My Shwag Seed Experiment

[ProfGerbik]

thanks everyone, i love the feedback and positive vibes.

i love this forum just when i thought no one would post. i come back later and bam tons of them.

ill keep it updated and post pictures of it fully cured and done. thanks for stopping by!

 

[ProfGerbik]

Looks good. I always used to grow random bagseeds 12 to 13 years ago, and probably 95% of them turned out female. And most of the seeds that i found were single seeds that popped out of a bud. I thought that maybe why they were nearly always female was because they were feminised seeds,.... the bud being pollinated by itself, by a rogue flower?

exactly what a thought and why i wanted to experiment with the ratio of success for females from these sadly unwanted but clearly worth every moment of time seeds, it appears to be a great source for anyone who cant afford feminized seeds.

 

[alaskind]

looks like a yieldy sativa dom.....how many nights did it get? did you take a cut, just in case it turns out to be special?

 

[ProfGerbik]

looks like a yieldy sativa dom.....how many nights did it get? did you take a cut, just in case it turns out to be special?

couldnt say exactly but i know it was probably 64 around there. i dont really judge when to harvest by days but by how many of the hairs start turning reddish to show its mature enough and trichome coloring.

not to bash cloning or anything, i just have never really had the need or felt the need to do it. seems weird to me, like the more you clone the plant shouldnt it start to get worse over time genetic wise, im not a botanist so i cant really say, just not something i really dived into, ive always had plenty of seeds from the same plant so i was always ok, if i ever get a strain that i cant find anymore seeds of it, ill definitely clone it.

yea in veg it looked very indica but i knew once she got older she was a cross, mainly sativa. weird how much it changed.

see this was it in veg.

the leaves looked at the time nothing like a sativa.

 

[alaskind]

...good on ya for taking a cut...... some great "elites" have come from bagseed... I figure if you take a chance on any seed, you deserve to have a mom waitng in veg in case it turns out to be a keeper..... most of us growers can look back and say "man I wish I'd have taken a cut...
...this is one that I let get away , cause I didnt get a cutting.....

 

[vryselctiv]

she really is a gem to find in bag seed. enjoy the smoke. i wouldn't mind finding something like that

 

[Bebopp]

Schwag comes from mistreatment, not bad genetics I think.


Clones will keep the same plant you know forever. Environment can change but the plant will not.

 

[chronilogicbill]

sweet rock on pics look good

 

[tony clifton]

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[hurdy gurdy man]

Prof, make sure you post a pic of the dried/cured product. I love seeing a big pile of yummy bagseed bud.

Well done.

 

[hazydreams]

so wheres those dank photos of your root system that is by far superior to mine.... and
a dry weight would also be nice.

 

[Capital G]

nice job!!! i have some seeds of some outstanding no name dank i picked up visiting family. that shit was more potent than 90% i get from the club. you could tell she had potential but, the bud was stored poorly. very encouraging!

 

[ProfGerbik]

so wheres those dank photos of your root system that is by far superior to mine.... and
a dry weight would also be nice.

yea shit happens i cant do everything in life i want. well its pretty obvious my root system is better just from the looks, you notice how my plant doesnt fall over even in veg like all of yours simply because it had a bigger root mass and could anchor better with clay pebbles... because even when the fire happened my plant still looks healthier than yours did, if thats not enough to evaluate what your doing i dont know if showing you pictures will really change your mind either.

you can grow into a GH water farm with hydroton clay pebbles just like i did and see for yourself because of the fire outage where you can see my plant clearly suffered, in the later photos..

i wasnt trying to move it much more in flowering and because of the stress it started to become very week so moving it was out of the question i wanted a decent recovery and im lucky it did recover as well as it did, its much more important i have medication over the year rather than trying to prove someone who uses a shotty method of growing wrong.

bad timing cant help it, but its pure science you will achieve better root mass with with clay pebbles over large lava rocks like you were using, there was a reason your roots looks like string beans and not massive juicing webs you cant even get through, if you really want to argue that even seeing your own roots and how poorly they developed in those rocks be my quest. it wasnt a coincidence tons of people tried to help you telling you to change your medium not only did your large lava rocks prevent your roots from spreading out properly to develop larger than they were, your plants clearly had nothing to anchor onto because the rocks were large enough to break windows with, you might as well throw cinder bricks into your net pots.. you would get the same results.. i mean every plant you had growing in the dwc with those large lava rocks was falling over and was severely stressed out because of that, there were so many signs telling you those rocks just werent working yet you still choose to use them and disregard every person who said you really need to change that even people who know more about growing than i do, thats fine by me.

ill get those pictures eventually when i use the water farms again, growing in soil right now so its going to be a while but trust me ill post it directly on your IC when i can get around to it.

like i said if you grow in a water farm bucket with hydroton clay pebbles you could easily see for yourself, me showing you pictures really shouldnt make up your mind, if you knew what you were doing was right, i highly doubt you would feel the need to come back and tell me this anyway, i for one wouldnt if i knew it was working for sure i could careless what anyone said but in your case that wasnt it, wasnt working and everyone tried to help you but for some reason you think they are lying or science doesnt exist i have no clue.

ive never cared to weigh anything, i dont know if its a "how big my balls are" complex with some people but i have no need to weigh out my meds im not a dealer and im not a dispensary, i can simply look and know how far it will last. in the process of uploading what i got from it so more than welcome to assume how much it weighs..

 

[master shake]

Sorry if you already mentioned, but how long did those in your pics take to flower out?

EDIT, sorry looked back through and see the posts!

I myself have some shwag beans going as sort of an experiment/fun. Have some better genetics in my fridge but I'm in no situation to hold on to any mommas.

Glad those turned out nice for ya, very inspiring! Mine are looking very sativa as well, except one. One bean I sprouted came from some purplish shwag from probably 3 years ago. Very indica looking, actually the most indica seedling I've ever grown. Will get some pics up sometime.

Keep up the good work!

 

[ProfGerbik]

hows it going people, i know its been a while but i dont get on the forum that often.

i know some wanted to see some cured pictures, well here they are. got some of the best and biggest buds i had and snapped some of those.

also someone wanted to know a smoke report. well lets get down to it, overall im very impressed with the potency of this sativa, when packed in the jars it had a very fruity smell like a open pack of star burst. it didnt turn out as dense as i would have hoped once it dried but trich ratio is all i care about really and this plant had outstanding ratio and really robust frosty trichs. after a while, it lost the overall aroma, it became more noticeable when it was broken up instead. the high was very pleasing, it hit hard in bongs, joints and vaporizers very smooth refreshing taste, slight hint of mangos and it lasted long with a very uplifting rise while also giving that very relaxed and floating feeling, it was a creeper for sure but i was very happy with the experiment and will surely grow shwag seeds again, my mate just gave me some medical grade seeds so im growing those out at the moment.

ill be back with a new thread on that since im trying soil now, just had the urge to do something differently and widen my horizons. well hope you like the end results, ive been enjoying it for the past months.

 

[ProfGerbik]

Sorry if you already mentioned, but how long did those in your pics take to flower out?

EDIT, sorry looked back through and see the posts!

I myself have some shwag beans going as sort of an experiment/fun. Have some better genetics in my fridge but I'm in no situation to hold on to any mommas.

Glad those turned out nice for ya, very inspiring! Mine are looking very sativa as well, except one. One bean I sprouted came from some purplish shwag from probably 3 years ago. Very indica looking, actually the most indica seedling I've ever grown. Will get some pics up sometime.

Keep up the good work!

thanks feel free to keep me posted on how that goes for you as well as information where i can check.

 

[ProfGerbik]

bump

 

[GrowBudsGrow]

Nice looking plants, i had some mexican sativas that looked similar, i crossed with ISS and am growing some of those seeds out atm. I don't think a lot people realize just how great of a plant you can find if you grow enough bagseed.

 

[hazydreams]

yea shit happens i cant do everything in life i want. well its pretty obvious my root system is better just from the looks, you notice how my plant doesnt fall over even in veg like all of yours simply because it had a bigger root mass and could anchor better with clay pebbles... because even when the fire happened my plant still looks healthier than yours did, if thats not enough to evaluate what your doing i dont know if showing you pictures will really change your mind either.

you can grow into a GH water farm with hydroton clay pebbles just like i did and see for yourself because of the fire outage where you can see my plant clearly suffered, in the later photos..

i wasnt trying to move it much more in flowering and because of the stress it started to become very week so moving it was out of the question i wanted a decent recovery and im lucky it did recover as well as it did, its much more important i have medication over the year rather than trying to prove someone who uses a shotty method of growing wrong.

bad timing cant help it, but its pure science you will achieve better root mass with with clay pebbles over large lava rocks like you were using, there was a reason your roots looks like string beans and not massive juicing webs you cant even get through, if you really want to argue that even seeing your own roots and how poorly they developed in those rocks be my quest. it wasnt a coincidence tons of people tried to help you telling you to change your medium not only did your large lava rocks prevent your roots from spreading out properly to develop larger than they were, your plants clearly had nothing to anchor onto because the rocks were large enough to break windows with, you might as well throw cinder bricks into your net pots.. you would get the same results.. i mean every plant you had growing in the dwc with those large lava rocks was falling over and was severely stressed out because of that, there were so many signs telling you those rocks just werent working yet you still choose to use them and disregard every person who said you really need to change that even people who know more about growing than i do, thats fine by me.

ill get those pictures eventually when i use the water farms again, growing in soil right now so its going to be a while but trust me ill post it directly on your IC when i can get around to it.

like i said if you grow in a water farm bucket with hydroton clay pebbles you could easily see for yourself, me showing you pictures really shouldnt make up your mind, if you knew what you were doing was right, i highly doubt you would feel the need to come back and tell me this anyway, i for one wouldnt if i knew it was working for sure i could careless what anyone said but in your case that wasnt it, wasnt working and everyone tried to help you but for some reason you think they are lying or science doesnt exist i have no clue.

ive never cared to weigh anything, i dont know if its a "how big my balls are" complex with some people but i have no need to weigh out my meds im not a dealer and im not a dispensary, i can simply look and know how far it will last. in the process of uploading what i got from it so more than welcome to assume how much it weighs..

facts are this, if you havent grown long enough to test out other mediums in hydro you shouldnt be giving out advice that "hydroton is the best". your using a ready built hydro farm which tells me a couple things. either your not handy, or most likely your a noob who likes to pay money for shit you could build for a 1/4 of the cost. the fact that you dont know how to water a plant correctly further proves my point.

check the link in my sig. you are def confused as to who you are talking too, your not talking to stighbenvoli. You are not going to convince me that clay balls are in any way superior to lava rock. Its a rooting medium, its inert. it doesnt DO SHIT but provide something for the roots to grasp. i built my system myself, and have used everything from rock wool to hydroton in the decade plus ive been doing this. like i said check my sig. youll see what im saying.

 

[ProfGerbik]

facts are this, if you havent grown long enough to test out other mediums in hydro you shouldnt be giving out advice that "hydroton is the best". your using a ready built hydro farm which tells me a couple things. either your not handy, or most likely your a noob who likes to pay money for shit you could build for a 1/4 of the cost. the fact that you dont know how to water a plant correctly further proves my point.

check the link in my sig. you are def confused as to who you are talking too, your not talking to stighbenvoli. You are not going to convince me that clay balls are in any way superior to lava rock. Its a rooting medium, its inert. it doesnt DO SHIT but provide something for the roots to grasp. i built my system myself, and have used everything from rock wool to hydroton in the decade plus ive been doing this. like i said check my sig. youll see what im saying.

at this point you are just continually trying to argue with me about something that is a scientific matter, you know ive realized a occurring trend with people who really do not know what they talk about, they always feel the need some where to type in caps as if it makes you right, typing in caps is the only point you have.. sure ill take that as you know what you speak of.

i really dont care who im talking to because using large lava rocks to start any plants out is just not good that is the point of all this. assuming things about me is clearly a lack of intelligence on your part period, i use the water farm simply because its the best bucket you can buy its worth every penny, ive been to home depot, lowes and of course my local store had plenty of DIY kits.. but no matter where i looked the water farm bucket had the best design simply because its square and has a very deep top bucket with a flat bottom for the roots to spead in versus a crappy net pot and the roots going straight down directly into the water. so there you happy now for making yourself look like an asshole? its pretty obvious i go through a lot of trouble to get the most information i can out of things where as you just feel the need to hold some title of mister know it all. do you honestly think anyone would want to spend the extra cash for nothing, any and every person knows they can build a cheap mimic bucket, but its not the same there is a reason the water farms are sold with both DIY kits and the bucket, cause your pretty much paying for the buckets design.

yet another assumption to say im not handy, only if you saw my grow room with all the DIY crap in it along with fans and co2 kits. you have proven to me once again you clearly dont know the scientific part of things especially something as simple as a water farm bucket and why its designed differently than any bucket you can buy or build..

i never said hydroton is the best, not once. i said its better than using lava rocks, if you want to break down the lava rocks into smaller pieces like pebbles, i see no problem with that but as they were being used in the thread from which i posted was horrible, i mean you just contradicted everything youve said this entire time and agreed with me saying they do in fact provide a better anchor for roots and you know what that means? you just agreed with me completely because if you just agreed with that, you realize better anchored roots, provide a overall healthier plant, a overall healthier plant will provide a better and healthier root mass, listen to yourself before you speak.

the string bean roots is enough for me, stressed out plants hunched and falling over said plenty for you as well, so obviously you havent been growing long enough or even used other mediums like you claim or else you would clearly know they are better than using large lava rocks for seedlings to veg in, at this point youre just being a stubborn asshole about it.

like i said i could grow a plant in a net pot with 3 cinder bricks or i could grow a plant in a net pot with hydroton clay pebbles, hmmmm i wonder which one will have better roots to start off with.

personally if youre going to sit here and nit pick stupid shit about my posts and threads trying to demean my experience or say im an idiot grower while not having any other proof than your own point of view and typing in caps dont bother posting back seriously.

at least when i write something there is more of a point behind it, you sitting here trying to say im a dumb ass cause im asking for help about soil considering its my first time using it is stupid within itself, sorry ive grown in hydroponic setups all my life, what a moron i am for ever thinking i could talk about something ive used for several years..

is there something wrong with double checking every aspect of things to make sure you are correct and can prevent any further problems? didnt think so. i guess your just some bad ass who never needs help or ever asks a question in life.

you claim how much of a noob i am when if you read the thread every post in that thread i already knew the problem, i wanted to make sure before i started assuming i was right.

sorry if you dont do research and assume you know everything if you want to talk about people projecting themselves.. your making yourself look like a complete dick head right now.

not much else to say, id appreciate it you post things on my personal IC if you want to pointlessly argue about things you obviously just probably spent 15-30 mins wasting your time on.. simply because you agreed with me in the first place after coming on here trying to prove otherwise...