn't deficiencies guaranteed! You have to check with your local water supply and get water chart so you will know exactly what your working with. PEACE!

 

[Weedninja]

I'm laughing like hell at this thread. The soil growers are telling you to get that damn coco out of your soil and the coco growers are telling you to get that soil out of your coco.

Tap water that's pH 9 changes all of the rules. You have plenty of calcium and the only extra mag you'll ever need you can get from a little epsom salts. You also really want to watch how much lime you add. You're using dolomite, right?

Your germ problems probably come from not enough air circulation, upping that and adding a small amount of something with beneficial fungi and bacteria-I use a little Bio Tone-should improve your germ rates a lot. Also, don't go batshit (bad pun intended) on the guano with seedlings. Some foliar kelp extract with the small amount of Bio Tone gets me into veg every time.

Pro Mix BX is a very good way to start your mix. There's a recipe on the link you gave earlier that uses it and sounds pretty good to me. They also make a potting soil that's good, but is very rich and needs to be treated more like a compost.

Your new pics are definitely showing signs of some pH problems, so I'd address that first if I were you. This post is turning into a novel, so I'll save my tips for your cab for later unless someone beats me to it.

 

[trem0lo]

Mine look like that when they get overwatered. Classic claw downward and leaf warp. When they're that young, the root system is super sensitive and mj likes dry medium to begin with. It's easy to do.

I'm not familiar with coco, but in soil when they look like that, you'll lose a week or more waiting for recovery, and will likely lose part of the plant. The leaves, when they get cartoonish and thick like that, never go back to healthy-looking leaves unfortunately.

 

[kmk420kali]

I'm laughing like hell at this thread. The soil growers are telling you to get that damn coco out of your soil and the coco growers are telling you to get that soil out of your coco.

if your in coco I'm not sure about adding all the other stuff, perlite is alright but
the peat,castings and lime defeats the purpose of growing in coco.
is this your own mix or is it a recipe from elsewhere?

I don't grow in coco so maybe someone that does will stop by.

so you may want to gently remove the stuff you have in there...and replace with either coco, or soil...but I don't think mixing the 2 is the right road to follow--
I am a soil grower, and have not grown with coco before...but I have read much about it...so before you do what I said, get confirmation from a true coco grower...I am just giving my opinion--
Peace and good luck--

I;m not really sure what you are saying weedninja...I think we have all just agreed that mixing soil and coco isn't going to work--

LOL, there's nothing wrong with peat; it's in practically every soil-less mix out there.

Soil-less is different than coco...soil-less, you still pH like soil...coco you pH like hydro--
Not trying to get pissy or anything...but unless I am missing something here, I just don't understand where you are coming from--

 

[marrdogg]

Guy never said he was growing in coco was trying his hand at coco if read from 1st post. Now to say the guy has plenty calcium is kinda far fetched as no matter what the ppm of your tap is you will never know how much calcium is in it if you don't get a water analysis report. So giving that man that info not knowing what his water actually consists of is setting him up for failure. It would have been better for you to tell him to go r/o that way he knows exactly what's in his water and amend it accordingly. Not meaning to sound like a dick but working with what he already has as stated in my earlier post straight coco, maxibloom, cal/mag DONE!.

 

[Guest 279031]

I know there are differing opinions on how to do things. I also know that I have to figure out which system works best for me. So I am glad that everyone is trying to help me and I thank each one of you.

When I started this venture, I just tried to pick a recipe and stick with it. I chose the very first one in the thread. Unfortunately, it said "peat or coir" and I thought that coir meant coco.

And yes I used dolomite lime, but I didn't read the "not the pelleted kind". So I screwed that up too.

It seems that I should choose to grow in either straight coco or pro-mix rather than what I ended up with now. Luckily, my garden shop carries both Pro-Mix and bricks of Burpee coco. I will get a brick and a bag, and hopefully some more seeds will germ so I can try them both out. The coco seems like it would be easy but it also seems like you could easily fuck it up.

I understand that before I can use the coco I need to wash it out really well, then pH it to 5.5. I also need to order a ppm meter. And for the pro-mix I just want to mix in a decent amount of perlite.

Today my Pure Kush seed had popped and was sporting a tap root of nearly 1/2 inch so I put it in a Jiffy Pellet in the dome that comes with it. It's on the seedling mat in the cloning chamber under the flouros. If it establishes I will put it in coco. Or I was also seriously considering a hempy cup. It looks so easy!

And lastly, for Weedninja, when I posted a thread about my cab in the Micro-Grow forum, I didn't get much feedback. So I would appreciate yours now, even if you would rather pm me about it.

 

[marrdogg]

If you put them in the coco like you said make sure to rinse really well. Start your seedlings out with about 3.5gr gal maxibloom amended with 5ml gal cal/mag ph'ed to 5.8 and you should be good. After two weeks would 7gr gal maxibloom, 7ml gal cal/mag, ph 5.8-6.1 you should be good. Don't know man you are making this complicated for yourself. The simple recipe I gave you works go to the K.I.S.S. thread and read. Coco is nothing to be afraid of actually easier than soil and I grew in soil for many many years. Just trying to give you the simplest route to success that I know. You can go following a hundred different soil "recipes" and still not have it quite right. But what ever you decide do wish you luck my man stay diligent and it will come naturally. PEACE!

 

[Weedninja]

I;m not really sure what you are saying weedninja...I think we have all just agreed that mixing soil and coco isn't going to work--



Soil-less is different than coco...soil-less, you still pH like soil...coco you pH like hydro--
Not trying to get pissy or anything...but unless I am missing something here, I just don't understand where you are coming from--

No need to get pissy; we're on the same page here. The only thing about my comment about laughing that should be taken beyond face value is that any new grower reading this should understand that the coco tips given in this thread apply to coco only and vice versa with soil.

Guy never said he was growing in coco was trying his hand at coco if read from 1st post. Now to say the guy has plenty calcium is kinda far fetched as no matter what the ppm of your tap is you will never know how much calcium is in it if you don't get a water analysis report. So giving that man that info not knowing what his water actually consists of is setting him up for failure. It would have been better for you to tell him to go r/o that way he knows exactly what's in his water and amend it accordingly. Not meaning to sound like a dick but working with what he already has as stated in my earlier post straight coco, maxibloom, cal/mag DONE!.

I don't have anything against coco and your advice for it seems good, but you're treating this thread like a request for help in coco growing, and that appears to be the reason why we're looking at this in completely different ways. Coco doesn't chelate nutes like peat, which is probably why you're having to add cal-mag where non-coco grower wouldn't.

A high tap water pH reading is a very good indicator of the water supply being hard. Since hard water is almost always from dissolved calcium and to a lesser degree magnesium in the water, an analysis report is not really necessary for me to say that his water has plenty of calcium. Your confidence in my knowledge as a grower is inspiring , and I wish you luck on the "not meaning to be a dick" thing.

Today my Pure Kush seed had popped and was sporting a tap root of nearly 1/2 inch so I put it in a Jiffy Pellet in the dome that comes with it. It's on the seedling mat in the cloning chamber under the flouros. If it establishes I will put it in coco. Or I was also seriously considering a hempy cup. It looks so easy!

I don't use peat pucks, and you may need it for them, but using a dome for anything other than cloning will usually get you a fungus farm. Probably not a good idea if you're losing so many seedlings...

And lastly, for Weedninja, when I posted a thread about my cab in the Micro-Grow forum, I didn't get much feedback. So I would appreciate yours now, even if you would rather pm me about it.

A pm may be for the best at this point.

 

[Guest 279031]

Thanks to both of you. My peat puck sprouted today. The cotyledons are above ground and looking good. Tomorrow I will rinse a batch of coco and get it ready, and tonight I am ordering a TDS meter.

In the meantime, since I am not quite ready for the coco, I am going to repot the original CH9 Cluster into Pro-Mix (which incidentally turns out to be nothing more than peat, perlite and lime!) and hope that getting the plant nearly entirely out of coco will allow the pH problem to work itself out.

Then I will hopefully get to see which method suits me better, and hope that at least one of these plants gets me to the cloning stage.

 

[stihgnobevoli]

overwatering/cold roots. let the pots dry out till they are very light before you water again. you should see signs of improvements a couple of days before you need to water again.

 

[Guest 279031]

Thanks. I did see some improvement on the drooping, however, the lower leaves are turning yellow and even the tips of the new growth are yellow so I now have learned that since my mix is at least half coco if not more, my pH is likely too high even at 6.5.

Because my soil is all mixed up peat and coco, it's been suggested that I chose one or the other and go with it. So this plant is being repotted into Pro-mix so that the 6.5 I have been feeding will not be too high.

Wish me luck

 

[kmk420kali]

Luck!! Chris--

 

[stihgnobevoli]

6.5ph shouldn't matter much even in coco especially if it only half coco. any latest pics?

plants might be hungry if indeed you let the pots dry like everyone said, if not then you're probably still overwatering and making it worse.

 

[Guest 279031]

Well I just transplanted last night into Pro-Mix and a bigger pot. Fingers crossed; I haven't been downstairs yet to see how she's doing. Will report back in a couple hours.

 

[Guest 279031]

Ok so it took a couple of days for an update; sorry. It was probably better that way anyhow; I was nervous to see if the transplant took. Here is today's pic:

Figured out the thumbnail thing again. I watered with plain 7.0 water with only a drop of Superthrive per gallon on Friday right after transplanting, and the plant has not wilted any further or shown any more signs of distress, other than the bottom leaves continuing to yellow (this was happening before transplant). In a few days when the peat is dry enough I will water with 1/3 strength maxibloom at 6.5 and I hope that will stop what I am guessing is nitrogen deficiency.


And here is the new Pure Kush. I started it in a jiffy peat puck (for those who are just skimming the thread) and intended to try it in coco, however life got in the way and I didn't get to wash and prepare a batch, and honestly I am nervous about wasting one of the couple plants I successfully germinated, so into Pro-Mix it went. Once I start taking cuttings, I will definitely grow some in coco.



And the whole cab. In the middle is a White Rhino that's as old as the CH9 Cluster; but never grows. It's grown 2 sets of true leaves in a month. The cotyledons went yellow and dried up a few days ago so hit it with a few teaspoons of 1/3 maxibloom but really it's just holding space until I get something going.



Finally, a question about germination. On Tuesday of last week I soaked 3 Big Bangs and the Pure Kush for 24 hours until they all sank, put them on a damp paper towel, into a ziplock bag, and into the cloning chamber covered with a hand towel to keep them dark. 2 days later the PK had a 1/2 inch root and is on it's way, and to date none of the big bangs have even begun to open at all. WTF. They are not moldy or soft, but still look like they have never been wet. Under microscope there is not even a hint of a slit anywhere.

I have 2 Big Bangs left and am considering any alternate germing suggestions. Meanwhile as long as the first 3 aren't moldy, I will keep on keeping on.

 

[Peacemonger]

Some people think I being snobby when I try to give advise. I quick read some of the posts. "It's a WEED"...KISS...i know people have a problem with miracle grow potting mix but it's all I've used for my mothers for thirty five years with perilite. Young plant no ferts, don't overwater, maybe a little liquid Karma. Spray epsom salts after about third or forth set of leaves once a week. Ph tap water down to around 6.5. (for soil).Don't like superthrive (seen hermie from this stuff) take it or leave it as you will. It's very easy to overdo and worry your not doing enough if you see a little yellowing or a brown spot. Or drooping. Too high ph leaves turn down too low turn up. Roots have problem with poor soil drainage or need to have bigger pot.Needs a little air movement, light not to close. A lot of people do not have enough light , or too much. I use regular plant grow tubes 4 ft floresent tubes for plants when they are seedlings. And a 400 watt halide when they get bigger for mothering. Sometimes I have to post pictures to get my point across. I'm thinking about it. More fancy stuff and expensive additives does not make for better grow. I have posted pictures before, but the message seems to never get through. All the very best.

 

[stihgnobevoli]

for that white widow the roots are probably too wet. just neglect it. like seriously don't water it or anything. it will either recover or die. either way no biggie right?

 

[Guest 279031]

Peacemonger, Thx and I agree with the basic idea of your post. I started out trying to throw every piece of advice from every type of grow at this and because of it missed some basic principles that would have gotten me off to a much better start.

Another stupid realization came to me tonight. After waiting a week for seeds to pop with no success, I said fuck it and took the 3 seeds I'd been waiting on and tossed them back into a cup of water. It's been 2 days since then and what do you know, one of them germinated.
Then I went back and read paper towel germing techniques again (real slow this time) and realized that I had just been slightly spraying a bare little mist on them (I read that they should not be soaked) instead of soaking the paper towel and wringing it out so they would actually get some water! What a dumbass. Any seed that didn't germ immediately had no chance because there wasn't enough water.

Hopefully my germ rates will improve now.