I'm with 'trout' cloning is simple, but teasing out roots from the cambium layer just under the bark, apply moisture, heat, and time ...avoid many of these dumass witch doctor tricks above, see it for what it is, most roots appear in under 14 days 10 days is good, so you really have to ask ....Why add nute solution to cuttings that have no roots to feed itself .....lol
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My first attempt at cloning, learning the hard way...
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Interesting question....Ive never seen really answered.....
I would expect the plant has some limited ability to uptake nutrients with water.......
I dont want to claim I know...cause I dont.....
I normally dont add anyting until day 7 myself...
I agree at the start to have low light, I have seen amazing results after 7 days or so by putting them under my 1000w for a few hours a day, just gotta watch to keep em wet.
tropicanna
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Wow... thanks to everyone that has chipped in with their personal experiences.Here are the pics I took today, the ones that don't show yellowing are of the 2nd roux of cuttings, the yellowed out ones are the ones who turn 14 days tomorrow, and as you can see they've gone through hell. I am going to take in consideration all the feedback and perhaps for a next round of cuttings I can separate them into groups and run an experiment varying the conditions accordingly.Im starting to think that less than 7 days for rooting is a fallacy. About the temperature, this is the caribbean and today's high was 80 F with 64% humidity so it felt like 84 F but they are inside a closet where I think was probably around 80% but if you consider the heat generated by the CFL and the higher humidity inside the domes it is probably closer to 84 F. Anyways, one more thing, if you look closely at one of the pics you'll notice new growth that looks sort of lime green/ yellowish and seems to have some graying or browning in the middle, can somebody ID whats going on? Thanks
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If in doubt ...FLUSH new roots sucking up hot nute mix will burn for this reason I like to add a healthy 30% perlite to my soils to prevent this or you may flush really well, 3 times the pot volume with air temperate ph neutral water ..drain in dim light or over night to recover
tropicanna
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Burnt Rope I read your thread before I started taking cuttings, went to walmart, all the 99 cent stores I could find and couldn't get a hold of those icicle molds/trays.Sure is a hell of a space saver idea. I did add a low dose of guano/triple phosphate/KSO4 to the first round of cuttings but that was on day 10 after the yellowing began and just cause I had yanked the one with the slimy stem out and saw there was two root hairs about 1/2 to 3/4 inch long growing from within the split on the stem.Here's the rest of the pics.
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Herbal Wisdom
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Bubble cloner ftw
There is a new model...but it works ok for clones...at walmart the last time I was there...its a seasonal item......
Clone yellowing is actually a good thing..... most times.....
yellowing can mean that the cutting is using nitrogen to form roots....
or just going down hill......
But when I see yellowing.... I expect to see some roots...
The burnt leaves are a very bad sign... that sort of stuff may prevent rooting at all....
Whatever you fed em was too much..... dont do that....
Let me just say I think you may have found your problem.....
Temps for clones I found to be best... 80-83 degrees.... over 85 degrees and they dont like to root.....
Its a pretty fine line between the ideal temps and too hot.....
it could just be you have them too hot.......
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ya if you burn em they will stall. I swear ts hard to kill em though, even a burned one will throw a growing shoot if you leave it be. I dont feed anything till I get roots for that very reason, too touchy to mess with imho for me anyway.
Pure water from tap until I see yellowing/consumption of self then roots soon after.
If I was going to clone in soil again id use light warrior with nothing but pure water.
I seen some mag def pop up as they root sometimes like in my gg4 so i WILL do a light foliar cal mag feeding if it gets too bad.
your first round looks good to me looks like they will have decent roots within a week and start growing again soon. Burned one looks like it popped few roots and they burned themselves gorging lol.
I just take my cuts well in advance of needing them, less frustration for me if i dont put my own time limit on them.
Pure water from tap until I see yellowing/consumption of self then roots soon after.
If I was going to clone in soil again id use light warrior with nothing but pure water.
I seen some mag def pop up as they root sometimes like in my gg4 so i WILL do a light foliar cal mag feeding if it gets too bad.
your first round looks good to me looks like they will have decent roots within a week and start growing again soon. Burned one looks like it popped few roots and they burned themselves gorging lol.
I just take my cuts well in advance of needing them, less frustration for me if i dont put my own time limit on them.
tropicanna
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I'm definitely gaining lots of insight with all these suggestions and feedback. I stuck a temp/humidity meter inside one of the domes and the reading is 84 Fahrenheit and 56% humidity. Someone mentioned the light was too close or too much, so i'm going to separate it a few inches from the top of the dome help lower that temperature a bit. I'm pretty sure its much cooler than that inside the pots but I also read somewhere that ideally the soil temperature should be warmer than the ambient inside the dome.
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I finally found an easy, low maintenance method to get cuttings to root.......
I just put cuttings into a bottle of water, and sit them under a veg fluoro, sometimes they will grow roots and sometimes not, if they don't they will usually at least get little calluses on the base, and once that happens they almost always grow once put into soil.
I don't use any domes or even spray them with water.
I just put cuttings into a bottle of water, and sit them under a veg fluoro, sometimes they will grow roots and sometimes not, if they don't they will usually at least get little calluses on the base, and once that happens they almost always grow once put into soil.
I don't use any domes or even spray them with water.
Herbal Wisdom
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Cup with water and air stone in there works wonders for me
