My adventures with DJ Short Breeders Choice Mix 1 and 4 , Pheno Hunt, Living Soil Sip

[Nextofkin]

I’ve grown the Canadian BB and I’ve got a DJ short BB male I found in an old pack of BB I still keep around.
Both had their pros and cons.
The Canadian line seemed more stable to me.

 

[Happy Times]

Hi All! I would like to invite you all to follow along on my Dj Short pheno hunt, semi open pollination, all in a living soil! I’ll try to post some good pics and document this grow.

I’ll be growing out a 16 pack of each of the…

Breeders Choice Mix 1 - FL Floral Side “ Happy Pussy” x F13

Breeders Choice Mix 4 - XP Potent Productive side that my understanding is basically “ Blue Moonshine”

Around 2006 I grew a pack each of Blue Moonshine and F-13, That was one of the most memorable grows of all my grows over the years! My buddies still talk about it and I haven’t had anything ring my bell quite like it since!

I found the original blue moonshine 2006 to have a very enjoyable muscle relaxing effect that also seemed to be a creeper high that came in waves. Also seemed to enhance music! Hashy fruity with that DJS background is what I remember. My lady likes indica and this was her personal favorite of all time! She asked me to grow Dj short again as that was what I had when we first met!

I remember going to a small local snoop dog concert where I brought in a big joint of the moonshine, I was about 20ft from snoop on a raised balcony. I took in the biggest drag that I could and blew it straight at snoop! He stopped and said “ eeeww wee eeeww wee sticky icky in da house!

The F-13 2006, there were several great phenos, and in this I found what I still believe to be the best plant I’ve ever grown, my goat, the one that got away! It was an all green pheno with one main spear shaped bud. The high was super electric with visual tracers and up up up and away! The flavor was kinda like a spicy church incense that was both pleasant and decadent to me. If I could pick one plant to have kept all this time this would be it! I loved the f-13 but I don’t expect to find this pheno here but I still hope to find something really good however it comes!

My selection criteria is for both potency and how it makes me feel, at the top of the list. When I say potency, I can look past stuff that has a bland type of high potency or has low tolerance or short duration. I’m my mind I wrap all these factors up into the catagory of potency, I want something that cuts right through other smoke, potent, long duration, low tolerance, feel great etc.,, I personally don’t put much weight on flavor, as long as it’s enjoyable and has a great high that’s what I’m interested in. Yield is also not much of a concern to me as long as it’s practical enough to grow!

Today starts germination using the Mel Frank method of paper towels stuck on the side of a bowl! Here we go…

I would like to invite some friends to follow! @dubi @Miraculous Meds @Hasch @FeelHaze @Maria Sanchez @Koondense @Cactus Squatter @goingrey @Hmong @El Timbo @weedsmoker420 @early_hominid @MrHamilton @Tangwena @Stoneroller

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Good luck with the hunt and appreciate your documenting and sharing!

Did that old holy grail F13 not clone easily? A buddy had one once that had like 0 side branching. I wanted to bug him for a cut but there was nothing there to cut off lol

 

[tjmccoy]

Good luck with the hunt and appreciate your documenting and sharing!

Did that old holy grail F13 not clone easily? A buddy had one once that had like 0 side branching. I wanted to bug him for a cut but there was nothing there to cut off lol

Thank you for the well wishes! I didn’t have the foresight then to clone it, I pollinated a branch and that was it. I kept them going a few generations and crossed to a Johnny blaze, I tried to pop these seeds not long ago but poor storage couldn’t get even one to pop out of hundreds. Ohh well hopefully I will find something in these!

Ohh and yes this one had almost no side branching just one spear shaped cola completely coated in resin, a sleeper that I had no idea it would be the one! A couple other ones had more color and foxtail structure these were really good too!

 

[SunnyListon]

You gotta bend them down to get a clone. Did like Flo and Blueberry much more, than Johnny Blaze. Johnny is too racy for me. Flo is real thing and Blueberry too. The old stuff, ya know

 

[Dirt Life]

Hey, I'll follow along! I grew the BCM #1, and found a very nice berry colorful and resin-y male and used him for some crosses. I had great results from pairing the BCM with a great Haze/Skunk I kept for over a decade. I hope you don't mind me posting two pics...

BCM #1 male - edit: I'm having problems with my albums, so, here's the best pic that will actually load.. 🫤

and here's the Hz/Sk/BCM1 -

And if I could give any advice on the BCM1 crosses is that the crosses will be incredibly BCM dominant. I actually did a BX away from the BCM on one of my crosses just to (hopefully) get a little more mixing... I ordered and have tried to germinate several of MM's gear (Blue star), but, unfortunately I haven't been able to get any to crack.. still have a bunch though.

Good luck to you @tjmccoy, and I look forward to seeing things in the near future.

 

[tjmccoy]

@Dirt Life So cool Thanks for posting your experience with bc1! I’m curious about any information or experiences with these! Post away! Awesome

Did you grow out all 16? Any keeper fems? Good to know your male is dominate I wouldn’t have expected that. How does it smoke/feel for you? That plant pictured looks very f-13 to me

Thanks for following!

 

[tjmccoy]

You gotta bend them down to get a clone. Did like Flo and Blueberry much more, than Johnny Blaze. Johnny is too racy for me. Flo is real thing and Blueberry too. The old stuff, ya know

Agreed!

 

[tjmccoy]

I wanted to post up an awesome germination report but….

Well germination not going as planned! I hope I don’t end up with egg on my face here !

It’s been one week now…

Got 13 of 16 of the BC4 up and already open and green, 3 seeds not still in towel

Getting zero germination on the BC1 same exact method for both, looks like some cracked then stalled idk super frustrating! I’m betting the BC1 are quite a bit older? Maybe 2018 6 plus years?

What do you guys think? Hang in there with the paper towel, try to put in media or trash them?

BC1 not germinating for me

13 BC4 are up

Had a mishap today, reminded to check your grow, playing with water and power can be dangerous! So I flushed out the reservoir and I thought I unplugged the aquarium heater but I got the cords mixed up, anyway it burned a whole in the bottom of the res!

BC4 germination

This is the method I used, been having trouble germination directly into media so I tried paper towels again this time, I followed instructions from Mel frank on this time. The towel is stuck to the side of a bowl with the bottom in the water to wick and not dry out. I feel like maybe still kept them too wet. I used to get 100% direct in soil now can’t seem to get that to save my life! I’m probably over thinking it idk

 

[Limeygreen]

Try gently cracking opening up the shells on the bc1, for 6 years old they should still be good I would think.

 

[SunnyListon]

Dont give up on them! At the moment, that you think: "This seed will not make it" put it into a cup of worm castings, not too wet! Had once a 30 - 40 year old seed, that came up after two months in the wormcastings, after the paper towel did not work.
But whatever you do, dont do it too wet! Then mold will come. Change your water daily, take good water and choose a good ph.
It will sprout. 6 plus years is nothing of age for a seed.

 

[tjmccoy]

Update…

Well I apologize this isn’t turning quite into the pheno hunt I planned but it is what it is! I got zero germination on the BC1 but I feel at fault, I think too wet, tinkering too much, I will try to improve a more sterilized and consistent approach next time. I will try to locate BC1 and try again next time!

Germination on BC4 was 13, of those 10 mostly normal and 3 stunted ones that will probably be culled.

More than half of the 10 have all dark purple stems

Here’s the 3 stunted ones

To replace the BC1, I’m trying some of my own homemade seed that I feel might have the most potential. This is Ace Killer A5 Haze x (Thai Stick x Malawi) or (Og18 x Malawi) mixed pollen! the seed mom was A5 haze dominant and the dad early flowering Thai dominant. The KA5H seed mom was a really good one!

I plan to pollinate each of the BC4, one branch with a mix of frozen pollen I have saved that’s Malawi male pure from 2 different males, Thai x Malawi, Og x Malawi and with this KA5HX pollen all mixed up

Another branch of each plant pure BC4 x BC4, and freeze some bc4 pollen

Since I’m just making seeds for myself having a very mixed and diverse line of seeds to sort through later really excites me!

Have a great week!

 

[tjmccoy]

I got the 10 nice BC4 up potted in fresh soil that I dug out of the bed, I dug a hole next to the center to leave it mostly in tact and filled the whole with fresh potting soil. I’m seeing some light nutrient issues but hopefully the repot with fresh living soil will get them going. I’m going to try to leave the oats living as a mulch this time however I can highly suppress it my matting it down. I had a great plant health response following oats before. The worms seem to love living with oats and when it’s in there the soil feels soft and spongy. As long as it doesn’t compete with light. Oats are well known as a cover crop to loosen and soften soils, and increase micronutrients availability in the soil profile.

 

[tjmccoy]

I added a piece of 4” drain pipe to the center to just help it get more air, the fan sits on it blowing up, I put some fly tape in there to catch the occasional knats. I think this will help, things can get a little sluggish at transplant especially sometimes.

Breeders Choice #4 “XP” Potent Productive, seeing a range of different looking plants

KA5H x (Thai stick x Malawi) or (Og18 x Malawi) mixed male polen looking more consistent than I expected

 

[tjmccoy]

We are Getting out of seedling stage, big lights on, still in veg, everyone is potted up and they are now finally allowed to root out of the pots and into the bed. Maybe leaving in the pots will allow me to cut the males out with out disturbing the bed and cutting roots of the others, maybe also allow the rootzone at the base to breath better

The oats were matted down and pots dug in an inch or so, I’m just going to leave some of the living oats in place but highly suppressed!

 

[tjmccoy]

Amazing that in less that 12 hrs they are already sinking roots out of the pot and into the bed!

 

[tjmccoy]

Wow guys I’m really disappointed! So I started 33 seeds in total, zero bc1 germinated, 13 bc4 germinated, of the 13 seedlings 3 were culled due to being twisty stunted, of the 10 remaining I found 9 out of 10 to be male! Leaving me with only 1 viable female! Holy cow guys this is about the worst luck I’ve ever had!

I didn’t even go look at them for a couple days, just so disappointed, been pondering if I want to just kill it all off or keep going…

I guess I’m going to keep going and at least flower out my one female, I may also flower out the remaining males and store the pollen!

I do have some females showing of my KA5H x Malawi Thai that could except the bc4 pollen.

Sometimes I just have to accept things as fate I guess, looks like using the males are going to be my best chance to move the line forward. Maybe my one female will be a good one but who knows?!

We are still in veg on 14hrs, but all bc4 have shown some pre flowers

Here’s my one female!

I’m saving back 5 beautiful males, I cut the tops off to be more manageable! Who knows were this is going!

 

[SunnyListon]

This sucks big time.

Maybe take a clone and pollinate the girl with the males.
Hm, maybe ask for a refund. 1 Female is a joke for 2 packs, what did you pay for a pack?

 

[tjmccoy]

BCM4 The one female

The 5 BCM4 Males

 

[tjmccoy]

It does suck but I wouldn’t ask for refund unless I was 100 percent sure it wasn’t me. I think they were not super vigorous but I feel like they got too wet and got damping off and stalled. I am noticing less germination rates in my live soil that the plants grow in. I’m going to attemp a more sterile approach next time.

I am liking the idea of the 5 males that will be pollinating my a5xhaze cross, really stoked to grow out the offspring. I still think I’ll be able to accomplish the goal of at least getting djs genectics in my person seed line I’m working on though these males! I paid over $400 for the genetics that a lot for me, going to make the best of it. Have a good day!

This sucks big time.

Maybe take a clone and pollinate the girl with the males.
Hm, maybe ask for a refund. 1 Female is a joke for 2 packs, what did you pay for a pack?

I drew a little map for a friend don’t hold me to the accuracy here! I’ve just been calling the BCM4 “Moonshine” since Dj said in an interview that this is basically the Blue moonshine line, and that’s why I jumped on it

 

[El Timbo]

The male/female dice went against you big time! Did you consider taking a clone of the 1 female?