My seed whore adventures. Where bad idea's are born.

[420PyRoS]

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Cross my fingers for a good comeback story haha.

 

[Biosystem]

Yeah, it may be the lighting, but they look limey. How're your humidity and PPFD?

 

[420PyRoS]

Yeah, it may be the lighting, but they look limey. How're your humidity and PPFD?

Well, I'm going through 2 gallons of water a day in humidifier and only raised it from 44% to 55% now over 2 days.

Not sure PPFD.

They are definitely limey.

Twice now this shit with this medium.

Getting new medium once I get a day away from work/kids.

 

[Biosystem]

Hey, man! Check this out. I know it isn't the most accurate thing ever, but it has done me so much justice over the past few months, it's free and it's quick to get. Works on your phone screen.

55% RH is okay in my experience.

 

[420PyRoS]

I'll check it out when I'm off tomorrow.

What's the thinking, lights too intense maybe?

 

[Biosystem]

Just curious about the parameters. I've had plants look a little like that from light burn. Usually though if I have plants that look a little off like that, some phosphorus perks them up and gives them better color. I'm having some nute deficiency suspicions of my own right now, so don't think I'm sayin' I'm perfect haha.

 

[420PyRoS]

Just curious about the parameters. I've had plants look a little like that from light burn. Usually though if I have plants that look a little off like that, some phosphorus perks them up and gives them better color. I'm having some nute deficiency suspicions of my own right now, so don't think I'm sayin' I'm perfect haha.

OK I'll get that info shortly. I'm still suspecting the promix was made wrong as everything planted in that bag went to shit. Even my pepper plants.

 

[420PyRoS]

@Biosystem

I went down a rabbit hole a bit with light stress after you mentioned PPFD.

I'm going to try a few things and see if this is the contributer to my issues.

There's a test I can do right away to give me an indication and I may have my answer technically already but I want to make sure.

 

[420PyRoS]

Well, did the test, and my feelings on it are yes, light stress. 2 indicators for me, one was I watched yellow leaves that should be dying from lack of nitrogen pray to the light after feeding. This was also during lights off period. I thought that was strange. Secondly, a small test mentioned from a search revealed that usually nitrogen starved leaves can be broken off and removed quite easily whereas light stressed leaves are strong and will not remove easily.

The yellow leaves are fully alive by some standards on my plants and could not be removed.

So I started thinking, when was the last time I used this light for Veg. Answer was, never have. I have been treating this light in the same manner as those blurples without much thought.

I used to use blurple bitches which weren't more then 100watts. Then I bought this SF2000 for flower in summer years ago so I didn't have to use my HPS/MH.

Stuff starting to add up now. I haven't grown since before pandemic which was what? 2020?

The only other thing new in this setup is the promix. Some general feed mix I have never seen/used before. The quality sucks quite frankly compared to promix BX and whatnot. Beside those two things, I can only think of humidity and PH.

PH was dead on with input/exit and Humidity is up a bit higher now from 43%

Biosystem, it's true what they say, sometimes you just need another set of eyes to see the things you're not.

I think you led me onto the right path.

I'll get some PPFD readings today when I wake up later (Night shift)

 

[Biosystem]

Well, did the test, and my feelings on it are yes, light stress. 2 indicators for me, one was I watched yellow leaves that should be dying from lack of nitrogen pray to the light after feeding. This was also during lights off period. I thought that was strange. Secondly, a small test mentioned from a search revealed that usually nitrogen starved leaves can be broken off and removed quite easily whereas light stressed leaves are strong and will not remove easily.

The yellow leaves are fully alive by some standards on my plants and could not be removed.

So I started thinking, when was the last time I used this light for Veg. Answer was, never have. I have been treating this light in the same manner as those blurples without much thought.

I used to use blurple bitches which weren't more then 100watts. Then I bought this SF2000 for flower in summer years ago so I didn't have to use my HPS/MH.

Stuff starting to add up now. I haven't grown since before pandemic which was what? 2020?

The only other thing new in this setup is the promix. Some general feed mix I have never seen/used before. The quality sucks quite frankly compared to promix BX and whatnot. Beside those two things, I can only think of humidity and PH.

PH was dead on with input/exit and Humidity is up a bit higher now from 43%

Biosystem, it's true what they say, sometimes you just need another set of eyes to see the things you're not.

I think you led me onto the right path.

I'll get some PPFD readings today when I wake up later (Night shift)

This is why we're all on the forums, mang. We're just here to help each other do better and celebrate the wins.

You could say I led you to the right path, or it could also be said that I L.E. D. you to the right path. *Badump tiss*

 

[aCBD]

Those l.e.d.s ... Light stress of high intensity is everywhere, also in my tents
When i start the seedlings on 15-20% and the young plants or cuttings on 25-27% it's already on the limit for me.. i turned it up to 30% more than once, knowing it's too much just to lower it again
In veg we use more hours than in bloom, lower light intensity over more hours gives us the DLI we want.

 

[420PyRoS]

Those l.e.d.s ... Light stress of high intensity is everywhere, also in my tents
When i start the seedlings on 15-20% and the young plants or cuttings on 25-27% it's already on the limit for me.. i turned it up to 30% more than once, knowing it's too much just to lower it again
In veg we use more hours than in bloom, lower light intensity over more hours gives us the DLI we want.

I have bleached my buds before with LED but I have never had any first hand experience to light burn itself. I'll be more cautious about this in the future with LED's.

I think I'm getting on the right track. I'll get some PPFD readings and kinda get a baseline of where those lights need to be.

I gave my 100w blurple light to my buddy last summer argh. Maybe time to invest in some seedling lights haha

 

[Biosystem]

If you decide to use that free phone meter I posted, remember that it is very sensitive. Keep it at the same height as your highest leaf sites to gauge max PPFD.

 

[420PyRoS]

Quick update.

Lifes has been busy with work/kids. Sorry for lack of update. Ill get more detailed info on next post.

Summary.

I think we are heading into right direction with light burn being a culprit. I think something else also, like magnesium deficiency but I'm working with the lights first.

Anyways, they're finally growing again.

 

[420PyRoS]

Small update 2.0

Schromfrost #2, the biggest plant that didn't really stunt like the other two has shown it's sex.

So here's what's going to happen.

I'm going to take a clone, root it and start her over into some promix bx and this gives me a bit more time (couple weeks) on the grow room.

I just need to do one more set of taping/mudding, sand then mud/sanding again, get the door in place and a slap of paint and we should be good to go.

I have mylar sheets that can be draped to control light leaks through the door seams also.

The other 2 Schromfrosts ill sex and see if I want to take one more female clone or not. The #1 and #3 have pulled out of their stunting bs.


CONCLUSION.
Excessive light caused all my issues. I fed the plants a second time and they basically told me off. Claw, dark leaves etc. Ugh.

 

[420PyRoS]

Oh I almost forgot.

Mr Neil has decided to take on the Schromfrost hunt as well.

20 more plants will be popped shortly.
He will be doing full organic worm castings and compost teas.

 

[Biosystem]

I don't know about the Mr. Neil thing, but that sounds cool.

I have been there with the light. Don't worry, call it a lesson and move on. You'll not make the same mistake again most likely, and that's valuable.

 

[420PyRoS]

I don't know about the Mr. Neil thing, but that sounds cool.

I have been there with the light. Don't worry, call it a lesson and move on. You'll not make the same mistake again most likely, and that's valuable.

He's a buddy of mine that recently supplied me his backyard to grow the outdoor TK bx and Bodhi Snow monkeys for 2024 season.
He recently joined ICmag but idk if he'll post much.

I call him Mr. Neil like those guys call Neo from matrix Mr Anderson lol

I gotta thank you about suggesting the light burn. First it's happened to me I won't forget it like you said.

On a good note, all 3 are confirmed female.

I'll probably take 2 clones from #2 and #3 and start em off right this time. Neil wants the 3rd female to grow out so I'll probably pass her along. No sense culling what could be gold.

Got a few orders in. Some new ferts, calibration fluid, promix bx. Try and do a lil more official run/space soon with drip feed and smart pots ect.

 

[420PyRoS]

Im a bit behind, but grow closet needs one more mud/sand for finish, my wife is gearing up to paint it, and ill be buying the framed in door soon after.

Plants are on a low light auto pilot atm.
Ill be taking clones in next two days, finishing the mudding/sanding and can start planning how to build a sub structure to hang lights etc in grow closet with some 2x2 and 2x4 i have kickin around. Maybe pvc is an option also.

Heres one of the rough gals just waitting for me to do something.

Side note, my buddy has about 20 schromfrost popped already so ill get to see whats under the hood from his grow also.