name this deficiency...:S

[Guest]

hi guys, im running a rainforest system, and the clones rooted a few days ago....

they got a starting dosage of nutes of:0'25ml perliter as feed chart says, and rootjuice

i got no ec meter yet, but i added 35 liters to container, plus 20 more until now...

and added 10.5ml of micro grow and bloom (0.25ml per liter like ghe feedchart)
and 40ml of rootjuice

the ph goes from 5 to 6.5 ( i avoid the 6.5, but when im out of home longer it hapens...like this time when i got home and saw this)


Now what the hell is this thing on one of ma clones???





i got 2 more other things, but i think its just the normal yellowing of clones...




they still taking up food from leafs to make roots?they makking lotsa roots per day! but is this all normal or should i worry??

thanks

 

[Guest]

btw can anyone tell me of a way to lower the buffer of ma reservoir so it wont raise th ph so much daily?(i got flora micro hardwater...i heard it balances the ph on the right mark...can i use it without making excess salts or burn?)

and also, how long until ma clones go from making roots, to vegetative phase?
in ma feed chart it says i gotta raise the nutes dosage when they enter the vegetative stage...

thanks

 

[DirtDoctor]

Bro, you've got bugs.

I can't tell from the pics if it's Thrips or Mites.

I'd start with an application of Conserve SC (aka Spinosad) at 6ml/gallon - this will have the added benefit of being strong enough to kill spider mites too.

2 days later, hit them with Floramite SC (2.5 ml/gallon).

3 days later, use another product, such as Azatrol or Pyrethrin based SaferSoap.


Once your pests are dealt with, you can watch the growth and see if there are any nutrient issues, or if what you're seeing is just due to the stress of being eaten.


good luck!

 

[Guest]

really???

i cant see any bugs :S...im gonna spray them right now with bug killer 3000!!! since i dont smoke the fan leafs and no buds are in sight im gonna kill them right now

 

[Guest]

ok they just got sprayed...i went chemichal on theyr asses lol

but i also have some leafs twisted like in stichs guide ,where it says its ph

and what about the vegetative phase?2 weeks have passed, acording to ghe now i should change the compostition of the reservoir...or i change it after 2 weeks ma clones have rooted^??:S

thanks

 

[Guest]

hm sorry but ithink you were wrong....the clones condition got worse :S

now the white thing is spreading and the purple/brown too....

the Ph is 5.5
the temps are 24celsius
so there is no reason atm for her to be getting worse :S
can this be lack of food???:S

here is a more detailed pic:

any guesses??

 

[MynameStitch]

Those clones are getting so fried it's not even funny, you should never listen to the directions on the back of the bottle period, unless cannabis specific nutes.

You have different size plants in the same system, that is a no no too.
How close was your lighting to your plants?
looks like the plant also got bleached. Some of the leaves are also curling upwards making a U, you have some heat stress so move your lighting up. What wattage are you doing?


Lack of food is far from being the problem, it's an abundance of it being there.
You should always go by the size of your plants when determining what and when to feed.

You need to flush your system out to remove the nutrients. I have used earthjuice products and you don't have to let them sit out for 24 hours, but if you use them in a hydro/aero system, you should due to them being very acidic, after 24 hours the pH rises and the full effect of EJ takes over.

and added 10.5ml of micro grow and bloom (0.25ml per liter like ghe feedchart)
and 40ml of rootjuice

I am surprised that no one in this thread did not pick up on this right away....
the dosages is outragous for the size of the plants,

your using the dosages of bigger plants, around 2+ feet size plants.

Do you have a ppm meter, if not I reccomend you get one.

You should be using around 2.5 ml of micro, 4 ml of grow and 2.5 ml of bloom to start them out with the size they are and since they are burned you want an even lower dosage while they recover.

 

[Guest]

i even searched the net, and i read that root juice in hydro for seeds should be aplied the minimum dosage onthe bottle plus 40%)

now i got them burned again :S

tomorrow ill flush the reservoir....cant do it tonight its too late :S

you said 2.5ml(grow micro and bloom) of each for 35 liters of water?

i have these 2 strains together cause they are identical in temperament...

-i moved the light to the top of the grow, and will let her sit there until i see them streching

thanks a lot stich you always saving my ass...

 

[HerbGlaze]

Nute burn?
Or you might have thripes?
Id flush resiviour, put on 1ML of that stuff per 35 liters or water.
And spray with that stuff =D

 

[DirtDoctor]

added 35 liters to container, plus 20 more until now...

and added 10.5ml of micro grow and bloom (0.25ml per liter like ghe feedchart)
and 40ml of rootjuice

Um, it looks like he added 10.5ml of MGB to 35 liters, then diluted it to 55 liters. He also said he fed at a strength of 0.25 ml/liter - that doesn't sound to extreme to me.

I think you're mis-reading it stich, and think he's feeding at 10.5 mls/liter.

Anyways, the insect damage is obvious in both the first & second pics he posted. Also in the newest pic he posted.

 

[MynameStitch]

you said 2.5ml(grow micro and bloom) of each for 35 liters of water?


No, 2.5ml per 4 liters of water, so if you have 35 liters than that would be........ 22.5 ml per 35 liters of water.
Unless he was using an exact dosage or a dropper do you realize how small 0.25 ml is?
I also forgot to tell you, the smaller one is the one that is fried...... the bigger ones are showing nitrogen problems........ so you have a dilemma here and the reason for this is, because the size difference in the plants.........
You are going to have a hard time........

The root juice may be the cause of the burn, not sure..... but if the dosage I give you does not help, the smaller plant has to be removed or your other plants will go hungry.

 

[Guest]

i use a dosager....i can measure 0.25ml:S and i made the calculations, 0.25*35=10ml of each per 35 liters....

so how much i add now?2.5 per 4 liters?

im now flushing the reservoir, my poor babies dont lookd so good :s dont know why...everything was perfect until now...

 

[Guest]

hi guys, i just bought ma ec meter...and changed the reservoir...ph is 6...and the meter says 656...is this good now?

i can add more food, or add more water to make it right...someone?
thanks a lot

 

[Guest]

btw, the ec meter gives readings in microsiemens....so in EC 656 is 0.656 right?

and the bottle says ec 0.9 at this stage, but since they were in shock, should i wait ro raise the dosage?

thanks

 

[DirtDoctor]

Yeah an EC of .65 is equal to 460 ppms(0.7)

You could feed them a slightly stronger mix, but maybe just take them up to an EC of .8 ([email protected]) and watch how they respond.

The ph of 6.0 isn't bad, but 5.8 is ideal.

What kind of spray did you use for the bugs? Be sure not to spray anything when the lights are on, or you can burn them further.

 

[Guest]

i use bayer...bayersolcombi. :S

dont know what it is...but its really toxic, and it smells like bug sprays...the plants dont mind though...they got better since i started to use it...but then again i started to use it when i changed the reservoir...

btw i just use it cause they dont got flowers, and worked well on ma last crop i had some bugs, and it killed them all...



btw the water here is 0.28 EC...dont know if this info is needed for anything but just in case...


-> they still burning although they burning less than before, i wait for it to stop or im doing something wrong?

->btw 2 of my clones have white roots, but all the leafs are burned or with a funny color, they can still recover?

->in this new solution the ph goes up a lot through out the day, anything i can do?

here is what they look like now, the roots one is one with nice roots, some have smaller root systems...some have bigger ones too lol


thx

 

[Guest]

BTW since im on a photo spree, here is whats is wrong in detail with my leafs...




what are those "beije" patches?i looked for it inthe guide and cant seem to find anything similar...

thx

 

[MynameStitch]

since they were being burned, when plants are burned to help them recover quicker you want to lower the nutrient solution a bit lower than what it should be at......

If 400 PPM is still strong, which for the smaller plant I know it will be, 350PPM is the lowest you can have it at with the size they are.......

You don't want to starve the other plants.

microsiemens....so in EC 656 is 0.656 right?
I do not know anything about MS, can your meter give you ppm or an EC?

The damaged leaves won't recover on them so you want to look for newer growth not to have any problems. You want the roots to be kept white, any discoloration that is not from nutrient stain you want to fix that right away.

The pH will rise when plants remove nutrients from the water, but the pH will rise more quickly if you are using tap water that is hard.

If you are using tap water you need to test the water for how hard it is.....
how many PPMs/EC the tap water comes out at.....

if yours only goes to EC I need to know the brand you are using, because each one usies a different system.

.05, .06 and such.

 

[DirtDoctor]

his water is .28 EC = 196ppms (0.7)

 

[MynameStitch]

Where did you get the .28EC from?