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My experience as a commercial grower in the recreational scene
- Thread starter JumpKickYerGunt
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What we have today is mercantilism , not true free market capitalism. If true capitalism were allowed there would be no laws regarding cannabis or its sale.No one would be in jail for its use or have their assets seized.
Today you have a regulation aspect in which politicians get their money for not using their military/police upon people just making a living or fulfilling a need. If the politicians don't get paid for your licensing and registration ,then you get raided. That is real organized crime folks.
The industry, or any industry, would either benefit society and get paid for their hard work or die out in the case of unadulterated capitalism.
If you happen to be part of the aristocracy today ,Like banks or auto makers, you get bailed out instead of making way side for new companies and better products that a society demands and finds useful. The system today is a detriment to society and does not benefit anyone except the business that was supposed to fail and the politicians who have the monopoly on violence.
Capitalism Is Anarchy = Anarcho-Capitalism
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Peter Schiff at Occupy Wall Street: Full Version, Almost 2 Hours
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We all know on a personal level what is good or bad for ourselves, saying you need someone to do the deciding for you is a moral hazard.
I'm not sure of any adult who would leave the decision making of what house they need or car or type of medical treatment they need to the mob. Why is it left to the mob in D.C. ?
We even wonder why it takes so much time and money to change the law regarding cannabis , well its because they are not satisfied with their cut of the money ,their cut will get bigger when established companies give it a go. Then we will gripe about how its not fair and capitalism is evil.
The answer is simple, get rid of the useless middle man instead of begging for their acceptance. Then vote for the best service and goods with your money.
What you will end up with is the best products and services for the least amount of money possible. All the while making sure nothing is wasted and the planet isn't raped for making stuff no one wants or needs. You will waste less money ,and have more left over for true charity if your heart desires it or you can afford it.
Today you have a regulation aspect in which politicians get their money for not using their military/police upon people just making a living or fulfilling a need. If the politicians don't get paid for your licensing and registration ,then you get raided. That is real organized crime folks.
The industry, or any industry, would either benefit society and get paid for their hard work or die out in the case of unadulterated capitalism.
If you happen to be part of the aristocracy today ,Like banks or auto makers, you get bailed out instead of making way side for new companies and better products that a society demands and finds useful. The system today is a detriment to society and does not benefit anyone except the business that was supposed to fail and the politicians who have the monopoly on violence.
Capitalism Is Anarchy = Anarcho-Capitalism
[YOUTUBEIF]_rjhJcUBRKg[/YOUTUBEIF]
Peter Schiff at Occupy Wall Street: Full Version, Almost 2 Hours
[YOUTUBEIF]ahMGoB01qiA[/YOUTUBEIF]
We all know on a personal level what is good or bad for ourselves, saying you need someone to do the deciding for you is a moral hazard.
I'm not sure of any adult who would leave the decision making of what house they need or car or type of medical treatment they need to the mob. Why is it left to the mob in D.C. ?
We even wonder why it takes so much time and money to change the law regarding cannabis , well its because they are not satisfied with their cut of the money ,their cut will get bigger when established companies give it a go. Then we will gripe about how its not fair and capitalism is evil.
The answer is simple, get rid of the useless middle man instead of begging for their acceptance. Then vote for the best service and goods with your money.
What you will end up with is the best products and services for the least amount of money possible. All the while making sure nothing is wasted and the planet isn't raped for making stuff no one wants or needs. You will waste less money ,and have more left over for true charity if your heart desires it or you can afford it.
Crocodile OG
Member
Well said.
There is no law but that of supply and demand.
Theoretically one could place an advertisement for services to poke someone in the eye with a stick then f★★k their wife for a million dollars. Obviously no one wants or needs this service so it would fail.
Conversely men and women make and lose fortunes and freedoms for dead flowers and powders every day and no amount of "law enforcement" will or can stop them.
Capitalism is fine. The belief that one should be rewarded proportionally to their effort and contribution and taxed equally.
The problem is corporatism/fascism where a company can make obscene profits and pay relatively low/no tax and be held to higher esteem than the government that supposedly runs the country.
Why do companies like Apple and Starbucks pay so little tax? Because they donate money to political parties and use the leverage as a kind of de facto corruption.
Well the only reason people owe a tax is for the spending habbits of a middle man. Get rid of the middle man and there will be no tax advantages for anyone. Because there will be no tax.
Only direct charity to people who need it. If people believe taxes are charity. The only companies that would survive are those that society needs and wants.Profits encourage and enable people to give back to society.
Other than that I agree with your statement completely.
Only direct charity to people who need it. If people believe taxes are charity. The only companies that would survive are those that society needs and wants.Profits encourage and enable people to give back to society.
Other than that I agree with your statement completely.
Benjamin Check
Member
Photosynthesis
Member
Unfortunately this is all to common here.
The cream always rises to the top.
There are many other organized crime groups involved in the industry here. Not just the Russians.
Although they seem very prevalent. If most people knew how, and what was done to the crops they would not buy it. Twice the price as medical, with half the benefits.
The cream always rises to the top.
There are many other organized crime groups involved in the industry here. Not just the Russians.
Although they seem very prevalent. If most people knew how, and what was done to the crops they would not buy it. Twice the price as medical, with half the benefits.
lightly fed organic herb is always cheaper to produce than over nuted mineral herb.
obviously, one uses a lot of nutrients (which cost money, again, obviously), and the organic uses very little.
having said that, and having seen you have not considered this fact, pretty much makes what you wrote wrong.
outdoor, lightly fed organic = cheapest way to produce. end of story.
basically, you are in no position to be fronting and trying to teach anyone any 101 classes, unless it is in hubris that is.
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JumpKickYerGunt
Member
I'm glad I got you guys talking about this. First we will all know, then the consumer will discover these things soon enough. I call for a federation of growers who adhere to the highest of standards. It's time to start an alliance and when you are apart of this alliance you will be recognized by the consumer as a grower/dispensary/collective who guarantees that their product is grown organically, cared for start to finish (including curing standards), and that the grow operation is sensitive and active in reducing environmental impact.
sounds good in theory, but i'm not sure the industry has reached that point yet.
Crocodile OG
Member
Whats needed are real standards and regulation.
THC content, pesticide residue tests, organic certification that sort of thing.
Unfortunately many consumers dont care about what goes into their regular products let alone cannabis.
THC content, pesticide residue tests, organic certification that sort of thing.
Unfortunately many consumers dont care about what goes into their regular products let alone cannabis.
ROFL!
check the appologets, starting to explain they been doin it for 2,5 years and they lack the accesss to the elites, but everything else is dialed in... what a bummer none willing to share the "elites" or proper botanical knowledge with the sharky sharks
blessss
ps.: wait for the so called insiders holding big $ designing the "rules n regulations"...
check the appologets, starting to explain they been doin it for 2,5 years and they lack the accesss to the elites, but everything else is dialed in... what a bummer none willing to share the "elites" or proper botanical knowledge with the sharky sharks
blessss
ps.: wait for the so called insiders holding big $ designing the "rules n regulations"...
Meh. I think it's important to remember a few things.
First off, a legalized retail market will not behave the same way as an illegal or quasi-legal market. Not at all. We don't really know what to expect over time.
Next, it's important to remember that this is all new. Legal retail growing only began Jan 1, so they're all scrambling to put out product as fast as possible to cover anticipated demand. The market is still supply constrained, but it won't be for long.
Retailers are planning on an enormous increase in demand. If that demand is less than anticipated, there will be a huge shakeout. There are limits to this market once established, what I see as a near vertical demand curve- no matter how much is produced, there's only so much demand. When they start bumping up against that, prices will tumble & retailers will need to distinguish themselves in other ways to survive. If Joe's average priced weed is considerably better than Larry's at the same price, Larry will need to up his game to compete, one way or the other.
The whole thing will change again in October, when the requirement that shops grow 70% of what they sell falls away, which may well have profound consequences. Some shops may not grow at all but rather sell weed they purchase wholesale from growers & processors, tailoring selection to clientele. It'll be like going to the liquor store where even the best is mass produced.
In short, I don't expect the current rush to just get stuff on the shelves to be indicative of what will happen over time. Producers who think that it will are likely to be taking the high hard one before it's settled out. Growers who can produce better product at a given price point will win out.
First off, a legalized retail market will not behave the same way as an illegal or quasi-legal market. Not at all. We don't really know what to expect over time.
Next, it's important to remember that this is all new. Legal retail growing only began Jan 1, so they're all scrambling to put out product as fast as possible to cover anticipated demand. The market is still supply constrained, but it won't be for long.
Retailers are planning on an enormous increase in demand. If that demand is less than anticipated, there will be a huge shakeout. There are limits to this market once established, what I see as a near vertical demand curve- no matter how much is produced, there's only so much demand. When they start bumping up against that, prices will tumble & retailers will need to distinguish themselves in other ways to survive. If Joe's average priced weed is considerably better than Larry's at the same price, Larry will need to up his game to compete, one way or the other.
The whole thing will change again in October, when the requirement that shops grow 70% of what they sell falls away, which may well have profound consequences. Some shops may not grow at all but rather sell weed they purchase wholesale from growers & processors, tailoring selection to clientele. It'll be like going to the liquor store where even the best is mass produced.
In short, I don't expect the current rush to just get stuff on the shelves to be indicative of what will happen over time. Producers who think that it will are likely to be taking the high hard one before it's settled out. Growers who can produce better product at a given price point will win out.
that's the united states for ya.. everyone is so surprised when anything presenting itself as a trustworthy institution is found to be corrupt..
the next thing that happens is some people will speak out to isolate the incident.. oh, you know.. it was those russians...
then, everybody goes back to feeling disappointed but comfortable with the institution>
me, i say, keep an eye on those folks in step two. they're always the same folks, or if they're not, they're always the same techniques. and remember, the medicine wagon (or the collusion they represent in the analogy) always has an accomplice (or ten) in the crowd.
the next thing that happens is some people will speak out to isolate the incident.. oh, you know.. it was those russians...
then, everybody goes back to feeling disappointed but comfortable with the institution>
me, i say, keep an eye on those folks in step two. they're always the same folks, or if they're not, they're always the same techniques. and remember, the medicine wagon (or the collusion they represent in the analogy) always has an accomplice (or ten) in the crowd.
Yipes.
Such appallingly ignorant posts about capitalism.
Capitalism is neither good or bad. It's is simply someone risking their money to make a return on investment.
Everything you see, taste or touch was produced by this method.
Some work hard to apply knowledge and good practices to produce the best product they can to satisfy demand and earn repeat business creating a 'name brand'.
Some don't and will sell only once to the unlucky or ill informed.
It's a hard way to do business and most will fail.
All those regulations didn't keep Firestone from making tires that blowout at 70 mph. or GM from selling cars that switch off and rendering the power steering useless and regulations won't eliminate schwag weed either.
Fast buck artists don't give a shit about regulation.
Think about that while you're having a Margarita mixed with a no-name tequila that has cheap grain alcohol added to stretch the fermented product out. Nobody complains that the cheap stuff doesn't taste like 1800 because it's not supposed to.
That is why the Cuervo 1800 Margarita costs more. Now, If they put rotgut in an 1800 bottle and try to pass it off for the real thing, then you don't have capitalism anymore.
There's capitalism, and there is fraud. It pays to know the difference.
Such appallingly ignorant posts about capitalism.
Capitalism is neither good or bad. It's is simply someone risking their money to make a return on investment.
Everything you see, taste or touch was produced by this method.
Some work hard to apply knowledge and good practices to produce the best product they can to satisfy demand and earn repeat business creating a 'name brand'.
Some don't and will sell only once to the unlucky or ill informed.
It's a hard way to do business and most will fail.
All those regulations didn't keep Firestone from making tires that blowout at 70 mph. or GM from selling cars that switch off and rendering the power steering useless and regulations won't eliminate schwag weed either.
Fast buck artists don't give a shit about regulation.
Think about that while you're having a Margarita mixed with a no-name tequila that has cheap grain alcohol added to stretch the fermented product out. Nobody complains that the cheap stuff doesn't taste like 1800 because it's not supposed to.
That is why the Cuervo 1800 Margarita costs more. Now, If they put rotgut in an 1800 bottle and try to pass it off for the real thing, then you don't have capitalism anymore.
There's capitalism, and there is fraud. It pays to know the difference.
I know how that usually goes
first we let those come in, then those act like mafia, and we have a hard time getting rid of them... making huge profits off our asses
I might be wrong though
