My first time cloning and some look really droopy HELP!

[norcalkell]

Here they are today 6 days old.. The rapid rooter plugs dry up rapidly....

How much water/clone solution does each tray need?

They were hella dry this am... I gave them a good amount last night.

I think the EZ-clone would work better..

 

[Weedninja]

Why would ya wanna cut half the stored food supply off? And trust me, they make roots faster with the medium temps between 75-80 degrees! I don't care what yer method is. I've been threw them -all- over the years. I don't mean ta sound like a know it all, but I'm -very- sure of what I'm saying here! I take clones with 4-5 nodes an leaves as big as yer hand. No problem! The vigor is never lost. I spose I'm jus tryin ta save ya time from learning from yer mistakes. I don't know what else to say, the rest is up to you. Take care... BC

It's not being a know it all to disagree with anyone, B.C.. That's why this site is great; we all have different techniques.

The idea behind cutting the leaves is to cut the amount of moisture the plant loses through transpiration.

I like my temps lower because it cuts down on fungal and bacterial problems. I have found that higher temps make cuts root faster, so I can definitely see where you guys are coming from, but for me ,personally, I have better luck at 70 degrees.

 

[B.C.]

Because the cut doesn't need it. Leaves need to be supported by water brought up from the roots. At this point, we have no roots. Why burden the plant with material it can't use and stress it doesn't need?

If this is true, why do my clones show no signs of stress at all? No discoloration, no wilt, and most of the time the leaves never even droop! I'm taking 4-5 nodes with big leaves on each.... No, I don't believe that. Leaves on a plant create an osmonic pressure that draws water up in to it, the same way cut flowers do. That's how a plant works. By keeping this cycle going it allows a plant time to use it's own hormones to make roots. Since a clone doesn't have roots for bringing up food ( only water through the stem ), it depends on the stored food in the leaves for it's energy ta do this. That's the way I understand it anyway...... Kell, I would try an find some domes for those. If ya use a heat souce underneath ( to keep em between 75-80 degrees ) and ya have a dome, heat/air and moisture will always be rising and escaping out the sides alil. This air exchange will stop any mold or damp off disease fungus, but will slow them way down on drying out. The clones love it when they're first cut! Keepin the lid kinda tight at first with only a small crack around the sides, then after a few days crack it more, and more etc... This method works very well with seeds too, they all seem ta pop the same time. Anyhoo, I hope this helps. Take care... BC

 

[FreezerBoy]

If this is true, why do my clones show no signs of stress at all?

If it's not true then why does your method make my clones keel over and die? I've said it before and I'll say it again. Cloning is Voodoo, what works for some is death to others. Many swear by bubblers: They killed everything I put in it. Many swear by domes: They cost me as much as 60% of my cuts.

Who's right or wrong is a waste of time. Ours are simply two more ways to try. Getting Norcalkell into the 90%-100% success range is all that matters.

 

[justanotherbozo]

censorship sucks!

 

[Weedninja]

BC: I thought I should point out that when I told her to keep her temps at 70, I forgot that you had already posted about temps. I wasn't correcting you, I was just making sure that she didn't have 'em in an unheated garage or something.

Freezerboy: I'm not being sarcastic when I ask this, I'm genuinely curious: If that's not a bubbler you're running, then what is it?

 

[biotek]

Nah, just havin' a little fun with BC. I try not to post in the infirmary when I'm really baked, or I'd end up telling people to put macaroni & cheese in their reservoir.

hey weedninja,

I am haven trouble with my macroni and cheese what temperature do i need to set my reservoir at ?
thanks bio

 

[FreezerBoy]

Freezerboy: I'm not being sarcastic when I ask this, I'm genuinely curious: If that's not a bubbler you're running, then what is it?

Technically, it is a bubbler. I just use it "wrong." "Proper" use (plain water, no: food, gel, Rockwool, Hormex, pH adjustment) lead to a 500% failure rate. Five times I killed everything. But, I keep trying because I refuse to believe my IC family is lying to me. It's gotta be pilot error.

In the meantime, it's 1/3 the size of my old cloning tray with which I had a 100% success rate. I simply combined the old method with the new tub. Added bonus, the old tray's water surface was exposed and, once I dumped the dome, highly subject to evaporation. The bubbler is a sealed unit. I suppose the cubes transpire a bit but, not enough to matter.

 

[thc43]

sealed tubs with coco or pucks works for me, moist not wet coco when planting pre soaked with rhizotonic, mist with a foila spray seal the crib then water again as they root 10 days later. Temps never above 30c





norcalkell

looks like your cribs are not air tight not allowing enough moisture to build, keep the vents shut and tape the lids down. if it cold use a heat mat if hot vent more. Where are you taking temp readings from? i like one reading in the crib and another from below the lights in the centre of the veg room.

 

[B.C.]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Cloning is Voodoo

No offence, but I don't believe anything ta do with growing or propagating a plant would in any way be "Voodoo" for some. It's jus not logical. Like any other aspect of growing a plant, if the criteria is met for providing the correct conditions a plant will thrive and grow for anyone. People that own greenhouses bank on this concept. BC

 

[Weedninja]

hey weedninja,

I am haven trouble with my macroni and cheese what temperature do i need to set my reservoir at ?
thanks bio

Medium-High......D'uh

 

[Weedninja]

How'd you make out, Kell?

 

[Uncle Remus]

Temps have been pretty cool here the last few weeks...As seen by my pics I get fully rooted (6-7-8" roots) in 3 weeks or less...I'm now on day 29 since I took my cuts and they are now showing some roots FINALLY

I had to add a heating pad to heat up the water...Think that's what's been making them take so long to root...We'll see what happens in a few more days...I'll post some pics when I pick up some new batteries for it

Just think , almost a month in the bubbler with no nutes or anything and they finally decide to pop some roots...SHEESH

Goes to show you that you can keep cuts alive for quite a while in just water, provided its WELL aerated...This is the longest its EVER taken for me to get clones to root...Had me scared a bit, lemme tell you

 

[norcalkell]

Weednija,

Day 22 no sign of roots..

I lost 30 from the first cut.. re-cut and lost about 30 more and counting.. One morning the domes were hella steamy and the leaves were water logged and those died..

So, these are the ones left and some are not going to make it..




I'm learing FROM ALL my mistakes , at least I'm trying.. I wish I could use someones ez-clone to see if I would have more luck before spending the $300.

 

[Homegrow3r]

Mine tend to take a good while to show roots out the sides of the peat pucks. If you have some unhealthy looking ones or dead ones, pull them out and see what was developing, I'll bet those at 22 days will already be mostly rooted and are just waiting to break through the sides of the peat pots. Should start to show shortly if my rates are anything to go by, was taking 24-25 days.

Lift them all out and look all around the pucks, you should be seeing roots showing on some of them at this stage.

 

[Hydro-Soil]

No matter which way you clone, there's a step that anyone can benefit from that's not being mentioned here.


Drop the clones in a bucket of water for at least a half hour. I tend to leave them overnight.

Never get a wilt.
(Unless there are other issues with your setup, of course.)

 

[Hughesy]

Nobody telling me what to do

Nobody telling me what to do

Get pucks you grunts.

 

[00420]

I'm learing FROM ALL my mistakes , at least I'm trying.. I wish I could use someones ez-clone to see if I would have more luck before spending the $300.

i'd stick to the trays you just need a lil help is all.... i sent you a pm
how hot is the room your cloning in? what kinda lights are you using?
the cubes should not be drying out over nite..... my oasis cubes stay wet for 5-6 days with dome on & 2-3 days with it off...

ez cloners build up bacteria and get you mush stems i lost more clones in a ez cloner then any other way of cloning
i can fit 4 trays of 104 in the same space as the 120 site ez cloner

temp has everything to do with how long they take to root.... followed by strain... i have seen 3 to 30 day's most strains with right temps are 10-14

 

[FreezerBoy]

No offence, but I don't believe anything ta do with growing or propagating a plant would in any way be "Voodoo" for some. It's jus not logical. Like any other aspect of growing a plant, if the criteria is met for providing the correct conditions a plant will thrive and grow for anyone. People that own greenhouses bank on this concept. BC

No offense taken. It's still Voodoo though. There is no area of growing where identical methods lead to more entirely different results.

Domes are a prime example. Many say domes and 90% RH are required. I say domes are death incarnate and 15%RH is fine.

My bubbler has killed everything I put in it. Thousands use it successfully.

I say 75º water is key, others 85º, still others 65º.

Some say keep medium moist but not wet, I say constant saturation is required.

The key to your success is guaranteed to wipe out the next guys grow and your greatest danger is guaranteed to be the key to his success.

The punchline to all this is, there's only one correct way to clone and that's whatever way works for you, regardless of how it works for someone else.

 

[justanotherbozo]

censorship sucks!