my closet-my first time grow

[greendream69]

Ok, so im new to icmag i just got my account verified after waiting over a week, i have been going over the site for days and im overwhelmed with all the amazing growers that post here. and hoping hoping to become one as well. my closet is at my moms house were im only ably to visit during weekends and some times during weekdays. my mom doesent mind me growing as long as i have good grades. so i have to trust my mom to water my plants when im not around


Ok so my closet is about a foot and a half wide and about 6 feet long, right now i have my first plant from bag seed that i think is big bud. shes almost 2 feet tall i started flowering her on Monday shes under 1 40w 2700k, 3 23w 2700k and 1 23w 5700k cfl's (making 132w). shes in a mini garbage can thing with miracle grow all purpose potting soil. i just fed her like a little handful of some super phosphate rock thats 0-20-0 i just threw and handful in because i did int know how to dose it because it label only gave doses for big lawns and gardens but it also said 2 pounds per every 100 square feet heres a link of what i bought

im thinking of either using sugar, molasses or bone meal after, i want to try to grow as organic as i can. i just checked on her today and she hasent started any buds yet but there are bud site all over her. how much do u think il yield
of her? im think at least a half

i also have 3 sprouts of some Humbolt county chronic bagseed (from what my dealer said who is pretty reliable and if its not a Humbolt county hybrid its was still good smoke) and 1 good Indica sprout (from what i could tell from the smoke) from bagseed. i also have 2 attempts at clones which did int end up 2 well, all i did was take a cutting and put it in distilled water for about a minute then smutherd it in root tone powder and then put it in potting soil in a cup and then sprayed it with water for a few days straight but i dont think they took root (i need help in getting a good technece for rooting clones). and all that is in a round plywood box thing with white foam sides and a little mini fan thing blowin on them there under 4 23w 5700k daylight cfls and on a 24/0 lighting cycle.

so theres my little garden what do u guys think? il try an update with pictures
weekly. and try posting whenever i have a chance. the only pictures i have right now are a week old back when my closet was arranged for vegying and i had my sprouting and cloning box in there

enjoy

 

[greendream69]

i cant post any pic because it keeps sayin: 1. Your Post contains one or more URLs, please remove them before submitting your message again.

can someone help me?

 

[Doug_Marsh]

you have to make 2 post to use images in your threads I am also new and just learned this!

 

[green_grow]

the way i read this, you have 132 watts covering 9 sq. ft. of floor space ; thats awfully low. you want to have 50watts per sq. ft. or more. you might want to section off that closet or get more light.
"smothering" a cutting with rooting hormone isnt the idea; you just want to dip the cut end of it in the powder. i found cloning tricky at first, but soon you will find out what works . there are LOTS of threads here on cloning .

welcome to icmag , and keep those grades up; you'll be glad you did.

 

[greendream69]

you have to make 2 post to use images in your threads I am also new and just learned this!

k thanks heres the pics

 

[FRANKENBLUNT420]

first off, let me just say that (and i want you to tell her this) your mother is an amazing woman and the example she leads needs to be followed by all!!!!

your closet sounds very impressive and you seem to be on your way, but for next time, lose the miracle grow (are you using the organic miracle gro? you didnt specify). although you may have to rely on HOMEDEPOT for your supplies (as most do) you need to find out what gardening stores around you carry what specific products. of course this is all in reference to the lawn nutes you are using. you will always be setting yourself up for problems with regards to measuring and such.
MOLASSES: this stuff is used to feed the microbes (microbeasties) that help to break down nutes inyour soil to make them easier for the plant to uptake them, although molasses has cal/mag, its not a good/reliable source for nutrients, its an additive, not so much of a nute. SUGAR: dont go there.

thank god you just put a handful of the rock phosphate rated at 0-20-0, adding bone meal would add another 0-12-0 (if im not mistaken) so now your looking at 0-32-0 and you havent even begun to really flower yet. definite path to nute burn and i mean to a crisp!!!

CLONES: well what worked for me was to skin the outside of the bottom of the stem of your clone (like you would skin a carrot, but not that rough!!!), about an inch from the bottom should be more than enough. you want to get that tough "plant skin" off to make more contact with your rootone or clonign agent. then you cut the stem in half (the same one inch length). you can take a brush (nail polish brush dry of course, frill the end of a qtip, small/fine paint brush) and use it to "shake" the cloning agent onto the part you just prepped. don't put the plant directly into the container or onto the brush, you dont want to cross contaminate anything

if your flowering, youve gotta get some HPS in there somewhere, its the spectrum the plant needs to make those trichomes we need and love so much (dont let all your hard work go to waste!!!). as you get more into it, the more details the better. i know your new, i have been there and understand you need to get your feet wet, and a lota the stuff you learn on here is also applicable to what you are doing in school (science wise) so the school thing is truly to your benefit.

i will check back later on , and see if youve got any pics up. i dont know if you can give any rep at such an early point , but if you can, its also another way to get a message to someone that you may want to get help from.

here are some names i think you can go with on here as far as examples you may want to emulate: "mynamestitch"- for all your sick plant info. he is damned good at what he does and knows what it means to "get back ASAP"--->http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=45517 ; "blazeoneup"- far as i am concerned, a hydro and soil (as of recent) guru. check his soil grow(s) out here--->http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=59380&highlight=blazeoneup

go check these guys out and get that info in your head lil bruh, your off to a damn fine start, no need to get things all botched up now if "we" can prevent it.

 

[greendream69]

thanks for the reply FRANKENBLUNT420 i really appreciate it.

i really do have an amazing mom thanks (and il tell her u said that)

no the the soil that i have is not organic its just the basic all purpose miracle grow, and i know il never buy it again. yea for the most part i pretty much have to rely on homedepot but i have visited a couple of gardening stores to see what they carry and i don't know if it was the season but they didint have much to offer but im going to keep looking around.

with the molasses suger and bone meal those were just things i was thinking about for ways to go for down the road. theres no way i would feed all that to my plant right now

thanks for the cloning method, im definitely going to give it a shot, so i do i need to keep a cover around it to keep the moister in, and is spraying the leaves with water needed? also what kind of lighting shood i give it

and about the hps iv read alot about cfls and only heard great things about them, do really think im going to need a hps?

thanks for the examples il def be keeping track of there threads, iv already been keepin g track of a couple of ppl. on this forum and other forums for a while now

 

[iriebowl]

you dont really need a hps to flower ive done it with cfls and they came out fine, hps just gives that extra "umph" overall. i just ordered me two 150hps off amazon for $17 a piece(free shipping in the upper 48 states)

i use homedepot as my source also so next time if your gonna use MG soil get the organic mix without slow release ferts, then mix in perlite and vermiculite. im using that and very happy with the results im getting. soil ph came out around 6.3-6.9.

for clones you can use a mere 15-20watt flouro/cfl for lighting and keep the dome on them. since they dont have roots yet the humidity feeds the plants through the leaves. be sure to give them a bit of fresh air everyday so the air doesnt get to stale. i had 50% survival using no dome and just foliar feeding in peat pellets. roots started coming through the net at 12 days when i transplanted.

ill be watching this thread

PS
my mom is like your mom cool to the core. so do you burn with your ma?? or shes just cool with it?? either way be sure to tell her you love her, cause shes taking a risk for you to grow in her house.

 

[greendream69]

thanks iriebowl

well iv smoked with my mom once well kinda she only took a hit after she bought me my first piece (a shurlock corn pipe that now sits with my stash for sentimental values). but no she doesent smoke with she buys me pieces and she shel run out and buy me a pack of blunts when i need them. and beer every once in a while....but yea i ALWAYS tell her i love her.

about those 2 hps light u bought is that just the bulb or is that the whole setup with the ballest and everything. also what kinda of precautions do i got to take with hps? dont i need a carbon filter and better circulation in my room......?

do u guy think mg organic is better then petes?

i posted pic!!! are they not working cause i can see them?

 

[FRANKENBLUNT420]

hey greendreams, just checkin in on ya,

man you have the makings of a fine family. i think that the understanding of a thing is the most important aspect of why we enjoy the things we do. no B.S. you ave an awesome mom. not because she lets you "do what you wanna do" but because you gus have that understanding (sorrry i keep harping on it, but its so damned important for parents not to simply be afraid of things, jsut because, "someone else" says so)

but like irie said, you dont NEED hps BUT, with cannabis, that umph is too important to let go!! lol

as far as the cloning goes, i just did that and put them str8 into my soil, in cups and kept the soil moist all of the time. you let it dry a lil, but not too much, a lil foliar spraying is cool, but not all that necessary. it may e, but it wored out for me that i didnt need to foliar spray all that much. (will pm you with the results and a lil secret later on **wink wink**). the cfl's of MH are perfect for clones. i am planning on building larger closets so i will be using Metal Halides for veg/clones and HPS for flower

as far as soil goes, IMO i dont think anyone soil is better than the other, it all depends on what you want. if youve looked at blazeoneups thread youll see he uses MJORGANIC/PROMIX/PERILITE/LIME, and some other necessary soil amendments and all he uses is water (no pH'ing, just plain water, thats the coolest part about it!!!) my soil mix is in different parts. the base is fox farm light warrior/perilite/wormcastings/promix bx/homedepot blood and bone meal/espoma garden lime (this is what i use to veg) i just add the foxfarm ocean forest for flowering. so needless to say i believe in reusing my soil. some say yes some say no, but i have yet to be let down, so for me its reuse, just "reup" on the amendments after say the third reuse and your good.

you seem to be having the same trouble many growers all over are having, hell ive had the same probs, finding the right nute/soil mixes, using what you have on hand. but there are so many options out there that you should have no problems. not every homedepot has everything else. (i.e.- some people on here have said that they can get promixBX at homedepot,i went to the gardening section of mine and asked about it, they looked at me like i was speaking a different language) it just works like that some times, so dont get your mind stuck on wanting to use one type of thing,as long as the soil has what it needs in it, you will be fine, jsut try to stay away from the chem nutes as much as possible (i work in a hospital so iam kinda against that stuff, just my opininon)

i have to subscribe to this thread again , i will be watching this thread and seeiing how i cna help along the way. i am coming from the overgrow days, so i know what it was like to be a newb and get no real help. ill pm ya

 

[greendream69]

thanks FRANKENBLUNT, i really do have an amazing mom.

as far as the hps goes im already looking around for one for a good price. does anyone know if 1000bulbs.com has good hps bulbs(if not how should i aproach buying one?) cause im thinking of making an order soon im prob gana get a couple of 105w full spectrum cfl's.

i made a little bit of a mistake when i was changing the setup up were i had my seedling i put a white shirt on the top and covered the entire thing cause i wana to take a pic and me being high off my ass i left it that way all night so i fried all my seedlings. i moisented the hell out of them them but idk if they will make it, there still completely just dried to a crisp so i guess the humidity got to it before the heat did. if those seedlings don't make it i don't think im going to plant any more until im pretty much done flowering my 1st girl, because i don't have anywhere to veggy while im flowering in my closet.

anyway i fed her a little bit more phoshate rock today along with some little bead featerlizer that was like 18-7-4 or something like that. im planing on buying some blood meal when i get back from a trip this weakend but until then shel just be getting water. she only a week into 12/12. when should i expect flowers? another couple of weeks or so?

o yea FRANKENBLUNT my pm system isint activated yet because i dont have enough post yet.

 

[FRIENDinDEED]

a.k.a. FRANKENBLUNT420

a.k.a. FRANKENBLUNT420

DAMN MAN , YOU FRIED 'EM!!! LOL

well these things happen i guess. i fell asleep on the bus this mornin all the way to the last stop. i was tired as it was, but i decided to blaze the last of a blunt i rolled at work last night, at he bus depot. . lord why did i do that, that damned thing put me into a coma!! lmao

well at least this gives you some time to make some improvements on your space and what not. i dont think you should bother with anything too crazy as far as nute levels, make sure you have a good ratio of nitrogen, not too high though, if homedepot is your only option then maybe you could use the MG organic and some peat based potting soil, perilite and a god portion of the blood meal for veg and you should be ok, look for the ESPOMA line at HD, they have a pretty good variety of amendments, an dont forget your garden lime!!

your preflowers should be about a week more or so, if they haven't come up already.

anywhoo, what i was tellin you in the pm was theat, hit me up or anything that i can, i went on to blazeoneup's thread and he seems to be outta commision fo rthe time being. there are other reputable people on here. "mynamestitch? would be good for all stage grow advice aswell. check out my threadsd and see if you like, i gotta get some updates for the NYCD thread soon anyway

 

[PHANTOM]

Hey GreenDream,

Like friend indeed said blazeoneup is offline due to a security threat (hope he sorts it) thre are many other threads you can go to for sound advice, try Stevegreen, Eddieshoestring or AlaskaGrows they are all very helpfull people with lots of good advice.

I would recommend HPS as I believe they bring a higher yield.


Getting started is the hardest part IMO your already half way there bro, good luck with your grow.

PEACE



PHANTOM.

 

[FRIENDinDEED]

DITTO

DITTO

Hey GreenDream,

Like friend indeed said blazeoneup is offline due to a security threat (hope he sorts it) thre are many other threads you can go to for sound advice, try Stevegreen, Eddieshoestring or AlaskaGrows they are all very helpfull people with lots of good advice. I would recommend HPS as I believe they bring a higher yield.
PHANTOM.

hey greendreams, hope everything is going well for you after the recent mishap but after reading what PAHNTOM has replied, i wanted to chime in, you may not need a HPS but it would definitely help with the orange/red spectrum that the plants need to help with energy=bud production.

and i think i will try some of those names myself for some good sound advice. lord knows you never die knowing everything!!

 

[greendream69]

hey everyone ,

i havent had a chance to stop by my moms and check on my plants but i think im going to stop by there tomaro. and hopefully i could update then with pics on my hole setup. about the soil im prob gana go with the mg organic with blood and bone meal and chunk perlite and everything else, im learning how shity the reg all purpose mg is evertime im in my garden. And actually the super phosphate rock i have now is made by espoma here's a link to it: http://www.acehardwareoutlet.com/(3fqs2m553b2rjmizlftbuvjr)/ProductDetails.aspx?SKU=7135122

iv been reading and looking over things about hps lights. can anyone give me an idea of how much a 400w hps light and set up would set me back? i have a old wardrobe thing thats been sitting in my room for a while now just collecting dust and i think it would make for a perfect bloom box that i could mount a hps in. and then i would either have that in my closet and vegy in the rest of the empty space or i would put it by my window and have the exhaust go out of the window. hopefully il be able to get pics and measurements tomaro so u guys kno what im talking about.

thanks for the reply everyone, and that sucks about blaze iv been reading through his threads for the last few night just admiring what hes accomplished...its amazing but im def gana take a look at those new guys o and iv already read through snitches thread another amazing grower with a long background

 

[FRIENDinDEED]

hey everyone ,
i havent had a chance to stop by my moms and check on my plants but i think im going to stop by there tomaro. and hopefully i could update then with pics on my hole setup. about the soil im prob gana go with the mg organic with blood and bone meal and chunk perlite and everything else, im learning how shity the reg all purpose mg is evertime im in my garden. And actually the super phosphate rock i have now is made by espoma here's a link to it: http://www.acehardwareoutlet.com/(3fqs2m553b2rjmizlftbuvjr)/ProductDetails.aspx?SKU=7135122

i found out about espoma a while ago while looking for more organic nutes, and from what i have seen of other gardening stores around my area, HD only carries about 1/10 of the products espoma has. if you found a place that supplies those and their varieties then stick with 'em

iv been reading and looking over things about hps lights. can anyone give me an idea of how much a 400w hps light and set up would set me back? i have a old wardrobe thing thats been sitting in my room for a while now just collecting dust and i think it would make for a perfect bloom box that i could mount a hps in. and then i would either have that in my closet and vegy in the rest of the empty space or i would put it by my window and have the exhaust go out of the window. hopefully il be able to get pics and measurements tomaro so u guys kno what im talking about.

do you have a hydro shop around you at all, if not ,now would be a good time to search for one. i guess i am one of those old schoolers about ordiering things online, i just dont trust it, certain things i will but other things never butif you shopp arond and find a good deal then go for it. and let me advise you now BE A SMART/CMEMORY SHOPPER!!! just go and get what you need, dont be baited into buying the next best thing. and look for cheaper alternatives (i.e.- last time i went to the hydro store, the hydro farm produtcs were all over the place hanging from the ceiling, but the other no name stuff, that are/do the exact samething, he had hanging but off to the side out of the way) so LOOK GOOD AND LOOK HARD!! DONT BREAK YOUR POCKETS FRIST TIME OUT! last i checked they had a ballast kit for about $169 or you could DIY if you ahve and are handy with tools at all, will save a penny or two. only thing i would tell you too spend you loot on is the electrical, its tricky first time out, but read up about it, adn the more you learn , the more youll be albe to do. this is my lil hoem made doohicky for my veg area, everything is kinda under contruction but you can get the jist (2 x 23 CFL's/ 2 x 70HPS)


here are my DIY carbon scrubbber(homedepot parts), 400HPS reflector with cool tube(homedepot/micheals arts and crafts store for parts) hydrofarm blower(thinks its 140+ or 180+ cfm), in a closetmaide(homedepot $109: 4x2x6)

thanks for the reply everyone, and that sucks about blaze iv been reading through his threads for the last few night just admiring what hes accomplished...its amazing but im def gana take a look at those new guys o and iv already read through snitches thread another amazing grower with a long background

yessir you are truly on teh right path now lil brother, do some more research and get things str8 before you go buying/building anything, there are many traps you can fall into and many of us here will do our best to keep you out of them

lil shot of all the nutes i need

and i barely use the super tea!!!! cause everything is in the soil already

do your homework man and you wil be there in no time. . . .
just a lil encouragement

 

[greendream69]

alright time for a lil update, i got some good news and some bad news:

bad news comes first- no pics yet cause i dont really got a cam all i got is my old phone which i took a bunch of pics with but i cant find my adapter so cant upload them yet.

good news: my girl has a fishily showed signs of flowers. pistels are poping out everywere the main cola is starting to form along with a bunch of side shoot cola's, i need to adjust my lighting and i will add a lil more cause its starting to grow into the lights again.

well i live in a pretty BIG city so i don't think il have troubles finding a hydro shop i haven t started to look yet but i have thought about it (il do a search after this and see if theres one close by). and my ideas about the bloom box and and everything is in the futer trust me i wont be building anything til iv done my fair share of homework.

and thanks frankenblunt for all the info

 

[iriebowl]

oops i lost this thread but i found it again
heres a link to a 150hps its $23.75 not quite the same as mine but still a great deal if you take advantage of the free shipping. cant wait to see some pics of the grow.

i dont mind online ordering as long as its not obvious what im gonna do with it (ie: Sun System Harvest Pro 400w HPS compared to a couple 150hps flood lights) im a DIYer and always will be. cheaper and you learn some new things while your at it.



stay irie

 

[thomasyoung]

Very nice closet

 

[khaleel]

if your flowering, youve gotta get some HPS in there somewhere, its the spectrum the plant needs to make those trichomes we need and love so much (dont let all your hard work go to waste!!!).

greendream69: frankenblunt is a very knowledgeable grower, no doubt. just wanted to show you what floro's can do in a setup similar to your closet size. frankenblunt i'm not trolling my friend, but trust me there are some trichs. lol these are Super Ice, around week 8, veg'd under 200 watt floro, bloomed under four T5's:







no doubt hps will definitely give you more weight, but if circumstances such as temps and space don't allow it, floros and/or cfls can get the job done. best of luck!